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CP vs. Illinois Tollway Authority

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Posted by kgbw49 on Sunday, November 15, 2015 2:30 PM

Directly to......Washington

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Posted by Deggesty on Sunday, November 15, 2015 2:15 PM

BaltACD

 

 
Norm48327
K. P. Harrier

This situation is symptomatic of the lessoning clout railroads have, especially the cause and effect result of the railroads having less and less employees. Nevertheless, the Illinois Tollway people don’t have a prayer trying to bully its way past federal jurisdiction, and are probably fools because they undoubtedly will get themselves fired for grossly wasting the taxpayers' money on a lost cause.

Illinois politicians never get fired. They go directly to ------------------

You guessed it.

Said tongue-in-cheek. Sad

 

Do they pass Go?

 

They should go to jail--but they may well have Get Out of Jail cards.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, November 15, 2015 2:12 PM

Norm48327
K. P. Harrier

This situation is symptomatic of the lessoning clout railroads have, especially the cause and effect result of the railroads having less and less employees. Nevertheless, the Illinois Tollway people don’t have a prayer trying to bully its way past federal jurisdiction, and are probably fools because they undoubtedly will get themselves fired for grossly wasting the taxpayers' money on a lost cause.

Illinois politicians never get fired. They go directly to ------------------

You guessed it.

Said tongue-in-cheek. Sad

Do they pass Go?

Never too old to have a happy childhood!

              

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Posted by Norm48327 on Sunday, November 15, 2015 12:33 PM

K. P. Harrier

This situation is symptomatic of the lessoning clout railroads have, especially the cause and effect result of the railroads having less and less employees. Nevertheless, the Illinois Tollway people don’t have a prayer trying to bully its way past federal jurisdiction, and are probably fools because they undoubtedly will get themselves fired for grossly wasting the taxpayers' money on a lost cause.

 

Illinois politicians never get fired. They go directly to ------------------

You guessed it.

Said tongue-in-cheek. Sad

Norm


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Posted by mudchicken on Sunday, November 15, 2015 10:52 AM

The severance most likely will not get past the Illinois Commerce Commission/ ICC, much less go through STB. Canadian Pacific's Public Projects Engineers will become warriors with  cause on this one. Any attempt at "reasonable accommodation" will be met with sticker shock and horror.

(Nothing unusual for highway engineer bubbas to totally mis-understand railroad criteria where highways & railroads overlap. This is where you find out where Transportation Departments are almost always nothing but rubber-tired "bus people" with an arrogance that takes a beating when the 800 pound gorrilla in the room discovers that it isn't alone.)....About 3 years ago, IL-DOT lost most of the folks that had a brain and any experience in a personel purge (dumbsizing) caused by ILLINOIS' financial mess.

Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west
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Posted by Wizlish on Sunday, November 15, 2015 10:52 AM

I'd like to think that this is a little political two-step by the toll road people:

1) We need room for an interchange, construction storage, etc. 

2) Let's present this as going on "obsolescent" railroad property (pointing to all sorts of useful historical 'examples' like Oak Island) so we don't have to discuss 'taking' of voter... ahem, private property.

3) We get slapped down by the Feds et al., as we clearly understood was likely.  But hey, we tried, and very publically sued and went on record as trying.

4) Somewhat less difficulty when the time comes to dispossess the little guys... and plausible denial about all the cost 'wasted' on lawyers; we'll attribute that to deep-pockets CP money and all that usual capitalist jazz.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Sunday, November 15, 2015 10:37 AM

I agree with KP. Dislodging CP against their will with a state agency attempting to do the dislodging would have about the same success as the state agency trying to build a bridge over a waterway at a location that would take out a lock and dam on a navigable waterway.

If there is any change in Bensenville at all, it will be because CP negotiated a deal where they are made whole elsewhere in terms of operations plus getting paid a boatload of money in multiples of 9 figures for the real estate.

More than likely, the Illinois Toll Road will build their project around or over Bensenville Yard.

And the way construction works in Chicagoland, that 8 year construction is likely to take much longer and come in well over the original estimate.

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Sunday, November 15, 2015 10:15 AM

This situation is symptomatic of the lessoning clout railroads have, especially the cause and effect result of the railroads having less and less employees. Nevertheless, the Illinois Tollway people don’t have a prayer trying to bully its way past federal jurisdiction, and are probably fools because they undoubtedly will get themselves fired for grossly wasting the taxpayers' money on a lost cause.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed.

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Posted by Wizlish on Sunday, November 15, 2015 10:04 AM

This will be interesting to watch.  Is there any list of applicable precedent, or briefs, so far?

(Where is the 'popcorn' emoticon when you need it?)

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