I am sorry, but you are the one who is discussing religion, not me. This Forum talkes about prayer. Because it discusses chapel cars, the role of Chaplains in military railroads, the attachment of specific railroaders to their church as part of their biographies, and much else. This is not religious discussion, any more than saying that soldiers in foxholes pray.
What the moderator clearly means is banning discussion of religous views. And I respect that position and do not discuss my theology, my evaluation of other's theology, why I respect other's, theology, why this respect is consistant with my own theology, or any content of the prayers. I had simply asked Ed for the name of his mother so I could mesh my prayers with those praying with me. This is not religious theology, simply my wish to be as effective as possible in helping Ed, by getting the cooperation of those around me.
YOU started the religious discussion by questioning the basis of my question. I venured to asnwer you in good faith while steering entirely away from theology and the theological reasons for the particular form of prayer that I adopt when praying with those around. I stayed completely from that subject. And I could say that if a local Holy Land Christian church were to ask me to attend services so I could give them acoustical advice, I would pray for Ed's health in that church as well, and try within the limits of my own theology, to conform to their form of prayer. This isn't religion per se, it is helping one's freinds as much as one can. You help in your way and I will help in mine. Can we please end this discussion now! Anything more and it is proof that you are simply using other's willingness to help, including helping you with your abilitiy to uin understand, to attack people who are trying to help.
But maybe I should apologize for giving a tentative answer to a problem that has troubled philosophers for years. Possibly that is what really annoyed you, and you consider it religion. I don't because secular philosophers have also discussed this problem. I consider it philosophy. But if it annoys you, I will steer clear of that topic in the future.
Firelock76'd just ask you to be a little circumspect in how you phrase your questions
Here's the thing. This message board has a prohibition on posting religious content. I don't advance my religious preferences on this board both out of respect to Kalmbach's request, AS WELL AS OUT OF RESPECT TO THOSE MEMBERS WHO LIKELY FEEL DIFFERENTLY THAN I DO.
I don't feel that those members here who have posted their intent to pray are showing the same respect in return, it's really that simple.
The first few times through, I just bit my lip, and thought "oh, it's their way of feeling like they are trying to do something for him, so let it ride"
BUT ONE MEMBER IN PARTICULAR, who we can tell from his other posts is intelligent, so he knows the rules and should know better, twice now has gone beyond mere sympathy, and expanded into the realm of religious debate (one form of prayer being superior to another, as well as claiming to have proof as to the effectiveness of prayer). Because this member is intelligent, one can only assume this is no accident, and that he is wittingly trying to move the needle over toward his preferred expectation of what should be allowed here. I understand that he participates in some formal structured religious program, so his outlook is significantly different than mine. That's fine, but I really think this is not the appropriate place for him to celebrate his faith. Especially in consideration of the publisher's stated preference to not have religious posts included on their board.
Is that plain, objective, and to the point enough for you?
Let me include an analogy to illustrate why I feel the way I do. Political content is likewise prohibited here. If I say "Today is election day, I've got to go out and vote"...that's really not political commentary. If However I start to elaborate on how voting one way might be more advantageous than another, I think you would agree that I've crossed the line, and have entered into the realm of political debate.
I'm really sorry that I didn't bring this up earlier when were were "praying" for John McCain in that other thread, so it wouldn't have to happen here. But tolerance is a funny thing. You try to have it until you discover that from other peoples' perspective, there may be no end in sight.
Firelock76 God bless you Ed and God speed your recovery! "Fly on, and fight on, until the last drop of fuel, until the last drop of blood, until the last beat of the heart." (Manfred von Richthofen)
God bless you Ed and God speed your recovery!
"Fly on, and fight on, until the last drop of fuel, until the last drop of blood, until the last beat of the heart."
(Manfred von Richthofen)
Being that Ed has discovered where the new Dreadnaught spaceships are being built, I'm guessing he will fly faster and farther that any of us can imagine.
OOO-RAH!
Firelock76 Convicted One Firelock76 you don't have to read their words. It was very thoughtful for you to give me that option, but my question is the product of heartfelt sincerity as well. Hope you will understand. Oh, I understand perfectly, I'd just ask you to be a little circumspect in how you phrase your questions. However, David didn't take any offense so neither will I. David's a class act, a scholar, and a gentleman of the old school. We'd all do well to emulate him.
Convicted One Firelock76 you don't have to read their words. It was very thoughtful for you to give me that option, but my question is the product of heartfelt sincerity as well. Hope you will understand.
Firelock76 you don't have to read their words.
It was very thoughtful for you to give me that option, but my question is the product of heartfelt sincerity as well. Hope you will understand.
Oh, I understand perfectly, I'd just ask you to be a little circumspect in how you phrase your questions.
However, David didn't take any offense so neither will I. David's a class act, a scholar, and a gentleman of the old school. We'd all do well to emulate him.
To what everyone has said, Well Said! This particular Thread has been a well-handled topic, and a discussion amongst a diverse group of individuals, who have come together in a reasonable discussion to comfort one whom we have all come to respect, and thus are concerned for his health, and to forward our diverse prayers for his recovery.
As we have all dealt with the 'sticky note' on top of the Thread; personally, I am really proud to be a part of a group that can handle a serious discussion; such as this one is. To handle it as a serious topic should be: our attempts to comfort in whatever way we can, a trying situation, being faced by someone we have learned to respect.
Get Well, Soon Ed, God Bless!
Convicted One daveklepper my prayers on your behalf might just possibly be even more effective if... You really believe that an omnipotent couldn't figure out what you intended the first time around?
daveklepper my prayers on your behalf might just possibly be even more effective if...
You really believe that an omnipotent couldn't figure out what you intended the first time around?
I accept the sincerity of your question and do not feel any antagonism.
Of course. But my using the same form as others praying in a congregation with me effectively add their prayers to mine and mine to theirs. That is the reason for using the common form.
Anyone with a belief in the Eternal can pray by himself or herself. But the idea of congregations is that then the whole community takes on the responsibility, not just the individual.
If you enjoy singing or playing a musical instrument, don't you enjoy it more when you have listeners? Or sing or play the instrument in group? Or have both?
Hope the moderator doesn't remove this for being religious, but I think the Eternal created Humankind because the Eternal was lonely.
Let's call it Philosophy and not religion.
zugmannSome people just don't
I guess that if there are topics that some people are uncomfortable discussing, then perhaps the BEST way to avoid that... might be to never bring it up in the first place?
Firelock76you don't have to read their words.
Firelock76Hey bro, I like your posts and that wonderfully morbid picture you post, but you don't have to be snarky.
Some people just don't have an off switch.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.t fun any
Yeah...don't take the bait guys and stay away from it.
Hey bro, I like your posts and that wonderfully morbid picture you post, but you don't have to be snarky.
If you don't like what David and some of the other posters have stated with heartfelt sincerity you don't have to read their words.
No insult intended, just sayin'.
I'd tell Ed I was praying for him too but my track record's not so good, everytime I prayed for something the answer was "No." Ed's in enough trouble as it is without me adding to it!
Thanks, will revise the prayer accordingly, Thanks
Emily Elizabeth....
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Ed, a teacher said that my prayers on your behalf might just possibly be even more effective if I used the established form, Ed, son of -mother's name-. Can you let me know? Either here on the forum thread or directly to
daveklepper@yahoo.com
Thank you for the privilege of doing my best to help.
One of our volunteers "didn't feel right," short of breath, would tire (more like be exhausted) after nine holes of golf, just wasn't himself.
Now, after a triple bypass, he's feeling better (as his rehab progresses).
It pays to pay attention to what your body is telling you.
Keeping an eye on your progress, Ed.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Best Wishes from here.
Thank You.
Ed keep up your fight and get better. My husband also is praying for you. He is also retired due to medical reasons. He knows that feeling of something and going hey I know how and where to go with it all the time. This man can and does plan our road trips to the point when we go anywhere we can beat Rand McNally on miles 60% of the freaking time.
edblysard Funny you say that…I just watched a train roll by heading into the PTRA, and couldn’t help but start to mentally take it apart. Had to stop myself there! I agree that there are several different, but reasonable voices here, and yours has always been one to listen to, it brings things to the table that often are missed. I will keep reading, just for that…
/quote] Ed:
Hope this finds you better; coping with any stage of a retirement can be difficult. Old habits are hard to walk away from. There is truth in the old statement about taking some one out of 'something', but never being able to take that 'something' out of the person.
I've been 'retired' since 2001. Still enjoy watching the trucks,[ and trains!] as they pass by.
Praying for that speedy recovery, after all, you are one; if not the only one (?)who has had a story published in TRAINS.
edblysardedblysard wrote the following post 7 hours ago: renaissance-man@sbcglobal.net should work now...
Ahh, I see. The missing c
renaissance-man@sbcglobal.net
should work now...
zardoz edblysard Okay, ya'll gonna have to go easy on the Mookie,,,My e-mail is renaissance-man@sbglobal.net Write me direct if ya would, ya'll are giving the Mookie overlord some...I will ansrewr, just takes time. Ed, I've tried twice to email you at the address you provided, but both attempts were returned as undelivered. Suggestions?
edblysard Okay, ya'll gonna have to go easy on the Mookie,,,My e-mail is renaissance-man@sbglobal.net Write me direct if ya would, ya'll are giving the Mookie overlord some...I will ansrewr, just takes time.
Okay, ya'll gonna have to go easy on the Mookie,,,My e-mail is
renaissance-man@sbglobal.net
Write me direct if ya would, ya'll are giving the Mookie overlord some...I will ansrewr, just takes time.
Ed, I've tried twice to email you at the address you provided, but both attempts were returned as undelivered.
Suggestions?
Ditto. My server made several attempts over about 12 hours until I got a terminal message, mailer-daemon error, undeliverable. I just copied and pasted what Ed had offered in the email where he posted his email address.
don't forget the hyphen....
She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw
Glad to hear you are doing somewhat better Ed. I always appreciate your posts, especially your Christmas story.
Will be praying for you and your family.
Although I'm late in saying it, my thoughts and prayers have been with you, Ed. I read Mookie's post within a few minutes after she wrote it. I was floored, to say the least. The timing of her post also threw me. I lost my father to a form of brain cancer on Sept 15 many years ago. His they found too late. It sounds like, and I hope and pray and expect this won't be the case with Ed. It's hard enough to except that when I scan a train list and see cars going to the PTRA that Ed won't be switching there. Harder even to contemplate a world without Ed.
That actually goes for all the regulars that I've had the priviledge of knowing on here. I may not agree with everyone at times and I've only met a few of you in person, but I consider you all to be friends.
Jeff
Ed
Get well soon brother.
stay safe
Joe
Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener").
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