QUOTE: Originally posted by BaltACD If I have to pay to communicate....I'm out of here. FREE speech!
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1 QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Well, well, well.... Be waiting for something like this for a while...was wondering when the pay to play idea would kick in... First, it will not keep the trolls out, especially the multi named one...he, or she, is here for a personal reason, and wont mind paying a small fee to cause trouble, in fact, once they pay, they will use that fact as a justification to be allowed to do so.... As for me, off the top of my head I can name three members who dont use a made up screen name, myself, Mark Hemphill, and Dan Harmon... Cant speak for them, but for myself, I figured that if I had an opinion or story I didnt mind sharing in public, then I shouldn't mind my name going with it. What you see in my profile is real, the railroad where I work is real, my name and email adress are real and correct...you got a beef with what I say here, either respond here, or email me and chew me out to your hearts content. I dont believe in censorship, but I do believe basic common courtsey, good manners, and respect towards others, no matter how far from my point of view they might stand. Not to say my slate is pristine. And yes, there are some, not to name names, well, ok, some like Clevelandrocks, who show up here, and stick out their chins, begging someone to pop them a good one, and it would appear there are quite a few who don't mind to oblige them. Then there are the trainfinder, kissmycaboose, hot and itchy, cinderdick...those who sole purpose was to take the enjoyment out of this place...they succeded quite well at that. With that in mind, it now appears I will have to pay to read garbarge posted by the trolls...hummm.... They already have managed to drive a few good posters away, and have succeded in making this place no where near as much fun as it was a year ago. It used to be I logged on to see who was here, and have a good time discussing the hobby and industry which I make a living at... but now, the first thing I see is the moron page, you know, page 1, where the trolls have managed to creat enough problems and enough dissent that their postings and threads have almost the entire front page to themselves, and the interesting stuff, you know, the real reason most of us came here, are two pages back. Anyone see wabash1 here? How about Scottydog? He got tired of it last year and left, hasnt been back since.... If you think about it, quite a few members, who contributed a lot, have quitely left, and not returned, and for good reason. Remember when Mookie had a whole bunch of interesting questions, and got a whole bunch of interesting replies? Remember when Matt and Mookie "fought" over the chocolate cake, and both of them won? When was the last time one of Mookies questions was on the top of page one? Not for a while, because before anyone got around to answering her question, they would run off to bite on troll bait. Guess it tasted better than the cake? Remember when we came here to talk about trains and the people who run them, not tripe and the people who write it? We, by responding to the bait the trollers throw out, have allowed them to degrade this forum to the level of a teenage chat room, where the only thing of interest is is who is slamming who, and what new insults can we come up with. It used to be, when you turned on my computer, Trains.com was the front page, it came up automaticly on default...not any more, I replaced it with Google, because a blank search engine holds more promise of fun...I have to look for this page now. Why? Because I noticed I dont bother to look as often as I used too, and post even less, after reading Bergies posting on Classic Trains, I realized why. The trolls have won, if not by sheer numbers, by assimilation...we are becomming them. I used to come here to have fun, enjoy discussions with people of like interest, and read the intelligent, often funny comments about my industry...it was a well kept secret, a place with a good group of smart people who enjoyed each others company...not anymore.... I was going to say if Kalmbach can add their forum fee to my subscriptions,(I take three of their magazines) fine, but after a few minutes thought, I dont think it is worth even that, after all, I can see adults act and speak like children all day long at work, for free. If the fee idea does happen, then I dont see the sense of paying to have a forum membership on a forum I chose to not read regular anymore...because the people who made it interesting and fun, have all been run off. I know of at least one person who dosnt have a computer at home, she logs in here from work, so the pay to play wont work, the accounting dept most likely will kick it back at her...so one of the most interesting people here will be gone. Sad it comes to that. For what its worth, it was a pretty fun ride, I made some good friends, met a few of you in person, enjoyed it a lot, and, when this was a forum, not a verbal train wreck, I learned a lot I didnt know, about trains, people, and myself.. Sooo...guess I will see ya on the next run, you guys have a safe trip and a good Christmas...stay cut in. Ed My slate wasn't all that clean either until Hemphill and Limitedclear showed that I needed the maturity indeed. By the way which Matt are you refereing to with the chocolate cake fight? My sceen name derives from a pinniped(seal) that I've named for a long time. If I used my real name, I could have identitiy theft by these __________ trolls. If one needs to vent, do so at the thickest wall that one can find. . .
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Well, well, well.... Be waiting for something like this for a while...was wondering when the pay to play idea would kick in... First, it will not keep the trolls out, especially the multi named one...he, or she, is here for a personal reason, and wont mind paying a small fee to cause trouble, in fact, once they pay, they will use that fact as a justification to be allowed to do so.... As for me, off the top of my head I can name three members who dont use a made up screen name, myself, Mark Hemphill, and Dan Harmon... Cant speak for them, but for myself, I figured that if I had an opinion or story I didnt mind sharing in public, then I shouldn't mind my name going with it. What you see in my profile is real, the railroad where I work is real, my name and email adress are real and correct...you got a beef with what I say here, either respond here, or email me and chew me out to your hearts content. I dont believe in censorship, but I do believe basic common courtsey, good manners, and respect towards others, no matter how far from my point of view they might stand. Not to say my slate is pristine. And yes, there are some, not to name names, well, ok, some like Clevelandrocks, who show up here, and stick out their chins, begging someone to pop them a good one, and it would appear there are quite a few who don't mind to oblige them. Then there are the trainfinder, kissmycaboose, hot and itchy, cinderdick...those who sole purpose was to take the enjoyment out of this place...they succeded quite well at that. With that in mind, it now appears I will have to pay to read garbarge posted by the trolls...hummm.... They already have managed to drive a few good posters away, and have succeded in making this place no where near as much fun as it was a year ago. It used to be I logged on to see who was here, and have a good time discussing the hobby and industry which I make a living at... but now, the first thing I see is the moron page, you know, page 1, where the trolls have managed to creat enough problems and enough dissent that their postings and threads have almost the entire front page to themselves, and the interesting stuff, you know, the real reason most of us came here, are two pages back. Anyone see wabash1 here? How about Scottydog? He got tired of it last year and left, hasnt been back since.... If you think about it, quite a few members, who contributed a lot, have quitely left, and not returned, and for good reason. Remember when Mookie had a whole bunch of interesting questions, and got a whole bunch of interesting replies? Remember when Matt and Mookie "fought" over the chocolate cake, and both of them won? When was the last time one of Mookies questions was on the top of page one? Not for a while, because before anyone got around to answering her question, they would run off to bite on troll bait. Guess it tasted better than the cake? Remember when we came here to talk about trains and the people who run them, not tripe and the people who write it? We, by responding to the bait the trollers throw out, have allowed them to degrade this forum to the level of a teenage chat room, where the only thing of interest is is who is slamming who, and what new insults can we come up with. It used to be, when you turned on my computer, Trains.com was the front page, it came up automaticly on default...not any more, I replaced it with Google, because a blank search engine holds more promise of fun...I have to look for this page now. Why? Because I noticed I dont bother to look as often as I used too, and post even less, after reading Bergies posting on Classic Trains, I realized why. The trolls have won, if not by sheer numbers, by assimilation...we are becomming them. I used to come here to have fun, enjoy discussions with people of like interest, and read the intelligent, often funny comments about my industry...it was a well kept secret, a place with a good group of smart people who enjoyed each others company...not anymore.... I was going to say if Kalmbach can add their forum fee to my subscriptions,(I take three of their magazines) fine, but after a few minutes thought, I dont think it is worth even that, after all, I can see adults act and speak like children all day long at work, for free. If the fee idea does happen, then I dont see the sense of paying to have a forum membership on a forum I chose to not read regular anymore...because the people who made it interesting and fun, have all been run off. I know of at least one person who dosnt have a computer at home, she logs in here from work, so the pay to play wont work, the accounting dept most likely will kick it back at her...so one of the most interesting people here will be gone. Sad it comes to that. For what its worth, it was a pretty fun ride, I made some good friends, met a few of you in person, enjoyed it a lot, and, when this was a forum, not a verbal train wreck, I learned a lot I didnt know, about trains, people, and myself.. Sooo...guess I will see ya on the next run, you guys have a safe trip and a good Christmas...stay cut in. Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by cbt141 most of the trouble with "unwanted threads" is due to offended members bothering to respond to them. please, ignore vexatious comments. the offenders probably will not go away, but they will lose their energy if not engaged in debate...and at least the rest of us can easily sort through the debris. as it stands now to read a thread a person needs to scan the trash and then scan all the responses to the trash. there is more ink wasted on asking/demanding others to conform than there is ink wasted on silly remarks from trouble makers. the site has gotten into a vicious cycle of "stop sayiing that/ no i won't" garbage. the folks being asked to behave are not going to do it. will not happen. in fact, they will feel set upon and consequently become more troublesome. meanwhile, everybody else needs to suffer the back and forth exchanges of pleas and mandates. this is not a church...we are not all required to believe and conform on peril of our souls. please, just ignore contrary opinions. love the other guy. leave him alone.
RJ
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1 Just looking at all the posts makes me wonder if i am being a hog with all the messages . . .
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Bergie QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1 There are some who don't access their inboxes too often, or sometimes there are system glitches, so the time day thing may not work. However, how does one unlock an account? Tell me the account, and I'll take a look and let you know why it was locked. Bergie
QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1 There are some who don't access their inboxes too often, or sometimes there are system glitches, so the time day thing may not work. However, how does one unlock an account?
QUOTE: Originally posted by FThunder11 Just remeber, you have teenagers and younger people, who, first, dont have credit cards, and second are only here to learn about trains. Yes my parents subscribe to Trains and Modle Railroader, but I know if you make us pay, I'm outta here, because i sure as heck dont have aredit card, and my parents aren't giving it out over the net, so if thats the way its gonna be, then once that comes into play, I'm gone.
QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton Bergie, Arriving at the office with ten hours of work to finish by a 5pm deadline and then finding e-mails about trash on the forums doesn't sound like much fun. I wouldn't oppose a modest fee for myself, but I would hate to see that knock out some, especially the school age kids that show genuine interest in railroads. As far as the moderating function-heck, shoot and ask questions later. If someone felt that you weren't fair you have a mailbox, let them contact you. Jay Eaton
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon If there is to be a fee, and I am not promoting that idea, I would prefer the method Mr Fish floated, ie. considered part of the price of a magazine subscription for current Kalmbach subscribers with our subscriber number used to register. Any actual fees would be assessed to non-subscribers..
QUOTE: Originally posted by piouslion Bergie, No one respects decorum in the forum more than I. From what I have seen, those that come in to cause a "unnessary rukus" are delt with and in the case of most of the three, four and five stars they show a since of class that is rarely out of line. If they do go out line (out of order, to use an antiquated phrase), appologies are often either public or emailed and from what I can see are accepted.
QUOTE: Originally posted by jabrown1971 I have to say, that except for my responses to the Grumpy man from the other night, I have posted what I feel are decent and respectable posts. I never try to purposely put anyone down and try to get them to think outside the boundaries. I apologize for participating the other night and am sorry. Thanks for not tossing me out Bergie. NOW-I like trains.com a lot, currently subscribe to MR but Trains lapsed long ago-1991 to be exact, and MR is aboout to expire to. I feel that If I am required to pay by Credit/Debit card, then no thanks. Answering a question that would get you a membership is okay, but you shouldn't have to buy anything to be a member. As for not taking Yahoo, MSN, Hotmail email accts. Well that's not cool either. While I have a valid e-mail account from my employer, I don't think they would be too happy if that was the email I provided for this site. OVerall, I have to say that the few people who come on here to cause trouble is small. Dealing with them on an individual basis is a better choice. Bergie, perhaps a better way to do this is to sift through all known email addresses and ask for a response from that person. If none received in a timely manner-1-3-5 days lock them out. Thanks
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear As just the token cranky ol' railroad guy on this board, I have to say that if it is going to become another TO style pay per view I'm not interested. This site is generally fun and has a good group of folks overall. Unfortunately, there are a few who need to get with the program or get on down the road... I already pay enough just to be on the net. Also, although many of you know some things about me I'd prefer not to reveal my true identity for several reasons. If that becomes a prerequisite for membership I'll have to go elserwhere. I don't maintain multiple identities, so that is not the issue. LC
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QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal I agree, this forum should have more moderators. Honestly, if I have to pay, I'm out of here.
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