Just responding to certain poster referring to knowing a certain dispatcher who is not qualified.
It has been said that this area was CTC controlled. I was wondering: even with CTC, aren't there also track circuits that would prevent conflicting signals? If so, and if an engineer was given clearance and sees a red signal, wouldn't he double check with dispatcher?
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tree68Clearly, something went wrong. It remains to be seen what that might have been.
Agreed; could have been human error, mechanical failure, computer error, ad infinitum.
OTOH, there are some who have already, in their minds, decided the cause and continue to wildly speculate.
Norm
ROBERT WILLISONWho really thinks talking about a certain person performance on here is any where near appropriate.
Unless I've missed something, we're discussing a person in the abstract at this point - not a specific individual. As such, I would opine that it's little different than discussing track bolts.
This could also be a case of an inadequate shift turnover, or a very large area of responsibility, or a problem with the support system (computer programs, paper copies, etc).
Clearly, something went wrong. It remains to be seen what that might have been.
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Who really thinks talking about a certain person performance on here is any where near appropriate. Let the railroad and the feds do the investigation in private and on site. This kind of speculation is never a good thing, making the site into a tabloid.
Who really thinks talking about a certain person performance on here is any where near appropriate. Let the railroad do the investigation on private and on site. This kind of speculation is never a good thing, making the site into a tabloid.
So, the 64 dollar question is: Were there questions about the qualifications of the dispatcher involved with the W. Texas head-on?
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daveklepper ED, how possibliy could BNSF put a dispatcher in charge who was not really qualified? BNSF seems to me one of the most heads-up rarilroads around. I sm really puzzled. There must be something more.
ED, how possibliy could BNSF put a dispatcher in charge who was not really qualified? BNSF seems to me one of the most heads-up rarilroads around. I sm really puzzled. There must be something more.
sfbrakeman:
Please call me on my cell. 763-234-9306 (No I'm not crazy--railroaders stick together!) I knew the dispatcher involved in the Motley, MN head-on. He was not qualified for the job---plus about three other things were not in his favor.
Ed Burns
NP-BN-BNSF from Northtown.
Eb LACLPC ran red block east end M1 to make meet w/wb CHISBD @ 0817am. Engr on wb jumped. Other three workers are missing. This took place about 3/4 mi east of depot which serves as city hall...One of the missing workers I have worked with in the past on the western end of the Lajunt Sub. This is hard to take. Out of being thoughtfull to the families involved, I would suggest not to spend much time on "this or that" and let it be for now.
cefinkjr Heard a report earlier that "mangled box cars were piled up". Didn't think the reporter knew what he was talking about; pictures prove it. Bombing in Turkey has pushed this off of Fox News though. They can't seem to handle more than one news story at a time. ADD?
Heard a report earlier that "mangled box cars were piled up". Didn't think the reporter knew what he was talking about; pictures prove it.
Bombing in Turkey has pushed this off of Fox News though. They can't seem to handle more than one news story at a time. ADD?
Just a short time ago, the first Westbound (domestic Stacks, and TOFC) of the day, passed here headed to Wellington(Ks.) and beyond...
The last train through here was late Monday night. A Stacker with mostly domestic cans. That seems to be the train that was stopped near Panhandle,TX., and was hit by an eastbound container train.
From the photos it appeared to be mostly Import/Export containers (?).. One of the film clips, that was amongst the early reporting seemed to be taken(apparently, by a passing motorist(?) from the area adjacent,and parallel to US Hwy 60... The brief clip seemed to show the eastbound train continuing to pile cars, and containers, as it continued forward to the point of collision with the other train, and into the area on fire(?)
There have been no further reports of the three missing crew men; only of the one survivor, who apparently jumped from his train, at some point. And is hospitalized ?
ChuckAllen, TX
Mr. Travis will be along directly to tell us who was at fault and how this could have been prevented.
Report says that 3 crew members are missing. One jumped. He is the injured crewman.
Somebody didn't have authority to be on that track at that time; or if they had authority it was improperly given by the Train Dispatcher.
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beaulieu This morning two BNSF trains collided head-on on the Panhandle Sub. No word on the condition of the two crews. The Panhandle Sub. is Two Main Tracks with CTC. It is not yet equipped with PTC. News10 video at crash site
This morning two BNSF trains collided head-on on the Panhandle Sub. No word on the condition of the two crews. The Panhandle Sub. is Two Main Tracks with CTC. It is not yet equipped with PTC.
News10 video at crash site
Gobs of stills as well on the KFDA site. Two stack trains on north track, right at east end of Panhandle. Big mess. One injured person transported to an Amarillo hospital in stable condition.
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