edblysard There is a YouTube vid of that....and the firemen seemed startled there was a train using the train tracks....
There is a YouTube vid of that....and the firemen seemed startled there was a train using the train tracks....
http://graphics.latimes.com/san-bernardino-shooting/#nt=outfit
The shooters were a man and his wife, both Muslims, although the motive sounds like work-related personal revenge ("going postal"). At least two of the four weapons were purchased legally.
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As pointed out in the DD&CS/C'Box ...the BNSF dispatchers for SoCal were less than 3/4 mile to the SW from the incident (Carnegie Dr @ Hospitality Dr). I'm sure that if in the unlikely case there was a switch engine out on the branch, they were shut down mui pronto and most of the activity in "A" yard (also not far away at the bottom of Cajon Pass) was operated in a very guarded manner.
The BNSF railway police were certainly involved, probably protecting the railroad assets to either side of the incident.
edblysard schlimm Whether the perps are gangs, terrorists or the mentally disturbed, as long as guns are as easy to get hold of as a Coke, these tragedies will go on and on and on. Well, we have all seen how great making coke illegal has worked...sorta like prohibition and making alcohol illegal did. Great way to create an major profitable enterprise for organized criminals. Oh, wait, wasn't there this group of guys around Chicago that tried that? The real issue might not be the guns, or the drugs and booze, but the way we as a society deal with the chronic mental health issue here. Try and get long term psychotherapy or behavior therapy for a family member....once your private insurance runs out, your have to impoverish yourself to qualify for any type of federal or state aid, then good luck with getting any type of quality treatment. Trust me, if they can't get a gun, they will use Molotov cocktails, or kitchen knives, or baseball bats, or their automobile. Gonna make all those "illegal" also and "solve" the problem? The issue isn't the tool used, but the motivation and delusional reasoning behind the action...come on, your the self proclaimed super shrink here, you should already know that! I have been licensed to carry a weapon for over 30 years, I walked into a gun store, paid cash for my side arm, a holster, and a box of ammo, and in that 30 plus years my gun has never managed to commit a crime
schlimm Whether the perps are gangs, terrorists or the mentally disturbed, as long as guns are as easy to get hold of as a Coke, these tragedies will go on and on and on.
Whether the perps are gangs, terrorists or the mentally disturbed, as long as guns are as easy to get hold of as a Coke, these tragedies will go on and on and on.
Try and get long term psychotherapy or behavior therapy for a family member....once your private insurance runs out, your have to impoverish yourself to qualify for any type of federal or state aid, then good luck with getting any type of quality treatment.
Trust me, if they can't get a gun, they will use Molotov cocktails, or kitchen knives, or baseball bats, or their automobile.
Gonna make all those "illegal" also and "solve" the problem?
The issue isn't the tool used, but the motivation and delusional reasoning behind the action...come on, your the self proclaimed super shrink here, you should already know that!
I have been licensed to carry a weapon for over 30 years, I walked into a gun store, paid cash for my side arm, a holster, and a box of ammo, and in that 30 plus years my gun has never managed to commit a crime
Is it ever possible to read carefully? Did I say anything about laws? Many/most of the long series of mass killings were done by folks who purchased guns legally. And yes, mental health laws should be tightened and enforced. Perhaps all folks who wish to purchase weapons should be required to have a thorough pyschiatric/psychological exam.
Phoebe Vet At the risk of making this thread about TRAINS, While watching this in progress on TV I saw a fire truck parked across the track.
At the risk of making this thread about TRAINS, While watching this in progress on TV I saw a fire truck parked across the track.
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A couple years ago, Detroit Fire Department learned no to do that. Scratch one expensive ladder truck. Amtrak couldn't stop in time.
Norm
Exactly Ed,
I bought my first gun in 1973 and the only thing it has killed is a paper target in front of mound of sand. Since it's kept locked it hasn't been able to sneek out on its own it reek havoc on the innocent.
Bob
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
Obviously one of the uninformed about legal gun purchases. Coming from a man of your educational stature, I expected better. OTOH, the black market has no such restrictions.
Scary situation and a heart breaking site for such an attack.
Looks like Euclid got it at least partly right, this is not a typical mass shooting and does look very pre-planned and targeted. Not sure about possible motives, figure any of my guesses now will probably go wild of the mark when more information comes out.
I'm of the opinion that this was a targetted attack. The assailants entered the building, went to a specific location, and did their deed, then left.
Had this been a more general attack, three gunman probably would have done a lot more damage.
The group which suffered the casualties reportedly was not from that building - they were just holding a Christmas party there.
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BaltACD Firelock76 I could be wrong, but with three gunmen it strikes me as a domestic terror incident, assuming the initial reports are correct. Or gang-related. Who knows at this point? Should 'gangs' now be treated as urban terrorist organizations and pursued as such?
Firelock76 I could be wrong, but with three gunmen it strikes me as a domestic terror incident, assuming the initial reports are correct. Or gang-related. Who knows at this point?
I could be wrong, but with three gunmen it strikes me as a domestic terror incident, assuming the initial reports are correct.
Or gang-related. Who knows at this point?
Should 'gangs' now be treated as urban terrorist organizations and pursued as such?
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Mass Shooting Near Railroad …
… Track in San Bernardino, CA
The TV (shown below, KABC Channel 7) is reporting 12 are dead by a mass shooting in a medical center in San Bernardino, CA, the site of which is out of view below on the upper right. The site is near Metrolink’s ex-Santa Fe (AT&SF) Redland Loop. The street is South Waterman Ave., with the Redlands Loop line in view. The whole area is jam packed with law enforcement.
K.P. knows someone who knows someone personally that is INSIDE the San Bernardino police station. They called that known person and said 14 were killed in the shooting.
The rail line is between San Bernardino and Redlands, and projections are to rebuild the line to eventually run RDC type trains on it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed.
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