Yes, some people want to learn their work. Where I live, we have, among other workers, "servers" in the dining room. I do not remember just when he started working, but one young man at times looked lost when serving residents. He now is the head server--he stayed with the work and does quite well. Who knows--he might be promoted to being over the kitchen as well well the current man with that authority leaves--as taprevious head server was promoted--and she has gone on to another place which provides food.
Johnny
Shadow has lots to say about government regulations, and rightfully so.
Greyhound has referenced to a news article relating to the rail industry problem getting people hired.
Somehow that lead photo of the above mentioned article, seems odd, the switchman seems to be in an strange position as he is bending the rail, maybe it is me and my inexperience, and after all he is learning, but then the instructor is there......I would wish someone could tell me if he is prefectly stanced to do the job.
I digress: His referenced article is concluded with details citing an EEOC lawsuit against CSX. In short, CSX wanted applicants to do manual dexterity tests to determine safety of doing the job required. The government said, NO that is discrimatory. Go figure?
Ole Tommy Jefferson said it best, "The best government is the one that governs the least" mike endmrw0630181426
zugmann BaltACD Find something you love to do and you will never work a day in your life. Some say never turn your passion into a career. I think true happiness lies somewhere in between.
BaltACD Find something you love to do and you will never work a day in your life.
Some say never turn your passion into a career.
I think true happiness lies somewhere in between.
Winston Churchill said it best. The advice he gave his kids on career choices went as follows...
"Do what you like, but LIKE what you do!"
And all this talk about "young people nowadays..." reminds me of an article I read in a trade magazine not long ago. The writer was a business owner who said something very interesting. He said the young people he hires want to work, but they don't know how to work, so he has to train them in the "basics" before he can even start training them for the job. Isn't that interesting?
Seems like someone's asleep at the switch out there.
charlie hebdo Ulrich About liking/loving one's work.. its a matter of personal choice: it ain't about the work itself.. it's all about one's attitude towards it..i.e. if you're a professor or a locomotive engineer or whatever, you have the power within you to decide to love it or not.. it's all about your approach to it. Oh yeah, try telling that gem to almost anyone under 30 or folks in many jobs with horrible conditions. You'll get a mixture of derisive laughs and boos.
Ulrich About liking/loving one's work.. its a matter of personal choice: it ain't about the work itself.. it's all about one's attitude towards it..i.e. if you're a professor or a locomotive engineer or whatever, you have the power within you to decide to love it or not.. it's all about your approach to it.
Oh yeah, try telling that gem to almost anyone under 30 or folks in many jobs with horrible conditions. You'll get a mixture of derisive laughs and boos.
Mostly because their ideal job has them doing nothing and getting paid hansomely to do it. Personally I can't see assembly line type jobs offering much if an personal job satisfiction - for some they may, for me no way. The under 30 crowd believe they deserve the top floor corner office with a view without ever having done anything to earn it.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Charlie my husband became disabled due to TBI's before he was 30. He would trade his last 14 years of hell for the 7 he had as an OTR driver anyplace anytime. He loved the road the lifestyle and for the OTR driver it is a lifestyle and my drivers today tell me this. You have to love it to make it work. Treat it like a normal 9-5 job and your going to hate the freaking thing. Think of it as your getting paid to see some of the most beautiful parts of this nation in between cities and your going to love it. My husband thought of it as being a paid tourist. He got paid to go to Las Vegas and other cities. Is trucking a hard job yes it is long hours on the road and away from your family. However the pay is finally catching up to what it should be. Now if we could get some damn regulatory relief with HOS flexiblity again we might have a decent industry again. The stupidest thing the Federal government ever did was think they could put the entire OTR industry on a 24 hour clock that is rigid.
UlrichAbout liking/loving one's work.. its a matter of personal choice: it ain't about the work itself.. it's all about one's attitude towards it..i.e. if you're a professor or a locomotive engineer or whatever, you have the power within you to decide to love it or not.. it's all about your approach to it.
Supply & demand will take care of this. Freight rates are way up, and carriers are now able to offer more money to their drivers. Of course, it takes time for new people to come in to the industry and to become qualified, but truck driving remains the top job by employment numbers. Personally I've never found the work that hard.. I would think that performing open heart surgery or working as an engineer for Boeing would be much harder..
About liking/loving one's work.. its a matter of personal choice: it ain't about the work itself.. it's all about one's attitude towards it..i.e. if you're a professor or a locomotive engineer or whatever, you have the power within you to decide to love it or not.. it's all about your approach to it.
Saturday morning article from Bloomberg :
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-30/america-needs-more-truck-drivers-bloomberg-opinion-jj1cua16
BaltACDFind something you love to do and you will never work a day in your life.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.t fun any
Find something you love to do and you will never work a day in your life.
BackshopThey don't understand the old saying "you can either work hard when you're young or work hard when you're old".
Yeah, but we've all seen the guys that work hard their whole lives and drop over dead before retirement.
I fid that the reason that many young people don't go into trades is because it's "too hard". They just got out of high school and want to hang out with their friends. They don't want to work all day as apprentices and then go to school at night. They don't understand the old saying "you can either work hard when you're young or work hard when you're old".
Victrola1 ...does the public believe railroads are up to the challenge?
General Public: "What's a railroad? I thought they were gone years ago."
Quote seen some years ago: Many college graduates leave college expecting to find a position only to end up finding a job.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
College really isn't for everyone. On the other hand, we still have a reasonably market-driven labor pool. Unemployment is quite low and workers have chosen to not go into the trades of all sorts, even with bonuses. Why? IMO, in order of effect size: 1. The perception of "sub-optimal" working conditions; 2. Limited opportunities for advancement; 3. Earnings potential they think is not so good. A lot of young folks look at their parents and older generations and see people working hard at jobs they hate and becoming miserable, aging burn-outs.
Their perception may be wrong, but that is a driving force.
And then there's the guy on here who claims 3-5 years' experience isn't sufficient to learn a route properly and that the training sucks. Good luck with hiring (and retaining) new, young engineers who discover they have to work with people like that.
Per the last paragraph of Sam's comment, I'm reminded of what a radio news commentator named Walter Kiernan said way back in the 60's...
"When everyone has a PhD, the last garbageman will be a millionaire!"
And the push for young people to go into white-collar professions, and the long term effects that would have on the trades and crafts? Some people have been warning us about that since the 1930's.
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Last year an average OTR company had a turnover rate of over 100 percent. We barely had 15 percent and most were retiring not moving to another carrier. My 200 driver's are my grown-up kids and trust me if we aren't paying them enough I hear about it faster than Swift removes a hood in a truck stop most days.
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Can't really argue the points with Shadow's owner, she's got current real-time experience. My experiences are dated , but even back then the OTR Trucking companies had some staggering turnover rates; 100% was even back then not uncommon, in some large fleets. In some smaller operators, 80-90% were numbers they 'lived with'.
What was sort of fascinating, were the numbers of companies with drivers who worked for the company, as strictly recovery drivers- individuals who would ride out to recover trucks. an or loads, abandoned around the country. Much of those abandoned trucks were left by drivers who had been 'poached' by compeditor's recruiters. but I digress.
While reading postings at one news aggregator yeaterday, I found the following linked article; similar in nature posted by this Thread's OP. Linked here @ http://www.savannahnow.com/news/20180628/americas-trucker-shortage-could-undermine-economy
"America’s trucker shortage could undermine economy" By Heather Long / The Washington Post / WP Bloomberg Posted Jun 28, 2018 at 12:23 PM Updated Jun 28, 2018 at 12:23 PM
FTA:"...LAKE MILTON, Ohio - Bob Blocksom, an 87-year-old former insurance salesman, needs a job. He hasn’t saved enough money for his retirement. And trucking companies, desperate for workers, are willing to give him one.
Age didn’t matter, they said. If Blocksom could get his “CDL” - commercial driver’s license - they would hire him for a $50,000 job. One even offered to pay his tuition for driver training school, but there was a catch: Blocksom had to commit to driving an 18-wheel truck all over America for a year.
"...But it’s not working. The industry reports a growing labor shortage - 63,000 open positions this year, a number expected to more than double in coming years - that could have wide-ranging impacts on the American economy.
Nearly every item sold in America touches a truck [-this used to be a railroad mantra(?)] at some point, which explains why the challenges facing the industry, including trucking companies rapidly raising prices as they raise wages, have special power to affect the entire economy. Already, delivery delays are common, and businesses such as Amazon, General Mills and Tyson Foods are raising prices as they pass higher transportation costs along to consumers. A Walmart executive called rising transportation costs the company’s primary “head wind” on a recent call with investors..."
n012944It sounds like you are trying to hire on the cheap...
Even the state DOT can't get people that pass. And those are good jobs.
Shadow the Cats owner My boss would love to grow more however we have a problem. We have trouble finding people that can pass a Wizz Quiz without testing hot for TCH in their system. That in the eyes of the FMCSA and DOT is an automatic failure for any safety sensitive job.
My boss would love to grow more however we have a problem. We have trouble finding people that can pass a Wizz Quiz without testing hot for TCH in their system. That in the eyes of the FMCSA and DOT is an automatic failure for any safety sensitive job.
It sounds like you are trying to hire on the cheap...
An "expensive model collector"
Well, there's this from the Chicago Tribune. It's all about railroads.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-union-pacific-railroad-jobs-hiring-incentives-xxxx-20180619-story.html
My understanding is the railways are also presently maxed right out.. They're hiring and apparently are also having some difficulty finding new recruits. Anyone who wants to work is working right now.. there aren't alot of people just sitting around doing nothing right now unless they don't want to or don't have to work.
What is then the question ?
Can or even if they could will the RR industry step up to the plate without a government push to meet the demand ? Meeting the demand might cause their operating ratio to get higher even though the RRs would make more total profit ?
http://www.savannahnow.com/news/20180628/americas-trucker-shortage-could-undermine-economy
Above is yet another article in the mass media about doomsday due to a dire shortage of truckers. What you do not see is anything about railroads taking up the slack.
Beyond the doomsday hype to draw readership, does the public believe railroads are up to the challenge?
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