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CSX Management in talks with Hunter Harrison over hiring conditions
Posted by CMStPnP on Monday, January 30, 2017 8:33 AM

Oh-oh, here we go.    Penn-Central revisited.    

I don't think he is going to find a similar receptive operating culture on CSX then he had on those Western RR's.....which tend to be more CAN DO.    Just a theory I have that if he moves to CSX it will be major culture clash.    We'll see though.

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Posted by schlimm on Monday, January 30, 2017 9:05 AM

My guess is that if he goes to CSX, a lot of upper mgmt will be shown the door.

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Posted by PNWRMNM on Monday, January 30, 2017 9:11 AM

St. Paul,

Do you have a credible source for this claim?

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Posted by schlimm on Monday, January 30, 2017 9:28 AM

Speaking for myself (but I think the same is true for CMStPnP) the opinions are based on HHH's history and the current situation at CSX, as well as the typical scenario in other similar corporate situations.  It's not based on sources or rumors.

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Posted by Dakguy201 on Monday, January 30, 2017 9:34 AM

I wonder if our Canadian cousins have the ability to prevent anything resembling a merger of CSX and CP.  That surely would be the end game here.   I suspect they do and have my doubts that any combination would pass their sniff test.

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Posted by Ulrich on Monday, January 30, 2017 11:05 AM

A merger would likely be his end game; however, I doubt now that a Canadian road would be his primary merger target. A merger, if one is going to happen, would likely involve CSX and UP or BNSF. 

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Posted by LensCapOn on Monday, January 30, 2017 1:09 PM

Ulrich

A merger would likely be his end game; however, I doubt now that a Canadian road would be his primary merger target. A merger, if one is going to happen, would likely involve CSX and UP or BNSF. 

 

Hey!  What about KCS!!

 

And would UP/BNSF WANT CSX? What's in it for them?

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Posted by Ulrich on Monday, January 30, 2017 4:39 PM

Seamless nationwide service would benefit both parties to the merger.. at least EHH seems to think so. Maybe KCS too, who knows... 

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Posted by CMStPnP on Monday, January 30, 2017 4:50 PM

PNWRMNM

St. Paul,

Do you have a credible source for this claim?

Mac

Put your Mouse over the NEWS menu at the top of this page and read the article next to the Hunter Harrison extended gut.........I mean photo.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Monday, January 30, 2017 4:52 PM

schlimm

Speaking for myself (but I think the same is true for CMStPnP) the opinions are based on HHH's history and the current situation at CSX, as well as the typical scenario in other similar corporate situations.  It's not based on sources or rumors.

See my post above.   There is a Source but if I link to it I am going to read about three posts from people that do not have access to read it because they are not subscribers or something to that effect.    I thought you had to be a subscriber to post on this Forum but I am not sure.

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Posted by Convicted One on Monday, January 30, 2017 7:19 PM

PNWRMNM

 

Do you have a credible source for this claim?

Mac

 

 

LINK

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, January 30, 2017 8:00 PM

Convicted One

 

 
PNWRMNM

 

Do you have a credible source for this claim?

Mac

 

 

 

 

LINK

 

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Posted by PNWRMNM on Monday, January 30, 2017 8:06 PM

CMStPnP
 
PNWRMNM

St. Paul,

Do you have a credible source for this claim?

Mac

 

 

Put your Mouse over the NEWS menu at the top of this page and read the article next to the Hunter Harrison extended gut.........I mean photo.

 

 

Thank you, and Convicted One.

Your headline is third hand and unfortunately the source you copied it from, Bill Stevens, inverted the cause and effect, or the horse and the cart if you prefer. The investor group/hedge fund Mantle Ridge is the entity that is driving the process and has presumably hired Harrison as their railroad expert/boogyman. Mantle wants three (of 12) seats on the CSX board. Harrison is one of the tools in Mantle Ridge's tool box. The point is this is not Harrison's doing as your and Stevens' headline implies.

I believe Harrison runs a large risk of ending up with egg on his face if Mantle Ridge succeds and installs him as CEO. The current management at CSX has already bogged it down with monster trains on 28 hour "day" cycles. The big train strategy can go only so far and I believe CSX has gone as far as it can, and perhaps too far. Service reliability still counts for carload traffic which means getting trains in and out of yards on time. If Harrison continues down the big train road I fear quality will suffer more than it already has driving additional traffic to the highway and depressing earnings.

Of course he could surprise us all and go to somewhat shorter trains on a 24 hour or less cycle. With the current traffic downturn there is relatively more main line capacity to support that strategy.

Bring popcorn!

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Posted by kgbw49 on Monday, January 30, 2017 11:05 PM

Potential disposition via short line lease or abandonment:

B&O between Seymour IN and St. Louis

B&O west of Cumberland MD through WV

Clinchfield

All coal branches in KY, VA or WV

Mobile AL to Tallahassee FL

Atlanta GA to Augusta GA

Major downgrade - C & O from Cincinnati OH to Newport News VA

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Posted by WM7471 on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 3:04 PM

kgbw49

Potential disposition via short line lease or abandonment:

B&O between Seymour IN and St. Louis

B&O west of Cumberland MD through WV

Clinchfield

All coal branches in KY, VA or WV

Mobile AL to Tallahassee FL

Atlanta GA to Augusta GA

Major downgrade - C & O from Cincinnati OH to Newport News VA

 

 

Also:

Former Western Maryland "Dutch Line" - Hagerstown to Baltimore

and possibly even the B & O "Old Main Line" Point of Rocks, MD to Relay MD.

I would doubt the portion of the C & O main from Richmond to Newport News will be downgraded, but west of Richmond ?????

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 3:08 PM

While we are at it - just abandon all of CSX - and all the traffic that is hauled.  That will save a bunch of money and put 30K jobs on EHH's scalp.

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Posted by csxns on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 4:37 PM

BaltACD
just abandon all of CSX

Better yet just abandon all the american railroads and put it all on the interstates.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 4:38 PM

csxns
Better yet just abandon all the american railroads and put it all on the interstates.

Absolutely!  After all, nobody ships anything by rail any more, do they?

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Posted by schlimm on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 4:50 PM

It is interesting how all those ultra "free market" types on here seem to reject the proven successful business approach of H. Harrison (as measured by profitability and operating ratio), seen throughout his long career.

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Posted by csxns on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 4:53 PM

schlimm
reject the successful business approach oh Harrison (as measured by profitability and operating ratio).

I agree.

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Posted by zugmann on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 4:54 PM

 I just roll my eyes how on one breath people say that the railroads have to adapt/change/evolve into the new economy, yet in the next breath - they want to hire the same old executive that has been doing the same thing for the past couple decades. 

But what do I know...I believe there's more to a RR than operating ratios, and expecting record setting profits every quarter is unrealistic in the real world that exists outside of stockholder reports.  

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by schlimm on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 5:22 PM

zugmann

 I just roll my eyes how on one breath people say that the railroads have to adapt/change/evolve into the new economy, yet in the next breath - they want to hire the same old executive that has been doing the same thing for the past couple decades. 

But what do I know...I believe there's more to a RR than operating ratios, and expecting record setting profits every quarter is unrealistic in the real world that exists outside of stockholder reports.  

 

Well, of course, because railroads are not just a business, but a vital part of national infrastructure.  But that subtle point, as seen in their original charters, has gotten lost in our mania for the short-term and bottom line.

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 5:51 PM

Agree with Schlimm on that point, however, they seemed to have lost sight of that with the New York Central, Pennsy, Rock Island, Milwaukee Road...what were they? ..Lionel train sets? Extinction and near extinction. 

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Posted by schlimm on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 6:17 PM

Some reduction of duplicate and no longer useful lines (as opposed to not profitable enough) was sensible.  But we have turned a transportaion infrastructure system into a mostly bulk cargo and train-load set of carriers linking about a dozen or so nodes.

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Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:49 PM

No No No No No No NOOOOOOO! as a shareholder No! as a rider No! as a custumer No...As a commuter No!

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:58 PM

schlimm

Some reduction of duplicate and no longer useful lines (as opposed to not profitable enough) was sensible.  But we have turned a transportaion infrastructure system into a mostly bulk cargo and train-load set of carriers linking about a dozen or so nodes.

 

Are you seeing that as something other than evolution of the transportation system in our country?

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Posted by schlimm on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 8:03 PM

Murphy Siding

 

 
schlimm

Some reduction of duplicate and no longer useful lines (as opposed to not profitable enough) was sensible.  But we have turned a transportaion infrastructure system into a mostly bulk cargo and train-load set of carriers linking about a dozen or so nodes.

 

 

 

Are you seeing that as something other than evolution of the transportation system in our country?

 

 

Some would see it as evolution, which implies progressive change.  Not sure that I would.  So much has been lost.  But if you see what has happened as progress, then you should be cheering on Harrison.  He'll lop off many CSX lines and make it more profitable.

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:28 PM

Your new President is the kind of guy that would say "Ok, it's fine to rip up lines wherever you want, but, for every mile you tear up you must employ 2 more people on your railroad". What a hoot that would be. 

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 7:52 AM

schlimm
 
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schlimm

Some reduction of duplicate and no longer useful lines (as opposed to not profitable enough) was sensible.  But we have turned a transportaion infrastructure system into a mostly bulk cargo and train-load set of carriers linking about a dozen or so nodes.

 

 

 

Are you seeing that as something other than evolution of the transportation system in our country?

 

 

 

 

Some would see it as evolution, which implies progressive change.  Not sure that I would.  So much has been lost.  But if you see what has happened as progress, then you should be cheering on Harrison.  He'll lop off many CSX lines and make it more profitable.

 

I feel you're trying to put words in my mouth and suspect that you think I'm trying to put words in your mouth. That's not the case. I'm just trying to visualize this from the perspective of a subjective, third party with no real interest in railroads- something neither you nor I can profess to have.

 

 

       For an outsider looking in, doesn't the current condition of the railroad industry appear to be what it is now because it evolved into this over the years?  From that perspective, guys like Hunter Harrsion and Equity Funds Managers seem like just part of the evolutionary process.  We who are a little more interested in the subject-for a lot of reason and from varying perspectives no doubt- may see things differently than those looking at simply $ and quick profits.  Evolution,  by nature, has winners and losers.

 

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Posted by schlimm on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 9:34 AM

I guess I am using the term "evolution" in a more strict sense of meaning. I do not see the direction the rails have been steered as progress for the whole nation.

 

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