Thank You.
That was good, thanks for posting it.
I wonder if there's a way to save this locally for future viewing? My usual program for such tasks, "aTube Catcher", isn't doing it.
OT.
CP gets a fridge and hotplate, on CN we get a microwave as well.
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
tree68 Miningman Air conditioning, stereo, leather seats, quad stokers. Don't forget the fridge... Can probably do without the hotplate and microwave...
Miningman Air conditioning, stereo, leather seats, quad stokers.
Don't forget the fridge... Can probably do without the hotplate and microwave...
Aren't hotplates and refrigerators required on Canadian locomotives?
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
MiningmanAir conditioning, stereo, leather seats, quad stokers.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
BaltACDDoes a firebox get to a size where it loses efficiency?
Not if proper design principles are followed. The immediate design constraint is how you get fuel "in", at the right rate and to the right places, and how you get any 'unreacted' products (ash, soot, levitated unburned particles, etc.) out. The secondary consideration is to balance water circulation with steam generation in that area; as with power boilers this can get very complicated at less than 'full design power' or high turndown. Then you get considerations of thermal expansion, fabrication and weight, and removal of scale or other effects of water treatment.
Deep fireboxes (as in NDG's illustration) are relatively easier to make larger than Challenger-style (shallow, over the rear driver pairs) as there are limits to how far forward a fireman can rake out dead spots and manage the fire -- especially when the grate can't be angled so the natural movement of the engine shakes down the heel and moves the fire forward. It can be surprising to note just how efficient deep fireboxes can be, even if relatively narrow (e.g. sized to fit between drivers on standard gauge); see the French 240P). The Garratts (and some other types of articulated locomotive such as Meyers and the N&W TE-1) have the best of both worlds, as they combine the ability to carry a very wide firebox with the ability to drop grate level as far toward the railhead as ash-handling (or firepan) requirements allow.
In my opinion a good Cunningham circulator setup would be preferable to arch tubes or Nicholsons 'doing the same thing' -- I am not sure that late practice with things like chamber syphons on high-nominal-pressure boilers, as was tried in the late '40s, was actually very successful.
MiningmanMake it so! CPR 2-10-10-6 Air conditioning, stereo, leather seats, quad stokers.
Air conditioning, stereo, leather seats, quad stokers.
Does a firebox get to a size where it loses efficiency?
Make it so! CPR 2-10-10-6
There has never been a more magnificient machine than the steam engine...ever.
All those Northern Pacific steamers lined up ready to be torched. A scene repeated across all of North America. How many did we chop up? 100,000?
Oh geez... the politicos have likely washed their hands of it and it's done "for generations" to come as they state. 'Kick the can down the road' as they say. I suppose we should take whatever good we can from this. Better than it was, appearance wise.
Dude, keep us updated on the 5080 from time to time. Still smarting a bit that it's gone from Prince Albert, it was my good luck charm, but it's in good hands now.
NDG PS. To all In Charge of laying up a steam locomotive over winter. DO NOT forget to clean all residue inside Smoke Box!!
Great advice, we make sure to thoroughly dry and clean out 1392 for each winter layup. She has a (washout?) plug on the bottom of the smokebox, which is removed during the winter.
In case you haven't seen this, the 6218 news is not as rosy as I had first hoped:
http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41026&start=30
I stand by my statement about a black bucket, that's what we have used on Northern Alberta #73 for many years, and it works just fine.
Also, more news and photos RE: CN 5080:
http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=43226
FYI.
Exceptionally good news. The Queen of the rails. She always stood apart. Last time I saw her it was an awful sight.
Very tragic, amazing how easy it was (and still is, see Amtrak in South Carolina) to cause a fatal accident by leaving a switch improperly lined. And no signals or radios back then.
Now for some happier news, I missed this when it came out last fall, looks like the cosmetic restoration of CN 6218 is progressing well in Fort Erie:
https://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/news-story/8955120-first-phase-of-steam-engine-restoration-nearly-complete/
https://forterieobserver.ca/2018/10/first-stage-of-cn-6218-repairs-unveiled/
Looking good!
Once again, great information
Thanks Dude. My senior students will be going to Snow Lake ( HBM&S) and Thompson (Vale) Apr 21-30. Should be able to get some good info from the locals as to how it's all going.
1392 still has both those plates in the proper locations. The superheater plate is bronze, the boiler plate has been painted but I believe it is steel.
As it happened, 1392 managed to keep her original number throughout her life, as CN adopted and expanded Canadian Northern's numbering and classification schemes.
If the opportunity arose I would love to get ahold of 1395, but the transportation costs from Michigan would be prohibitive.
And for Miningman, someone still cares about northern Manitoba:
http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=37164
Thank You
BaltACD NDG FYI. Bridge Hit by Barge. Brazil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-j8tjploJg Thank You
NDG FYI. Bridge Hit by Barge. Brazil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-j8tjploJg Thank You
NDG At some point CNR applied Emergency Brake Valves above the right hand cab door on steam locomotives, their Operating Handle on the OUTSIDE.. http://trainiax.net/photos/2005/2005-10-27-expo/photo-cn4100-2-2005-10-27-expo.JPG Sometimes Stenciled, and painted RED. Emergency Valve above door. Stenciled. https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/1/917432/c4241611-be71-4b53-ba21-9a755c26196c-A27300.jpg More. https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/1/916969/a5874056-19e5-4730-a757-c7c68b345b70-A27249.jpg Has SWINGING Bell. https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/1/916959/be8d4953-86ca-4a95-96c0-90e320048c22-A27248.jpg https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/1/916978/a56c5419-c852-4ef3-884e-640e52bbca39-A27250.jpg C. 1949 CN Applied RAISED Cast Iron Numbers to cab sides. https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/1/917506/67cdd951-d5d2-4c6d-90a8-0ff6d62209d3-A27308.jpg Some Diesels got them. https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5468/8800959796_101bf5cf15_b.jpg http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/gtw79.jpg Boston Bar. http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cnr_diesel/7964.jpg Check out Caboose! http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cnr_diesel/NW2.htm
1392 has raised numbers on her cab as well, but they are not cast iron. Instead they are BRASS, original to the engine from 1913. Unfortunately they were painted yellow in error around 10 years ago, but we hope to remove the paint one day, very carefully.
Our NW2 unfortunately lost her raised, cast numerals before being donated, but may be the last CN example left. Still runs, despite suffering severe engine damage from at least two separate freezing incidents over the years:
https://www.alamy.com/stock-image-cn-sw900-7944-at-the-cn-engine-facilities-in-winnipeg-manitoba-in-166294550.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4rkbDXvUTM
All the creaking is our rarely used 60 lb rail complaining about being woken up.
7944 originally looked like this. Ugh:
http://img09.deviantart.net/1fb9/i/2014/005/9/0/cnr_nw2_7944_by_bwan69-d710i6v.jpg
To me it looks like "in memory of fellow employees who lost their lives to war". CP erected similar memorials too. My guess is that it is a list of WWII casulties.
But I have never been to Melville, so cannot confirm anything.
More photos and info on CN 5080:
NDGFYI. Bridge Hit by Barge. Brazil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-j8tjploJg Thank You
Bridge columns didn't look to be in very good condition -
The memorial says " In memory of fellow employees who lost their lives..xxxx... cannot make out the last word/date.
I would call the station at Melville and ask someone for specifics.
Yeah ' Canada's Largest Railway' in French for the ' other side' of the car is " plus grand chemin de fer Canadien" which maybe is a bit much
Besides maybe it's too much boasting and the CPR could make mockery of it.
Largest in what way? Government handouts? Patronage? Screw-ups? Accidents? It would never end.
And while it's been a week since this happened, it wouldn't be right not to post this to String Lining, 4-6-2 CN 5080 has hit the road to restoration, and is now at the Aspen Crossing tourist railway in Mossleigh, AB.
5080 was overhauled 6 months prior to being put on display in Prince Albert, and only ran around 2500 miles during that time. An excellent candidate for restoration. Her tires in particular look brand new.
539 as a Bonus.
https://assets.vancouverisawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/01132254/vintage-streetcar-bcer-north-vancouver-02-min.jpg
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