George Bush

[Miningman]

https://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/releases/heritage_and_steam/2005/1018_4141.shtml

 

George Bush and the Queen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaugcfHUrZs

George Bush and Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTvMEuGG1IQ

Thanks to Mike

 

 

 

[Convicted One]

Miningman

https://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/releases/heritage_and_steam/2005/1018_4141.shtml

 

George Bush and the Queen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaugcfHUrZs

George Bush and Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTvMEuGG1IQ

Thanks to Mike

 

 

 

 

 

What's with the weirded-out winshields?

[charlie hebdo]

George H. W> Bush was a fine man.

[Overmod]

Well, I guess we'll find out now what they do after they take the tarp off.

[Miningman]

From Mike

Whistlestops 

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/fd99848979b732b1b822345b80f051e22fb2cd14/c=59-0-587-397/local/-/media/2017/01/19/USATODAY/USATODAY/636204226382366839-Photo-22.jpg?width=1920&height=1440

 https://www.c-span.org/video/?32773-1/bush-campaign-train-tour

 

 

[Firelock76]

Anyone care for a look at young Mr. Bush's "charger" from World War Two?

Not just one, but five of them!

You know, I always wondered if it was slightly irresponsible for the US government to turn a bunch of kids loose with this kind of high-powered machinery, but on the other hand, what choice did they have?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiY1VzmFNeM

Rest in peace Lt. Bush.  So long "Airdale!"

[Miningman]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?32761-1/spirit-american-train-tour  fast forward half an hour

 

Whistle stop tour Michigan  

[Metro Red Line]

UP 4141 is confirmed for the funeral:

https://www.ketv.com/article/union-pacific-train-to-participate-in-bush-funeral-procession/25368917

[PJS1]

Firelock76

 You know, I always wondered if it was slightly irresponsible for the US government to turn a bunch of kids loose with this kind of high-powered machinery, but on the other hand, what choice did they have? 

According to World War II – A Statistical Survey, by John Ellis, approximately 45 percent of the U.S. military aircraft losses during the war were due to accidents. 

 

I served in Marine Corp Aviation from 1957 to 1961.  Some of the career men in my units had served in WWII.  I remember them telling me of the large number of aircraft destroyed due to accidents.

 

By 1944 many of the pilots and aircrew members, who were still in their teens, were sent into combat with less than 100 hours of flying experience. 

 

I was a full-time or part-time flight instructor for more than 20 years.  One hundred hours does not make an experienced pilot, especially for complex airplanes.  No wonder the accident rate was so high.

 

Although it is always easier to look in the rear-view mirror, more judicious use of airpower during the war might have lessened the need for so many inexperienced aircrews. 

[Firelock76]

PJS1, the US wasn't the only "offender,"  if you want to call it that.  If what I've read is true most of the Luftwaffe's Me109's were destroyed not in combat, but in take-off and landing accidents.

And "Semper Fi!"  to you!

[PJS1]

Firelock76

 PJS1, the US wasn't the only "offender,"  if you want to call it that.  If what I've read is true most of the Luftwaffe's Me109's were destroyed not in combat, but in take-off and landing accidents.

And "Semper Fi!"  to you! 

You are correct re: accidents for other air forces.

 

[Paul_D_North_Jr]

What did this George Bush do for - and against - the rail industry? 

[Firelock76]

PJS1

 

Firelock76

 PJS1, the US wasn't the only "offender,"  if you want to call it that.  If what I've read is true most of the Luftwaffe's Me109's were destroyed not in combat, but in take-off and landing accidents.

And "Semper Fi!"  to you! 

 

 

You are correct re: accidents for other air forces.

 

 

I just remembered, when I was MCAS Cherry Point in 1976 one of the squadrons restored a TBF to flying status and needed a pilot experienced in the type to try it out.

There were only two on base at the time, the wing commander MajGen Spanger, and CWO-4 Wildfang, who was also the "Silver Hawk," the senior Naval Aviator, at the time.

Both showed up at the squadron at the same time with their logbooks, and it turned out "Gunner" Wildfang had more hours in the TBF than the general did, so he flew it first.  Mind you, when the "Gunner" landed and taxied back to the hanger General Spanger practically dragged him out of the cockpit for his turn! 

All in good fun though!  That particular airplane's now at the National Museum Of The Marine Corps in Quantico VA, along with a LOT of other goodies!  Well worth a visit if you're ever in the area, trust me. 

[54light15]

It looks like George H.W. Bush is going home in style. 

[Miningman]

https://www.up.com/cs/groups/public/@uprr/@newsinfo/documents/digitalmedia/img_up_media_4014_bush_cab.jpg

 

https://www.up.com/media/media_kit/bush41/index.htm  nice presentation, schedule, photos, map, consist, etc

[Miningman]

. https://www.jtf.usstatefuneral.mdw.army.mil/docs/default-source/default-document-library/41w-nr02-official-schedule---state-funeral-for-george-hw-bush.pdf?sfvrsn=d47a34cb_0

[zardoz]

https://fox6now.com/2018/12/01/george-hw-bushs-campaign-train-tour-in-wi-was-his-last-his-consultants-told-him-he-was-going-to-lose/

 

[samfp1943]

Overmod

"...Well, I guess we'll find out now what they do after they take the tarp off..."

      I think it was a quote in a TRAINS article, that I first saw this reference to the 4141 being held at NLR at the Jenks Shops, and stored covered there.

      I never saw it under a load, nor any photos of it in revenue service. Although the linked story below quotes the UPRR spokesperson as saying the 4141 would operate over a milion miles during its service'life'.

 Here is a quote from an article linked and posted by Miningman[in part] https://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/releases/heritage_and_steam/2005/1018_4141.shtml "...Omaha, Neb., October 18, 2005: Union Pacific is paying tribute to President George Herbert Walker Bush with a custom-painted locomotive. Incorporating colors and elements of the Air Force One used during Mr. Bush's presidency, the new Union Pacific locomotive bears the number 4141, in honor of the 41st president. The special locomotive, which replicates Air Force One's design as a striking symbol of national pride and strength, was revealed to the former president during a ceremony near the George Bush Presidential Library and Museum on the Texas A&M University campus in College Station, Texas...President Bush said..." I am deeply grateful to Dick Davidson and Union Pacific for their friendship and support. If we had the UP 4141 back when I was still in Office, I might have left Air Force One behind more often!.."

Seems to be a point of interest that Bush '41' will ride to his burial at College Station,Tx. behind UPRR 4141. 

 One has to wonder if UP#4141 will eventually reside at the Bush 41 Library at Tx. A&M, in the manner of the aircraft (Boeing 707) that is a center piece at the Regan library?

 

 

[Miningman]

4141 was on all the major networks today. It will take the Bush family in Union Pacific executive cars a distance of 87 miles. 

[BaltACD]

Has the 4141 been used in revenue service since it was presidentally decorated?

[Miningman]

More very good info...courtesy our friend Mike

 Regarding 4141 in service 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpY95umQq_Y  4141

 

Great info here

https://www.encirclephotos.com/image/george-h-w-bush-summer-compound-on-walkers-point-in-kennebunkport-maine/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ6uLskuv0Y&t=5m

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/imgsrv/image?id=mdp.39015031294864;seq=35;width=1020

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/imgsrv/image?id=mdp.39015031294864;seq=36;width=1020

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/imgsrv/image?id=mdp.39015031294864;seq=37;width=1020

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/imgsrv/image?id=mdp.39015031294864;seq=38;width=1020

https://www.kennebunkmaine.us/PhotoViewScreen.aspx?PID=196&FullSize=true

 

 

[Miningman]

Prescott Bush 

https://books.google.com/books?id=oiNHDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT37&dq=%22bush's+father+would+join+them%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj12suT4ILfAhWEoIMKHapOB4MQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=%22bush's%20father%20would%20join%20them%22&f=false   

https://ia601203.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/23/items/SovietAmericanColdWarOrganizedCrime349/Yale%20University_%20%20A%20Devil%E2%80%99s%20Workshop_-113_jp2.zip&file=Yale%20University_%20%20A%20Devil%E2%80%99s%20Workshop_-113_jp2/Yale%20University_%20%20A%20Devil%E2%80%99s%20Workshop_-113_0054.jp2&scale=4&rotate=0

 

[CMStPnP]

Firelock76

You know, I always wondered if it was slightly irresponsible for the US government to turn a bunch of kids loose with this kind of high-powered machinery, but on the other hand, what choice did they have?

Your right, they cut short training in times of need to process volume.   

During the current two wars, the need for Infantry was so great they increased the barracks housing on Fort Benning and increased volume of those processed each cycle.   But they also cut training in the non-essential areas of drill and ceremony, inspections, and thank goodness they got rid of the black boots and having to shine them.   With the time saved by the cuts they added IED training, road blocks, and other training areas specific to the two wars.

The 14 week program is going to expand to 22 weeks in the not too distant future and I suspect it is Gen Mattis wanting to add more weapons training.   He is also finally making the Army PT test gender neutral and it will require more points to pass for the Combat Arms MOS' (at least I think that was his direction).

In regards to locomotive 4141 there is a link now on the UP website.

[Shadow the Cats owner]

A general wrote I would love to have 2 armies. 1 would be my showpiece with polished brass and boots and could do close order drill with precision. They would be my public face.  The real soldiers however would be a bunch of men and women that regardless of what we asked did the jobs without complaints but were to scary to show off to the public. 

[Miningman]

Trains Newswire: http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2018/12/01-up-4141-expected-to-participate-in-bush-funeral-train  “How UP No. 4141 came to be painted in honor of Bush and his presidential museum and library has never been described in detail, but it is believed that it came about through his relationship as vice president under Ronald Reagan with Transportation Secretary Drew Lewis, who later became UP chairman and CEO.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/us/drew-lewis-transportation-secretary-during-air-controllers-strike-dies-at-84.html  Drew Lewis obit

 

https://ipolitics.ca/2012/03/14/bian-mulroney-we-went-from-yelling-at-the-rain-to-talking-common-ground-acid-rain-treaty/   Brian Mulroney speech notes about acid rain

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pulmr2_L09s  Mulroney & Reagan 

 

[Victrola1]

Before there was fly over country, funeral trains carried national figures to their grave. All along the route people would turn out and pay their respects as the train passed. 

The longest funeral route for a president had to be Warren Harding in 1923. Harding died in San Francisco. Harding's body was taken by rail back to a state funeral in Washington, D. C. 

After the funeral Harding's body was taken by train to Marion, OH for burial. 

 

[Miningman]

Great stuff from Mike 

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTC6Djjz01zYs6Ta39isPvROI0zJIqM79tbWLrag-_zqscnClCC3A

 

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47297226_2031958363530838_8798748823825416192_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=31f31ce54d942f5eb91c99c830e2fc20&oe=5C9CC765

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmN96laauXc

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4IswXEeZmQ

[Firelock76]

Great stuff from Mike indeed!

Call me old-fashioned and out of touch with today's reality, but I believe in the idea of "The Warrior King" who "Wins his throne with his sword."

And if the sword was a Grumman "Avenger,"  why the hell not?

We've had "warrior kings" before.  We'll have them again.

[rdamon]

Video of 4141 in transport

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/george-h-w-bush/a-look-at-the-train-that-will-take-president-george-hw-bush-to-final-resting-place/85-619869435

 

[zardoz]

Firelock76

We've had "warrior kings" before.  We'll have them again.

We certainly do not have one now (draft-dodging President Bone Spurs).