Norm48327I do not object per-se to your responding to others about that. What I, and presumably others, object to is the constant hammering away at those who may disagree with you. You said it isn't right to denegrate them. I agree, but we don't need to be reminded of that in your every other post.
Norm, I am in general agreement with that. You have not been one of the insulters. But when one of them resurfaces with the need to hurl insults on the dead, some of us will continue to call them out.
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Norm48327 I do not object per-se to your responding to others about that. What I, and presumably others, object to is the constant hammering away at those who may disagree with you. You said it isn't right to denegrate them. I agree, but we don't need to be reminded of that in your every other post. I would quantify your method as "If you can't get them to agree, then shout them down".
I do not object per-se to your responding to others about that. What I, and presumably others, object to is the constant hammering away at those who may disagree with you. You said it isn't right to denegrate them. I agree, but we don't need to be reminded of that in your every other post.
I would quantify your method as "If you can't get them to agree, then shout them down".
It seems to me that this is going both ways here. If somebody says you are wrong, you can either accept that by not responding or respond back in a way that you feel will futher clarify your point. It is just the practice of debating. Why should one side be required to stop and accept something that they believe is wrong?
schlimmPrecisely! Norm (and others) objects to responding to those who keep insisting on insulting those victims. When the insults and denigration cease, the calling them out for what they do can cease.
Norm
EuclidWhat the critic is doing is insulting the deceased, if the deceased is not a friend or relative of the critic; and also if the deceased was not working in an occupation approved of by the critic.
Precisely! Norm (and others) objects to responding to those who keep insisting on insulting those victims. When the insults and denigration cease, the calling them out for what they do can cease.
What the people who caused their own death or the death of others in these cases did was break the law. Nobody here is defending them for breaking the law.
People here are defending them against having their memory insulted by self-righteous critics who presume to know that the deceased had a motive that the critic finds unsuitable. Since the critic rarely knows what that motive was or even the state of mind of the dead driver, the critic is in no position to be so judgmental of the driver.
What the critic is doing is insulting the deceased, if the deceased is not a friend or relative of the critic; and also if the deceased was not working in an occupation approved of by the critic. If any of that were the case, the deceased would be forgiven by the critic, and be honored as being a victim of circumstances.
schlimmGive me a break! It is not about "political correctness" at all. It is about not needlessly dancing on the graves of the dead by making unnecessary crude, insensitive, inane insults so that some insecure people can feel better about themselves. It's about good manners and civility in public, stuff we should have learned as children.
Nah, you give us a break. You made your point many posts ago.
Norm48327 Carl, Then there's the side that says we should be politically correct and never offend anyone. Some will be offended because they have nothing to be offended about.
Carl,
Then there's the side that says we should be politically correct and never offend anyone. Some will be offended because they have nothing to be offended about.
Give me a break! It is not about "political correctness" at all. It is about not needlessly dancing on the graves of the dead by making unnecessary crude, insensitive, inane insults so that some insecure people can feel better about themselves.
It's about good manners and civility in public, stuff we should have learned as children.
I think that a lot of the problem is that we're all in the choir here, and don't need no stinkin' preachers. We look on the victims as people who should know as much about trains, their weight, and their momentum as we do, and when something happens we shake our heads, think the victims should have known better (because we do!), and somehow perversely feel that they won't have any more kids as "inferior" as they were.If, somehow, our knowledge about such things got out in the direction of the people who need to hear the message, we wouldn't get very far with comments questioning their intelligence.A few months ago, there was a sequence of railroad/highway collisions shown on videos, with trains from all of the major railroads, Amtrak included, wiping out the cars, trucks, or whatever involved. I wonder how myuch footage like that would make people think. Internalize the message--this is what could happen to you if you take trains too lightly in such situations.(Coming to and from Michigan on the "scenic route", we often drive east to west across Hammond, Indiana. And even thought I don't see the scene itself, whenever we drive in the vicinity of the NICTD station there, I recall the video of the driver racing across the parking lot with a carload of kids, hoping to get out of there in advance of the CSX train on adjacent trackage. We didn't see the result on the video, but remember vividly what happened.)
Carl
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Wow! Picture Two reminds me of a song American GI's stationed in Darwin during World War Two used to sing...
Red dust in your navel, red dust in your shirt, see beautiful Darwin, see beautiful dirt!"
I suppose pictures three and four were taken during a full moon weekend.
Or something.
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It's not a humorous topic so why repeatedly trivialize it?
EuclidThe people using these labels are not doing it out of humor. They are bitter and filled with disadain. They are dancing on the grave of the deceased and gloating about how he/she got what they had coming.
You're reading way too much into it, and labelling people in exactly the same way you lament besides.
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BaltACD Comedy is based on the pain of others; everyone likes to laugh, especially when something happens to someone else; because you know it could very easily have been yourself and you would be crying as a result.
Comedy is based on the pain of others; everyone likes to laugh, especially when something happens to someone else; because you know it could very easily have been yourself and you would be crying as a result.
That may be the case sometimes, but I don't think it is the case with these Darwin Award, idiot, moron responses directed at people killed in grade crossing accidents. The people using these labels are not doing it out of humor. They are bitter and filled with disadain. They are dancing on the grave of the deceased and gloating about how he/she got what they had comming. This attitude, if nothing else, is bad karma.
It just occurred to me that the forum as a whole generally laments the lifetime of emotional pain a crossing collision causes the crew, yet here we are defending the very people who cause that pain...
I would like to request that in the future we not use judgemental comments when reporting about crossing incidents. The use of "idiot" or "moron" or references to Darwin just incites accusations of callousness or insensitivity followed by discussions on the meaning of "accident", &c., &c. These incidents are common enough that they don't really merit their own title. There are two existing threads that these reports can be added to:
Freight vs vehicle:
http://cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/t/248244.aspx
Passenger vs vehicle:
http://cs.trains.com/trn/f/743/t/245526.aspx
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BaltACD schlimm tree68 Euclid Because I've seen too much of it. And - it's not "any reason." It's for stupid reasons. There is a difference. And is that how you speak to the families of victims of these "non-accidents," ridiculing the newly deceased with your ghoulish insults? Real professionalism, real compassion. Ever wonder what undertakers have to say out of the presence of their clients? Doubt that it is always 'pretty'.
schlimm tree68 Euclid Because I've seen too much of it. And - it's not "any reason." It's for stupid reasons. There is a difference. And is that how you speak to the families of victims of these "non-accidents," ridiculing the newly deceased with your ghoulish insults? Real professionalism, real compassion.
tree68 Euclid Because I've seen too much of it. And - it's not "any reason." It's for stupid reasons. There is a difference.
Euclid
Because I've seen too much of it.
And - it's not "any reason." It's for stupid reasons. There is a difference.
And is that how you speak to the families of victims of these "non-accidents," ridiculing the newly deceased with your ghoulish insults? Real professionalism, real compassion.
Ever wonder what undertakers have to say out of the presence of their clients? Doubt that it is always 'pretty'.
I do not know, do you? In any case, this is a public forum. Relatives of victims may read these ghoulish examples of "gallows humor" and Schadenfreude. And research points to taking pleasure in the suffering of others actually relates to a form of envy.
Murphy SidingIf there's an internet forum for undertakers, I'm staying clear.
As a matter of fact,..................................... there are such forums. RIP.
zugmann BaltACD Ever wonder what undertakers have to say out of the presence of their clients? Doubt that it is always 'pretty'. What about a public internet forum?
BaltACD Ever wonder what undertakers have to say out of the presence of their clients? Doubt that it is always 'pretty'.
What about a public internet forum?
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
Just how is this relevant to the discussion at hand?
BaltACDUnder the cloak of annominity - all things are likely.
Under an assumed cloak of annominity. They bettter hope that cloak doesn't fall off.
Mabe I'm getting older, but I now figure if someone did something stupid and died as a result - they are square with the house. Calling a dead person an idiot or darwin winner or whatever just seems in poor taste. We all do stupid stuff. Or we are liars.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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zugmann BaltACD What about a public internet forum?
BaltACD
Under the cloak of annominity - all things are likely.
BaltACDEver wonder what undertakers have to say out of the presence of their clients? Doubt that it is always 'pretty'.
schlimmAnd is that how you speak to the families of victims of these "non-accidents," ridiculing the newly deceased with your ghoulish insults? Real professionalism, real compassion.
I've helped care for patients in a vehicle that struck another head-on - while passing on a hill. It was reported there may have been some "racing" going on. The driver of the car they struck died at the scene, trapped in her vehicle.
It's "around the dinner table" with our peers that we might take note of the deficiencies in the deceased's choices. And we feel sorry for the family and friends for what the deceased has put them through.
If it's any consolation to you, we're just as hard on ourselves when someone pulls a bone-headed move. And in the case of a fatality of a firefighter, we can look forward to a federal review of the incident. Those reviewing the incident won't be using the term "Darwin," but they will be just as harsh as anyone on the decedent and those who were involved in the incident if their actions contributed to the end result.
Search on "NIOSH firefighter fatality." They don't mince words. But they do make suggestions on how we can improve.
The driver in the incident I cited lived. I wonder what your reaction would have been had he died - and the driver he killed in the other car was your loved one.
I'm kind of jealous. I wish I could be perfect and never make a foolish and possibly dangerous mistake. If nothing else, it would have saved me a lot of embarrassment and money over the years.
Tom
tree68 Euclid Why do you and others find it so important to ridicule folks who get killed or maimed for any reason? Because I've seen too much of it. And - it's not "any reason." It's for stupid reasons. There is a difference.
Euclid Why do you and others find it so important to ridicule folks who get killed or maimed for any reason?
Missed that the first time through - still a moron
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