BaltACDFigures you have presented represent a train every 12 minutes through a 24 hour day with just METRA & CP. In your mind how much time foot print does your HSR train require? Where does that time come from? How is that time 'manufactured' within the existing commitments? Details! Details! Details!
So I'll help you out here. Figure 32 METRA trains per corridor 96 total.....very rough approximation. 32 split off at the West Line cutoff.......reducing the total to 64 METRA trains North on the North Line, 32 terminate at Rondout or shortly before and 32 continue onto the NW line blocking the Southbound main as they cross over from Northbound track and run a short distance on the Southbound track opposing traffic (Schlimm stated earlier this was not factual......so in his case we will say they float across to the NW line).
So double track reverse CTC line can handle what at full capacity? 128 trains, not sure and I didn't Google but it is North of 120 somewhere I think. A rail guy should know that........right? What about three tracks? When was the last time you heard a rail guy bring that up in these forums? Some point about quality of discussion I am trying to make here and why I continued this argument so long......I am giving much better than I am getting back.
There is track capacity North of CUS, I don't think METRA uses it creatively though and hence you have delayed Amtrak trains.
CMStPnP ..........All I am saying is METRA dispatching gives priority to METRA trains and that is a problem when your attempting to establish HSR. METRA could do a better job by prioritizing HSR trains but the fact is it won't and that is the issue.........
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CMStPnP BaltACD So I'll help you out here. Figure 32 METRA trains per corridor 96 total.....very rough approximation. 32 split off at the West Line cutoff.......reducing the total to 64 METRA trains North on the North Line, 32 terminate at Rondout or shortly before and 32 continue onto the NW line blocking the Southbound main as they cross over from Northbound track and run a short distance on the Southbound track opposing traffic (Schlimm stated earlier this was not factual......so in his case we will say they float across to the NW line). So double track reverse CTC line can handle what at full capacity? 128 trains, not sure and I didn't Google but it is North of 120 somewhere I think. A rail guy should know that........right? What about three tracks? When was the last time you heard a rail guy bring that up in these forums? Some point about quality of discussion I am trying to make here and why I continued this argument so long......I am giving much better than I am getting back. There is track capacity North of CUS, I don't think METRA uses it creatively though and hence you have delayed Amtrak trains.
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CMStPnPCMStPnP wrote the following post 2 hours ago: BTW, the WisDOT studies on this Corridor are available via Google. All you guys pulling stats out of thin air on train frequency, dispatching, etc. and accusing me of doing so when you haven't used your accusatory fingers to use the tools at hand on the Internet to check your own posts........it's good for comedy but there is a lesson here..... you should make sure your house is not glass before throwing stones.
WisDOT studies? CSS&SBHegewisch "pulled his numbers" from Metra and other railroad sources, pal. "The METRA Milwaukee District North Line timetable currently shows 30 trains daily in each direction (60 in total). Add CP freights, a daily Wisconsin & Southern round trip to Clearing, plus Amtrak schedules, and you can see that some pretty sharp dispatching is required for a double track main line. As has been pointed out by others in this thread, perfect dispatching that keeps everything on time is difficult to achieve for a variety of reasons." You are simply unwilling to admit you really don't know what you are talking about.
Even the WisDOT study indicates that the current route has heavy freight traffic, as well as the above Metra service. And the proposed so-called HSR service is nothing of the sort. The speed limit north of Rondout would be raised from 79 mph to 90 mph and cut the running time a whopping TWO MINUTES. What a joke!!
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CMStPnP n012944 If you are talking about me, my expertise is in the now. Is that why your posting an article from 1944 in an attempt to support your arguing position?
n012944 If you are talking about me, my expertise is in the now.
Is that why your posting an article from 1944 in an attempt to support your arguing position?
It wasn't to "support my arguing position". It was in reference to Balt's post, the "slow to 90" signs. Nothing to do with you, or Metra's current dispatching style. There is more than one conversation going on here.
CMStPnPI know your trying hard to convince me but you haven't.
I am not trying to convince you of anything. As I said in my last post, you are an expert in your own mind, without knowing many facts. There is no convincing people like that. What I am trying to do is make sure OTHER forum readers understand that is the case. They should know that your ideas are in many cases unworkable, and without institutional knowledge.
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CMStPnPFigure 32 METRA trains per corridor 96 total.....very rough approximation. 32 split off at the West Line cutoff.......reducing the total to 64 METRA trains North on the North Line, 32 terminate at Rondout or shortly before and 32 continue onto the NW line
Using Metra TTs, there are 29 Metra trains each way (58 total) on the Metra UP-W line daily, which MD-N and MD-W and NCS line trains cross over near Western Avenue. Those 3 Metra routes carry 60, 56 and 22 trains total daily. That makes a grand total of 196 Metra trains which the Hiawatha service may encounter at different points in transit, not 96.
And watch your attempts at putting words in other posters' mouths. You repeatedly do it, so perhaps it is part of your disability.
schlimmUsing Metra TTs, there are 29 Metra trains each way (58 total) on the Metra UP-W line daily, which MD-N and MD-W and NCS line trains cross over near Western Avenue. Those 3 Metra routes carry 60, 56 and 22 trains total daily. That makes a grand total of 196 Metra trains which the Hiawatha service may encounter at different points in transit, not 96.
They specifically mention the problem areas of obstruction. Western Avenue is not one of them and only very limited mention of the single Wisconsin and Southern train on the way to BRC (not a huge issue from it's limited mention, they are more concerned with METRA trains on the NW line). They mention specifically a a long coal train on the way to the UP-Line sitting on METRA tracks (lol, ohh you have to chuckle at the intelligence behind that) and extending the UP lead track there.
Amtrak considers a Hiawatha Service ontime if it arrives within 10 min of it's schedule on the timetable, thats why it has a high on time percent. On the load factor comment earlier, 5 of the 14 trains have capacity issues with standing room only, specifically at the line segment between Sturtevant and Glenview. So I wonder at how their load factor is calculated now because that is slighly over 30% of the trains on the route.
Also, 90 mph is a intermediate state in a incremental plan. They want to reach 90 mph with minimal investment in METRA infrastructure.....can't blame them there.
Amazingly in Milwaukee the CTC does not extend through the Milwaukee Depot and they do not like the fact CP trains are using it as a through route. They mention extending CTC through Muskego Yard from cutoff tower through the yard and to where it rejoins the main line and using Muskego Yard as a CP Rail train holding area. They also mention a METRA territory signalling issue where expedited frieght trains have a 60 mph speed limit and "all other" frieght trains have a 50 mph limit and said the issue is just a 12 mile gap in signaling South of Rondout........which is rather interesting but they said it was cheap to fix and would have a positive impact.
Oh please you should have been suspended like 20 posts ago for trolling the discussion forum and your cherry picking out of reports, out of context no less.... to support your argument........ thats real grown up.
schlimm CMStPnP Amazing that the guy with no railroad experience is the first to point that out. Not amazing at all that a guy who is in denial of his reading comprehension deficits refuses to accept that his statements are illogical, tangential and contrafactual.
CMStPnP Amazing that the guy with no railroad experience is the first to point that out.
Not amazing at all that a guy who is in denial of his reading comprehension deficits refuses to accept that his statements are illogical, tangential and contrafactual.
Isn't this the same individual that claimed that there were rivers carrying pollution North from Illinois into Wisconsin?
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