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No Cash aceepted on Brightline trains is this the future?

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Posted by Euclid on Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:28 PM

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Hard to believe they are willing to limit their potential market in this way.

 

 

It must take a special kind of attitude to decide that your business will not take cash.  What reasons do they give? 

 

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Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:10 PM

If you are Creditcardless then the option is to go a doller store and buy a gift card. So the gift card fee is 5.00 for a 50.00 card and a some places charge a fee for everytime you use it at there esablshment and for Greendot Cards they charge 10.00 right off the top and a monthly fee. Also with gift and any debit card walking around Miami anyone could bonk you on the head and use your card with impunity as many places just swipe your card and dont even ask for signature or ID with the card.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:09 PM

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I seem to remember some item in the Constitution of the United States that says that a business MUST accept U.S. Currency.

Point me to it, please.

What I remember is that the Constitution reserves to Congress the right to coin money (by extension, arrange printing of paper money), regulate the nominal value of that money, and arrange standards for weights and measures (in part to formalize the process of assessing value of money).  That is in Article 1 section 8.

Meanwhile the 'several States' are expressly forbidden to establish 'legal tender' of anything except gold and silver -- the reason for which was well understood at the time, the tendency of states to issue their own currencies with little or no backing.  Note that this includes 'legal tender' in foreign coinage as well as American dollars, as long as it is precious metal.  (Art. I sec. 10)  Interestingly, there are some arguments to be made for the idea the state can define what is not legal tender, at least in some circumstances; if I recall correctly, one of the 'greenback' cases during the Civil War resulted in the decision in a state supreme court that a paper issue had no value in 'legal tender' for settling debts in that state that were incurred or contracted before Congress passed the law authorizing greenback issue, and this view was (albeit not for very long) upheld by the Supreme Court in 1870.  I don't believe that before Julliard v. Greenman there was any precedent that United States Notes were required as an acceptable legal tender, so any informed discussion on required acceptance of paper money as 'cash' would have to be grounded on subsequent jurisprudence and not on a 'constitutional' argument of any kind. 

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:08 PM
The Constitution says NO SUCH THING. Perhaps a bit of research on this topic is required. https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12772.htm
There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services.
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Posted by ruderunner on Thursday, January 18, 2018 11:47 AM

Semper Vaporo

I seem to remember some item in the Constitution of the United States that says that a buisiness MUST accept U.S. Currency.  If they refuse it, you can take the goods or services without paying for it.  I think this was designed to prohibit the use of private currency that might restrict trade between the states, but is it applicable to this current situation?

 

I recall something similar, though not from the Constitution. the taking of goods is new to me and rather awkward. Wonder if I can make this work at Starbucks?

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:56 AM

I seem to remember some item in the Constitution of the United States that says that a buisiness MUST accept U.S. Currency.  If they refuse it, you can take the goods or services without paying for it.  I think this was designed to prohibit the use of private currency that might restrict trade between the states, but is it applicable to this current situation?

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:06 AM
I like cash for the exact same reason. It forces me to acknowledge the finite resource. Having said that, from a business perspective it is cheaper and less risky to go Cashless. a ticket kiosk that accepts cash is a target for thieves. Not to mention the costs associated with emptying it and resupplying it. Using the app to scan barcodes also makes life easier. reduces costs for paper to print the tickets and the waste to clean up. Perhaps if the service becomes popular, they will start selling them at the service desks at local grocery stores or similar where cash is already handled.
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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, January 17, 2018 8:02 PM

Hard to believe they are willing to limit their potential market in this way.

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Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Wednesday, January 17, 2018 7:53 PM

What about Undocumented workers in Miami that get paid in cash? i get Paid in cash sometimes too. The Brightline Station does not even have a agent that takes cash

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Posted by Firelock76 on Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25 PM

I'm with you C&O, I like cash too.  Instantly recognizeable and always welcome just about everywhere.  Also, watching the diminishing supply of the same in your wallet is a great inducement to spending discipline. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:10 PM

CandOforprogress2
I like cash its easy and confidentiaol and fee free its seems that having any privacy is out the window. No word if Brightline is going to take Bitcoin in the future. BTW Virgina Rail Express is the same way.

 

Yes! We are bike friendly as we have designated bike racks in our coaches.

 

 "Unfortunately, we don’t take cash. You can pay at the station kiosks in our lobby, online at www.gobrightline.com or our app. As long as you have an email address you can receive confirmation of your ticket # via email. You can print the tickets at home or at the station at our kiosks. 

See you on board! 
 
www.gobrightline.com
 

Jacksonville Jaguars had a home playoff game two weeks ago - paper tickets were not accepted.

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No Cash aceepted on Brightline trains is this the future?
Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Wednesday, January 17, 2018 11:52 AM

I like cash its easy and confidentiaol and fee free its seems that having any privacy is out the window. No word if Brightline is going to take Bitcoin in the future. BTW Virgina Rail Express is the same way.

 

Yes! We are bike friendly as we have designated bike racks in our coaches.

 

 "Unfortunately, we don’t take cash. You can pay at the station kiosks in our lobby, online at www.gobrightline.com or our app. As long as you have an email address you can receive confirmation of your ticket # via email. You can print the tickets at home or at the station at our kiosks.

 

 

See you on board!

 

 

 

 
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