Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid I don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen. So which is it? Assuming that frozen means no improvement or degradation in CSX performance under the continued influence of EHH, I see no proof to conclude that it is or is not frozen. However, being frozen seems far less likely than being unfrozen. The three statistics are only the results of operational inputs rather than a detail of the inputs. With a bomb thrower like Harrison running the show, I think it is likely that operational inputs are continuing, even if capital inputs such as equipment purchases are not happening. And who's to say that even those capital inputs will not happen in a month or two even if they are not happening today? I would not even conclude that capital inputs are not currently underway. All I can conclude is that the three performance statistics have been flat for two months.
Murphy Siding Euclid I don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen. So which is it?
Euclid I don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen.
So which is it?
Assuming that frozen means no improvement or degradation in CSX performance under the continued influence of EHH, I see no proof to conclude that it is or is not frozen. However, being frozen seems far less likely than being unfrozen.
The three statistics are only the results of operational inputs rather than a detail of the inputs. With a bomb thrower like Harrison running the show, I think it is likely that operational inputs are continuing, even if capital inputs such as equipment purchases are not happening. And who's to say that even those capital inputs will not happen in a month or two even if they are not happening today? I would not even conclude that capital inputs are not currently underway.
All I can conclude is that the three performance statistics have been flat for two months.
EuclidI don’t think the process is frozen. Although I do know that the process has the numbers speaking for it, and of course, what you see is what you get. And what you see is what CSX will look like. And that is looking at the glass half full which can affect the process if you are too optimistic.
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SALfanWasn't it Mark Twain who said "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics"? Looks like EBB has moved on into statistics.
Benjamin Disraeli.
The sentiment still applies, though.
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williamsb EHH does not report RPM the same as other class 1 RR's. When he was at CN they would not include CN's numbers. When they changed back to reporting the same as other class 1's CN's Terminal Dwell Time about doubled. They do not accept CP's or CSX's reporting now.
EHH does not report RPM the same as other class 1 RR's. When he was at CN they would not include CN's numbers. When they changed back to reporting the same as other class 1's CN's Terminal Dwell Time about doubled. They do not accept CP's or CSX's reporting now.
You can find the CSX STB numbers here: https://www.stb.gov/stb/railserviceissues/rail_service_reports.html#loaded
They come out on Friday for the previous week. Dwell and train speed same as AAR published numbers
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
Yeah and no one believes his Stats anymore as they know the truth and knows he hides what is really going on behind his numbers.
BaltACD williamsb EHH does not report RPM the same as other class 1 RR's. When he was at CN they would not include CN's numbers. When they changed back to reporting the same as other class 1's CN's Terminal Dwell Time about doubled. They do not accept CP's or CSX's reporting now. EHH has devised a system of numbers that have little relation to the 'traditional' numbers. Those traditional numbers were devised in concert with the STB to measure the service melt downs that over the past 3 decades have happened on UP with both their CNW and SP acquisitions as well as CSX & NS's issues with the ConRail split and acquisition. EHH features he can manipulate his numbers so that they are always 'good'. It appears he isn't able to do this with CSX at this time.
EHH has devised a system of numbers that have little relation to the 'traditional' numbers. Those traditional numbers were devised in concert with the STB to measure the service melt downs that over the past 3 decades have happened on UP with both their CNW and SP acquisitions as well as CSX & NS's issues with the ConRail split and acquisition.
EHH features he can manipulate his numbers so that they are always 'good'. It appears he isn't able to do this with CSX at this time.
Wasn't it Mark Twain who said "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics"? Looks like EBB has moved on into statistics.
Euclid Murphy Siding It sounds to me like you don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen. I don’t think the process is frozen. Although I do know that the process has the numbers speaking for it, and of course, what you see is what you get. And what you see is what CSX will look like. And that is looking at the glass half full which can affect the process if you are too optimistic.
Murphy Siding It sounds to me like you don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen.
I don’t think the process is frozen. Although I do know that the process has the numbers speaking for it, and of course, what you see is what you get. And what you see is what CSX will look like. And that is looking at the glass half full which can affect the process if you are too optimistic.
EuclidI don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen.
Ulrich They may stay the same, get better, or get worse..nobody knows.
They may stay the same, get better, or get worse..nobody knows.
They don't change by "praying to the graph". Somebody or something has to be different.
Euclid oltmannd Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000. What does this mean? The numbers are the "voice of the process". That the numbers have been virtually flat for about two months now means that what you see is what you get. They are no better than a year ago, pre-EHH. Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like. That seems like quite a leap. The numbers may be the voice of the process, but how do you know the process is now frozen?
oltmannd Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000. What does this mean? The numbers are the "voice of the process". That the numbers have been virtually flat for about two months now means that what you see is what you get. They are no better than a year ago, pre-EHH. Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like.
Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000.
What does this mean? The numbers are the "voice of the process". That the numbers have been virtually flat for about two months now means that what you see is what you get. They are no better than a year ago, pre-EHH.
Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like.
That seems like quite a leap. The numbers may be the voice of the process, but how do you know the process is now frozen?
Two months with no change is good indication of no change in the process. CSX could improve their process, but that requires doing something different or deploying resources differently or having more resources. I haven't read or seen any sign of any of these.
Murphy SidingIt sounds to me like you don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen.
Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid oltmannd Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000. What does this mean? The numbers are the "voice of the process". That the numbers have been virtually flat for about two months now means that what you see is what you get. They are no better than a year ago, pre-EHH. Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like. That seems like quite a leap. The numbers may be the voice of the process, but how do you know the process is now frozen? How do you know it isn't now frozen? The numbers being flat for 2 months would be the major clue. I don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen. But I also don’t know what frozen duration Don is stipulating. He says, "what you see is what you get,” and "...this is what CSX under EHH will look Like.” That sounds like he is saying that the process is frozen for all time based on the numbers not moving for two months. That is was I consider to be a leap. Even if the flat numbers for two months mean the system has been frozen for two months, that not indicate that the EHH plan is failing. You don't have to tell us what Don means. He's quite capable of that on his own and we all can read. Since it's all opinion, I'll take the opinion of someone with railroading in his background (Don) over someone without (You). Murphy Siding Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid oltmannd Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000. What does this mean? The numbers are the "voice of the process". That the numbers have been virtually flat for about two months now means that what you see is what you get. They are no better than a year ago, pre-EHH. Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like. That seems like quite a leap. The numbers may be the voice of the process, but how do you know the process is now frozen? How do you know it isn't now frozen? The numbers being flat for 2 months would be the major clue. I don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen. But I also don’t know what frozen duration Don is stipulating. He says, "what you see is what you get,” and "...this is what CSX under EHH will look Like.” That sounds like he is saying that the process is frozen for all time based on the numbers not moving for two months. That is was I consider to be a leap. Even if the flat numbers for two months mean the system has been frozen for two months, that not indicate that the EHH plan is failing. You don't have to tell us what Don means. He's quite capable of that on his own and we all can read. Since it's all opinion, I'll take the opinion of someone with railroading in his background (Don) over someone without (You). Nowhere have I tried to tell you or your "us" group what Don means. All I have done is characterize what his comments mean to me and why I regard them the way I do. I would be surprised if he were offended by my question. I don't care what his comments mean to you. I beg to differ. For reference, I've marked your words in red. You must care what his words mean to someone as you are trying to explain what they mean to somebody. The "someone" is me. It is only "I" that is asking what his words mean. When I say "it sounds like he means...", I mean it sounds that way to me. If anything, I was asking you, Don, or others to tell me what he means. I have marked some words in his original post and quote it below. I understand perfectly what he is saying before the part made bold and highlighted in red. I have no idea what the part in red means: "Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000. What does this mean? The numbers are the "voice of the process". That the numbers have been virtually flat for about two months now means that what you see is what you get. They are no better than a year ago, pre-EHH. Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like."
Murphy Siding Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid oltmannd Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000. What does this mean? The numbers are the "voice of the process". That the numbers have been virtually flat for about two months now means that what you see is what you get. They are no better than a year ago, pre-EHH. Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like. That seems like quite a leap. The numbers may be the voice of the process, but how do you know the process is now frozen? How do you know it isn't now frozen? The numbers being flat for 2 months would be the major clue. I don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen. But I also don’t know what frozen duration Don is stipulating. He says, "what you see is what you get,” and "...this is what CSX under EHH will look Like.” That sounds like he is saying that the process is frozen for all time based on the numbers not moving for two months. That is was I consider to be a leap. Even if the flat numbers for two months mean the system has been frozen for two months, that not indicate that the EHH plan is failing. You don't have to tell us what Don means. He's quite capable of that on his own and we all can read. Since it's all opinion, I'll take the opinion of someone with railroading in his background (Don) over someone without (You). Murphy Siding Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid oltmannd Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000. What does this mean? The numbers are the "voice of the process". That the numbers have been virtually flat for about two months now means that what you see is what you get. They are no better than a year ago, pre-EHH. Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like. That seems like quite a leap. The numbers may be the voice of the process, but how do you know the process is now frozen? How do you know it isn't now frozen? The numbers being flat for 2 months would be the major clue. I don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen. But I also don’t know what frozen duration Don is stipulating. He says, "what you see is what you get,” and "...this is what CSX under EHH will look Like.” That sounds like he is saying that the process is frozen for all time based on the numbers not moving for two months. That is was I consider to be a leap. Even if the flat numbers for two months mean the system has been frozen for two months, that not indicate that the EHH plan is failing. You don't have to tell us what Don means. He's quite capable of that on his own and we all can read. Since it's all opinion, I'll take the opinion of someone with railroading in his background (Don) over someone without (You). Nowhere have I tried to tell you or your "us" group what Don means. All I have done is characterize what his comments mean to me and why I regard them the way I do. I would be surprised if he were offended by my question. I don't care what his comments mean to you. I beg to differ. For reference, I've marked your words in red. You must care what his words mean to someone as you are trying to explain what they mean to somebody.
Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid oltmannd Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000. What does this mean? The numbers are the "voice of the process". That the numbers have been virtually flat for about two months now means that what you see is what you get. They are no better than a year ago, pre-EHH. Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like. That seems like quite a leap. The numbers may be the voice of the process, but how do you know the process is now frozen? How do you know it isn't now frozen? The numbers being flat for 2 months would be the major clue. I don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen. But I also don’t know what frozen duration Don is stipulating. He says, "what you see is what you get,” and "...this is what CSX under EHH will look Like.” That sounds like he is saying that the process is frozen for all time based on the numbers not moving for two months. That is was I consider to be a leap. Even if the flat numbers for two months mean the system has been frozen for two months, that not indicate that the EHH plan is failing. You don't have to tell us what Don means. He's quite capable of that on his own and we all can read. Since it's all opinion, I'll take the opinion of someone with railroading in his background (Don) over someone without (You). Murphy Siding Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid oltmannd Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000. What does this mean? The numbers are the "voice of the process". That the numbers have been virtually flat for about two months now means that what you see is what you get. They are no better than a year ago, pre-EHH. Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like. That seems like quite a leap. The numbers may be the voice of the process, but how do you know the process is now frozen? How do you know it isn't now frozen? The numbers being flat for 2 months would be the major clue. I don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen. But I also don’t know what frozen duration Don is stipulating. He says, "what you see is what you get,” and "...this is what CSX under EHH will look Like.” That sounds like he is saying that the process is frozen for all time based on the numbers not moving for two months. That is was I consider to be a leap. Even if the flat numbers for two months mean the system has been frozen for two months, that not indicate that the EHH plan is failing. You don't have to tell us what Don means. He's quite capable of that on his own and we all can read. Since it's all opinion, I'll take the opinion of someone with railroading in his background (Don) over someone without (You). Nowhere have I tried to tell you or your "us" group what Don means. All I have done is characterize what his comments mean to me and why I regard them the way I do. I would be surprised if he were offended by my question. I don't care what his comments mean to you.
Murphy Siding Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid oltmannd Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000. What does this mean? The numbers are the "voice of the process". That the numbers have been virtually flat for about two months now means that what you see is what you get. They are no better than a year ago, pre-EHH. Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like. That seems like quite a leap. The numbers may be the voice of the process, but how do you know the process is now frozen? How do you know it isn't now frozen? The numbers being flat for 2 months would be the major clue. I don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen. But I also don’t know what frozen duration Don is stipulating. He says, "what you see is what you get,” and "...this is what CSX under EHH will look Like.” That sounds like he is saying that the process is frozen for all time based on the numbers not moving for two months. That is was I consider to be a leap. Even if the flat numbers for two months mean the system has been frozen for two months, that not indicate that the EHH plan is failing. You don't have to tell us what Don means. He's quite capable of that on his own and we all can read. Since it's all opinion, I'll take the opinion of someone with railroading in his background (Don) over someone without (You).
Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid oltmannd Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000. What does this mean? The numbers are the "voice of the process". That the numbers have been virtually flat for about two months now means that what you see is what you get. They are no better than a year ago, pre-EHH. Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like. That seems like quite a leap. The numbers may be the voice of the process, but how do you know the process is now frozen? How do you know it isn't now frozen? The numbers being flat for 2 months would be the major clue. I don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen. But I also don’t know what frozen duration Don is stipulating. He says, "what you see is what you get,” and "...this is what CSX under EHH will look Like.” That sounds like he is saying that the process is frozen for all time based on the numbers not moving for two months. That is was I consider to be a leap. Even if the flat numbers for two months mean the system has been frozen for two months, that not indicate that the EHH plan is failing.
Murphy Siding Euclid oltmannd Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000. What does this mean? The numbers are the "voice of the process". That the numbers have been virtually flat for about two months now means that what you see is what you get. They are no better than a year ago, pre-EHH. Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like. That seems like quite a leap. The numbers may be the voice of the process, but how do you know the process is now frozen? How do you know it isn't now frozen? The numbers being flat for 2 months would be the major clue.
How do you know it isn't now frozen? The numbers being flat for 2 months would be the major clue.
I don’t know if the process is or isn’t frozen. But I also don’t know what frozen duration Don is stipulating. He says, "what you see is what you get,” and "...this is what CSX under EHH will look Like.” That sounds like he is saying that the process is frozen for all time based on the numbers not moving for two months. That is was I consider to be a leap. Even if the flat numbers for two months mean the system has been frozen for two months, that not indicate that the EHH plan is failing.
You don't have to tell us what Don means. He's quite capable of that on his own and we all can read. Since it's all opinion, I'll take the opinion of someone with railroading in his background (Don) over someone without (You).
Nowhere have I tried to tell you or your "us" group what Don means. All I have done is characterize what his comments mean to me and why I regard them the way I do. I would be surprised if he were offended by my question. I don't care what his comments mean to you.
I beg to differ. For reference, I've marked your words in red. You must care what his words mean to someone as you are trying to explain what they mean to somebody.
The "someone" is me. It is only "I" that is asking what his words mean. When I say "it sounds like he means...", I mean it sounds that way to me. If anything, I was asking you, Don, or others to tell me what he means.
I have marked some words in his original post and quote it below. I understand perfectly what he is saying before the part made bold and highlighted in red. I have no idea what the part in red means:
"Just checked CSX numbers (from STB web site). Compared to a month ago, train speed down 0.3 mph. Dwell flat. Cars on Line up 2000.
Absent any new initiatives to get things moving, i.e. more locomotives, crews etc., this is what CSX under EHH will look like."
Hey, it's been quite a while since we've had enough quotes of quotes to wind up with one letter per line. We're getting close here.
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My greatest wonder going forward is what'll happen this winter. Harrison likes his long trains and the CSX of before liked them, too. But we all know hopes and wishes won't pump air on 15,000 feet of train at 15 degrees.
I'll be curious to see if the system melts back down this winter. It's a La Nina year so snowier and colder in the Great Lakes in particular.
CN and CP had DPU to make up for it. I'm actually kinda surprised it hasn't taken hold on CSX yet.
Inqiring minds can't wait to see what happens, one way or the other.
You know, I read Don's post several times and never found the word "frozen."
How I interpreted the post was that, despite EHH's exhortations that his efforts were going to make CSX a better railroad, there doesn't seem to be any improvement happening. If improvement was happening, one would tend to think that the standard measurements would be showing some consistent improvement, however slight.
Which would be to say that the current measurements may be the "new normal." They will vary, but unless they trend in an appropriate direction over several months, perhaps what you see now with CSX is what you're going to get.
To me, "frozen" implies that the current status is planned, rather than the result of how the railroad is being run. As was noted, though, if EHH's plan is to run the railroad into the ground, maybe that is an accurate assessment.
williamsbEHH does not report RPM the same as other class 1 RR's. When he was at CN they would not include CN's numbers. When they changed back to reporting the same as other class 1's CN's Terminal Dwell Time about doubled. They do not accept CP's or CSX's reporting now.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
I wouldn't say EHH's plan is failing. Assuming of course that the plan is to make service so bad that the business you don't really want goes away on it's own. I'd say he's ahead of the game compared to other class ones.
I've never cared for using velocity as a metric. I've noticed our velocity tends to get better as car loadings get worse.
Jeff
Famous Earl Weaver quote to umpire who he thought was blowing balls and strikes calls.
This is even less than I thought he could do, and I wasn't optomistic.
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