edblysard Oh it was hard to be quiet this long!
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I run an amateur radio "net" once a week, and participate in nets at other times. It's not unusual to have two or three people try to respond when we call for check-ins. Sometimes only one radio will get through at all, and occasionally, if they are about equal in strength to the receiver, you'll hear "intermod." There's a certain timing inherent in keying up, making it that much more likely two folks will key up at once.
We've run "radio free" days on the railroad. Some people have a real problem with that - they just love to talk on the radio. It's not unusual for one of the crew to suggest going to hand signals if we have two trains in proximity around the yard. Our trains are fairly short, so oftimes even someone at the rear of the train can still work with hand signals.
We had a hand signal for "three step" as well as cancelling same, but our FRA inspector indicated he'd rather hear the request on the radio, so that goes out on the air now.
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Murphy Siding(2) Radios fail or get "stepped" on (Plus hoggers are sometimes Bi-) (3) Queue up Wabbo and EdB for a redux. Almost afraid to ask for a clarification on #2.
I will answer what does "stepped on" mean. Its when another individual (C) transmits while you are trying to either send or receive thus stepping on your (a-b) conversation. I have no clue as to the second part of (2) .
Murphy SidingIt seems like you'd have a ginormous blind spot when backing up that locomotive. Wouldn't most of what's going on occur near the couplers in the area you can't see?
Yes, but ... how much of this isn't even more true for the same locomotive type in tha same place WITHOUT mirrors?
The 'better' alternative is a reasonably high-resolution camera with wide field and some Pan/tilt capability on each end, in conjunction with the mirrors. That hasn't been popular so far, for some fairly predictable reasons and rationales.
Murphy Siding It seems like you'd have a ginormous blind spot when backing up that locomotive. Wouldn't most of what's going on occur near the couplers in the area you can't see?
That is the reason you have brakemen on the point of shoving moves in either direction - to give voice and/or hand signals about the distance to the coupling and to insure that the coupling is not made at an excessive speed. Moving locomotives is really not a one man job.
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It seems like you'd have a ginormous blind spot when backing up that locomotive. Wouldn't most of what's going on occur near the couplers in the area you can't see?
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Murphy Siding I was stopped at a crossing yesterday as the Ellis & Eastern switched a few cars into a spur. I noticed that their Geep had a big ol' rear view mirror mounted on the outside of the engineer's window. Is this common for locomotives that do a lot of switching? How useful would it be, considering the engineer is on the radio with the men on the ground?
There are only 60 seconds of air time available on the Road Channel every minute. With multiple trains operating in the same geographical area the Road Channel can be overloaded with various communications in very short order. In such situations it is advisable to use hand signals for ground-locomotive communications so the chance of confused instructions is minimized. Voices between people communicating on a radio channel are often confused.
Early in my career, switching with radios was a Efficency Test Failure.
Murphy Siding Are the mirrors mostly just used on locomotives used for switching? Most pictures I see of road units don't have them and truthfully, I can't remember if the ones I see in person do or don't.
Are the mirrors mostly just used on locomotives used for switching? Most pictures I see of road units don't have them and truthfully, I can't remember if the ones I see in person do or don't.
Most if not all CSX units have them. They are useful for keeping an eye on the train without have to turn around so much. The bigger ones give a much better view than the small ones.
Mark Vinski
Murphy Siding How useful would it be, considering the engineer is on the radio with the men on the ground?
How useful would it be, considering the engineer is on the radio with the men on the ground?
Many old heads, and a few younger ones, are of the opinion that the less said over the radio, the better. Once they had instructions to use hand signals when moving light power around the yard to cut down on the radio chatter. Most now use radio for everything. It's a rare pleasure to get a trainmen who prefers hand signals when they are visible.
Get two or three jobs all working at the same time within radio range and it gets interesting. Often one job might be able to go to another channel, but sometimes it's not possible. I've stopped before because I couldn't clearly hear my conductor's radio instructions.
Most of our engines have mirrors. About the only ones that don't are those equipped with bay-window type storm windows.
Jeff
zugmannAnd if you are running long hood out, mirrors are great.
Our F's have mirrors, but they're so small and close to the carbody that you don't see much.
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mudchicken Directional ?
Directional ?
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Murphy SidingHow useful would it be, considering the engineer is on the radio with the men on the ground?
As the others have said - very useful. For switching, it allows you to see what's going on (if you are on the same side as the work). There's been times I caught stuff the conductor missed just by using the mirrors.
And if you are running long hood out, mirrors are great. Beats having to try to be a contortionist to see out the back window.
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mudchicken (1) Yes (2) Radios fail or get "stepped" on (Plus hoggers are sometimes Bi-) (3) Queue up Wabbo and EdB for a redux.
(1) Yes
(2) Radios fail or get "stepped" on (Plus hoggers are sometimes Bi-)
(3) Queue up Wabbo and EdB for a redux.
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I was stopped at a crossing yesterday as the Ellis & Eastern switched a few cars into a spur. I noticed that their Geep had a big ol' rear view mirror mounted on the outside of the engineer's window. Is this common for locomotives that do a lot of switching? How useful would it be, considering the engineer is on the radio with the men on the ground?
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