UlrichYup, and that's what makes me nervous about flying lately too. A combination of cavalier attitude.. watching the uniformed kids on the flight deck as I board.. recalling how little I paid for the flight and wondering what portion of that pittance is allocated to safety..
Remember - when you get to our age - anyone that is actually working is a kid. Even though that kid might be 50 years old with 30 years exprerience in their profession.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
BaltACD Ulrich Yup, and that's what makes me nervous about flying lately too. A combination of cavalier attitude.. watching the uniformed kids on the flight deck as I board.. recalling how little I paid for the flight and wondering what portion of that pittance is allocated to safety.. Remember - when you get to our age - anyone that is actually working is a kid. Even though that kid might be 50 years old with 30 years exprerience in their profession.
Ulrich Yup, and that's what makes me nervous about flying lately too. A combination of cavalier attitude.. watching the uniformed kids on the flight deck as I board.. recalling how little I paid for the flight and wondering what portion of that pittance is allocated to safety..
It's not just about age and experience, it's about one's level of intelligence and knowledge about their profession.
At work we have some specific 20-something engineers and conductors who are far smarter and safer than some of their retirement-aged co-workers.
The various cost-cutting in an attempt to undercut each other's fares is a legitimate concern, one can only cut so much before safety starts to be compromised.
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That painting of the sinking Lusitania is by Ken Marschall. If you see a book of his paintings, grab it.
SD70Dude BaltACD Ulrich Yup, and that's what makes me nervous about flying lately too. A combination of cavalier attitude.. watching the uniformed kids on the flight deck as I board.. recalling how little I paid for the flight and wondering what portion of that pittance is allocated to safety.. Remember - when you get to our age - anyone that is actually working is a kid. Even though that kid might be 50 years old with 30 years exprerience in their profession. It's not just about age and experience, it's about one's level of intelligence and knowledge about their profession. At work we have some specific 20-something engineers and conductors who are far smarter and safer than some of their retirement-aged co-workers. The various cost-cutting in an attempt to undercut each other's fares is a legitimate concern, one can only cut so much before safety starts to be compromised.
True enough, and I do remember my own youth.. showing up at a loading dock with a T/T and getting asked for my licence. (I'm told) I looked 15 or maybe 16 when I was 19.. Nobody makes that mistake anymore..
SD70DudeRE: Britannic, wasn't it all the open portholes on the lower decks that allowed water to flood more compartments even after the watertight doors were closed?
That certainly didn't help. But note all the 'sinking' that had to occur in a fraction of 15 minutes to put the first row of portholes below water ... you wouldn't get this only from mine damage to the bow.
The other thing to remember about Britannic, and the 'lessons learned' from Titanic, was the death toll. Of sick and injured, with no advance warning.
The man who owned Soldier's Fortune, about which I commented in another thread, was a good friend of Bruce Ismay. He understood quite a bit more about the situation with IMM and White Star than most of the critics seem to have done. I have to confess now that I had relegated Ismay to the place most of his critics love to put him. (Much as Aaron Burr seems to have been relegated, for even less actual cause, but that's another story...) It appears that in many respects, I was mistaken if not in fact prejudicedly wrong.
Pride in a job well done is quite a different thing from hubris. On the other hand, rubbing one's hands at successfully monetizing steerage while permitting high perceived luxury, which really is a marketing triumph, might be inviting karma to an extent.
I don't think it is fair to blame 'covering up' a minor bunkerage fire, or the New York incident, on excessive pride, no matter how much fun popular contemporary songwriters or their modern-day equivalents may have had with the themes. And there is this continuing drumbeat of enthusiasm for the idea that Ismay ordered high speed 'to try for the Blue Riband' ... in a ship obviously constructed (with quad-expansion engines and a vacuum turbine only turning one way) for high efficiency at medium speed.
Wow,
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You guys over here in the Trains message boards sure get way off topic easily.
I did learn a lot about steam ships.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
Getting back to a railroad theme, for a period I rode on the Eire-Lackawanna ferries that all except one was steam powered with some poor guy with a shovel in the boiler room making all that noise while the engine was realatively quiet. At that time,1959 to 1964 all the railroads in New York harbor had large fleets of steam tugboats as well as ferries.
Pennsy's steamer "Virginia Lee".
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SeeYou190- yes, this is a train forum but anything that burns coal seems to be welcome here. What's not to like about a steam powered anything? I well recall the various railroad tugboat and car float fleets in New York when I was a kid. I recall there being real "steam" shovels on construction sites in Manhattan in the early 70s. In the 90s there was a steam powered dredge in the Hudson river at Poughkeepsie. I saw the plumes of steam coming out of a narrow stack whenever it raised its bucket. I wish I could have gotten aboard but it was near the middle of the river. I wonder if it still operates? It's American Thanksgving today and if I'm thankful for anything, it's steam!
54light15 this is a train forum
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csxns 54light15 this is a train forum Begining to wonder
Begining to wonder
Yeah - but sometimes one learns something new, and that's not all bad.
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Great discussion.. off topic a little is fine I think so long as it doesn't get political..
It is a internet forum for crying out loud! Threads go where the go! Deal with it.
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Murphy Siding Some weather we've been having....
The price of gas has been dropping recently.
BaltACD Murphy Siding Some weather we've been having.... The price of gas has been dropping recently.
CSSHEGEWISCHThe price of gas has been dropping recently. The price of beans has gone down.
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