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Can somebody explain to me what is the Logistic Sceince behind putting a CSX giant intermodal facility in the middle of a cornfield in NB Ohio ?

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Posted by Buslist on Monday, August 22, 2016 9:36 AM

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Hub and spoke works for individual containers the same as hub and spoke in the air line industry works for individual people.

 

 

 

However, airline hubs are not situated in the middle of nowhere.  They are in major metro areas: ORD, ATL, DFW, SEA, etc.

 

Maybe because that's where the cities built the big airports?

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Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Monday, August 22, 2016 9:14 AM

Willard has the space as well and the terminal facilities. Chambersburg PA happened because the Hagerstown MD politico establishment had there hands out for "contributions" and graft and PA taxes are much lower.

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Posted by schlimm on Monday, August 22, 2016 9:13 AM

kgbw49

Hub and spoke works for individual containers the same as hub and spoke in the air line industry works for individual people.

 

However, airline hubs are not situated in the middle of nowhere.  They are in major metro areas: ORD, ATL, DFW, SEA, etc.

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Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Monday, August 22, 2016 9:04 AM

Brownfield redevelopment is the "in thing" where I am at in in Western New York. The former Bethelham Steel Site in Laccawanna has a wind farm and CN Lumber Distrubition Faclity. The new CSX Intermodal Yard  http://www.mckeesrocks.com/   in Mckeesrocks outside of Pittsburgh is in the former P&LE yards and shops and is on a BRT Line.  Toledo has no shortage of former auto and glass factory sites and has unused space along its port.

Here is the German Container yard in action -

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEViSvA7tXunsARrAnnIlQ?p=hamburg+marshalling+yard&fr=yhs-mozilla-004&fr2=piv-web&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004#id=10&vid=d1141660157c27ec8388aa9995f96041&action=view

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Posted by kgbw49 on Monday, August 22, 2016 6:47 AM

Hub and spoke works for individual containers the same as hub and spoke in the air line industry works for individual people.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, August 21, 2016 9:53 PM

The hub and spoke happens because there are increasing numbers of intermodal terminals.  As more terminals are built network theory enters. For each terminal started  every other one adds one more possible destination. 

So from whole trains to one destination from another you can get one unit a week from one to another.  That over simplifies but points out the need for spokes to consolidate for a destination.

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Posted by caldreamer on Sunday, August 21, 2016 9:43 PM

Why not in northern Ohio?  CSX built an intermodal yard in Chambersburg, PA some 70 or so miles from Baltimore as the crow flies.  It is off of the old Western Maryland line on the south side of town.  You access it off of Kriner road just a couple of hundred feet east of of Interstate 81 at the Wayne Avenue exit.   CSX build this intermodal yard to get some of the Harrisburg and .Mechanicsburg intermodal traffic which has been dominated by Norfolk southern.  CSX has a good reason to build a yard in Northern Ohio, just as they did in Chambersburg.

 

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Posted by CatFoodFlambe on Sunday, August 21, 2016 9:42 PM

Simply put - it's essentially the "Chicago Yard" for CSX's intermodal traffic - they do the same thing with containers and trailers that Willard does with carload freight.

  

 

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Sunday, August 21, 2016 6:01 PM

http://www.joc.com/rail-intermodal/class-i-railroads/csx-transportation/csx-plans-expand-ohio-intermodal-hub_20140116.html

Do a Google (or other) search for "csx intermodal north baltimore ohio" and you'll find lots.

Briefly, it's one of the 'hubs' in CSX's developing 'hub-and-spoke' intermodal network.

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, August 21, 2016 5:53 PM

Consider that UP's Global III is, for all intents and purposes, also in the middle of a cornfield...

North Baltimore is on CSX's "Chicago Line."  Pretty much THE east-west CSX mainline.

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Posted by dakotafred on Sunday, August 21, 2016 5:29 PM

Looks to me like the future of heavy-industrial building in the U.S. Misses the expensive real estate and all, or most of, the NIMBYs.

I'd say CSX showed brains and imagination in its site selection.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Sunday, August 21, 2016 12:57 PM

 I would think for frieght headed West or East that Ohio geographically makes sense as a location to shift the containers around if needed by end distribution point as if you head much farther East I think your choice of destinations or ports by rail route efficiency dwindles.    Seems to me that you would want to block containers on flatcars much as boxcars used to be blocked in a frieght by final destination or for those containers just traveling across the continent by the name of the ship they are going to ship out on.

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Posted by OWTX on Sunday, August 21, 2016 12:17 PM

IF that's paywalled - try:  https://www.google.com/#q=north+baltimore+ohio+intermondal+lifts and the joc link.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, August 21, 2016 11:55 AM

How do you hump a 5 packer at Stanley that has 6 boxes for LA and 4 boxes for Portland?

CSX Intermodal originates and terminates shipments from ports all along the East Coast - Jacksonville, Savannah, Portsmouth, Baltimore, Philadelphia and New York.  N.Baltimore is bult on the idea consolidating and separating boxes as necessary and to eliminate highway interchange of boxes to get through Chicago.  It permits BNSF & UP to load all their East Coast boxes on a car(s) or train load and ship it East to N.Baltimore, where the boxes can be transloaded to car(s) and trains destined to the port areas.

Back in the day when all intermodal trains terminated in Chicago - ALL interchange between carriers was done over the highway, with resultant additional highway congestion in the Chicago area.  Real Estate in N.Baltimore is much lower in cost that it would be anywhere in the Chicago area.

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Can somebody explain to me what is the Logistic Sceince behind putting a CSX giant intermodal facility in the middle of a cornfield in NB Ohio ?
Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Saturday, August 20, 2016 1:35 PM

A wide-span crane shuffles containers at the CSX North Baltimore intermodal hub in June 2011. (Photograph by Craig Sanders)

When I ended up out here I could not help but notice these huge way out of place monster cranes that looked like Giant Praying Mantis out of a grade b horror movie. During the time I was there i also noticed that there is only a handfull of JB Hunt trucks picking up containers out of this yard a day so most of the traffic is from train to train. I was thinking rather then use huge crains would it not have it been better to create a hump at Stanley yard up in Toledo and hump the cars that way? and instead of way out here have a intermodal sorting hub in a inner city where folks actualy need jobs and can take public transporation to. I am not sure what the brains at CSX were thinking when they built this. No other railroad has or wants to copy this.

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