ricktrains4824 Why? BaltACD is referring to the article about the Cuyahoga Falls crossing, where 21 car drivers have turned onto the tracks.... That is indeed driver fault.
Why? BaltACD is referring to the article about the Cuyahoga Falls crossing, where 21 car drivers have turned onto the tracks.... That is indeed driver fault.
1-2 drivers on a crossing is one thing, but 21 drivers on one crossing suggests poor crossing/traffic design far more than driver negligence.
But there is still way too much sadististic pleasure in blaming the victims, even if they are at fault.
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Whether the crossing signals are working or not, at a railroad croosing you should "SLOW DOWN, LOOK AND LISTEN". Because the train ALWAYS wins!!!
blue streak 1 The lights only started one second before the crash and of course the gates did not even start. Guess the train started the flashers once it was in the island circuit ?. Note: there have been many collisions at the crossing but drivers were always accused. Now what are the legal options that will occrr from this dash cam ? http://7online.com/news/dashcam-video-from-queens-freight-train-accident/838258/ The TV station video of the flashers and gates not working with train crossing is also damming.
The lights only started one second before the crash and of course the gates did not even start. Guess the train started the flashers once it was in the island circuit ?. Note: there have been many collisions at the crossing but drivers were always accused. Now what are the legal options that will occrr from this dash cam ?
http://7online.com/news/dashcam-video-from-queens-freight-train-accident/838258/
The TV station video of the flashers and gates not working with train crossing is also damming.
LIRR Investigations should include but not limited to crossing manufacturer, who wired, number of reported incidents, designed activation time or location, internal reporting system, activations only in island circuit, etc.
For this accident in Queens. Any idea who is responsible for signal maintenance ? LIRR, the freight carrier , or someone else ?. If not LIRR when did LIRR transfer responsibility ?
If over a dozen accidents why did FRA and / or NTSB investigate ? Looks like a lot of blame to go around but maybe drivers who got hit will get any charges expunged and insurance rates lowered retroactively ?
This will be interestig to follow in the future.
Damm. That is contrary to everything I was taught about the design of Xing signalling, Obvious testing should reveal what is wrong. The signal maintainer is in a badspot. First suspicion would be a wiring error. Do the current electronic Xing modules still use a directional relay? I wonder when this protection was installed & by whom. But why the failure to activate?
Shouldn't engineer be aware that the flashers are not active? Portholes on side of flasher heads are visable to the engineer. I always noted them when in the cab or in a dome. But it is easy to believe that they always start and ignore them. This will be one to follow.
This one happened in NYC Queens. But and it is a big but the lights only started one second before the crash and of ccourse the gates did not even start. Guess the train started the flashers once it was in the island circuit. Noter there have been many collisions at the crossing but drivers were always accused. Now what are the legal options that will occrr from this dash cam ?
1. convictions for running a crossing ?
2. Insurance settlements ?
3. Possible perjury charges for signal maintainers ?
4. other items ? Tell it to the judge ?
ACY Who's driving? The GPS or the driver?
Who's driving? The GPS or the driver?
The GPS. The driver is too busy texting....
OTOH, I tend to agree with a couple of the suggested actions. I'm not sure that a sign warning drivers not to turn onto the tracks will be useful, but extending the stripes and moving the big green sign might be useful.
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Deggesty BaltACD blue streak 1 21 vehicles at this crossing hit latest no injuries. http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/summit-county/2015/06/29/cuyahoga-falls-railroad-crossing/29483581/ Driven over it many time during the years - check your brain at the door if you have problems. According to the article, blind obedience to a GPS can cause an accident.
BaltACD blue streak 1 21 vehicles at this crossing hit latest no injuries. http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/summit-county/2015/06/29/cuyahoga-falls-railroad-crossing/29483581/ Driven over it many time during the years - check your brain at the door if you have problems. According to the article, blind obedience to a GPS can cause an accident.
blue streak 1 21 vehicles at this crossing hit latest no injuries. http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/summit-county/2015/06/29/cuyahoga-falls-railroad-crossing/29483581/
21 vehicles at this crossing hit latest no injuries.
http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/summit-county/2015/06/29/cuyahoga-falls-railroad-crossing/29483581/
Driven over it many time during the years - check your brain at the door if you have problems.
A no-no as I stated in a previous post. Situational awareness.
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BaltACD blue streak 1 21 vehicles at this crossing hit latest no injuries. http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/summit-county/2015/06/29/cuyahoga-falls-railroad-crossing/29483581/ Driven over it many time during the years - check your brain at the door if you have problems.
Johnny
Right, Balt. I know it well, too, and I've never had a problem. It might be good to extend those diagonal white lines across the tracks as a warning to those who aren't familiar with the area. Surely SOMEBODY can afford a few gallons of paint. As for the signage and visibility issues, it was the State of Ohio that decided to pull out the old PRR branch and put that elevated highway where it had been, creating those problems. That ex-B&O track has been there for about 125 years. Most of the thousands of motorists using this intersection are locals who should know the situation.
Balt's comment is apt. Unfortunately, it also attests to a drastic falloff in map-reading skills.
Paul_D_North_Jr Perhaps Driver's Ed (and refresher) courses need to emphasize "Do not turn onto the tracks !", in addition to the more traditional "Stop, Look, and Listen", "Obey the crossing signals, and "Don't race the train to the crossing". - Paul North.
Perhaps Driver's Ed (and refresher) courses need to emphasize "Do not turn onto the tracks !", in addition to the more traditional "Stop, Look, and Listen", "Obey the crossing signals, and "Don't race the train to the crossing".
- Paul North.
And don't blindly follow the GPS's command 'Turn Right Now'.
Simplify it: "Don't get in the car, and stay indoors where the babysitter can see you."
Perhaps Driver's Ed (and refresher) courses need to emphasize "Do not turn onto the tracks !", in addition to the more traditional "Stop, Look, and Listen", "Obey the crossing signals", and "Don't race the train to the crossing".
blue streak 1Maybe a propane powered truck ?
CNG?
That Newark crossing looks bad. I wonder if it would be better if whoever maintains the crossing would yank out the barrier on the northwest corner and simply pave the whole area?
Paul_D_North_Jr blue streak 1 Newark DE cops sav man. http://6abc.com/traffic/driver-rescued-before-train-hits-vehicle-in-newark-del/798479/ This is the same crossing that BaltACD mentioned in another thread (perhaps the one on the Oxnard, Calif, wreck a few months ago),which often causes his carrier grief with grade crossing collisions there. It is located at: N 39 41.003' W 75 45.378' - Paul North.
blue streak 1 Newark DE cops sav man. http://6abc.com/traffic/driver-rescued-before-train-hits-vehicle-in-newark-del/798479/
http://6abc.com/traffic/driver-rescued-before-train-hits-vehicle-in-newark-del/798479/
This is the same crossing that BaltACD mentioned in another thread (perhaps the one on the Oxnard, Calif, wreck a few months ago),which often causes his carrier grief with grade crossing collisions there. It is located at: N 39 41.003' W 75 45.378'
And the city's police station is within sight of the crossing!
The headline writer needs instruction in reading and comprehension of what he has read--and the difference between a tank truck and a locomotive.
The headline for the Buffalo incident calls it a "train explosion". The only explosion the video shows is a truck explosion. The headline writer need glasses.
Buffalo collision of switch move and tractor trailer. Almost instant explosion. Maybe a propane powered truck ?
http://wivb.com/2015/06/23/video-train-explosion-captured-on-security-camera/
http://www.nebraska.tv/story/29371973/bridge-catches-fire-after-train-strikes-car-near-duncan
Shut the railroad down. I went to be early Saturday night because I thought I'd be going out early Sunday. Woke up Sunday to find this. Deadheaded out Monday to Fremont. Traffic started moving again Monday afternoon. Some trains detoured over other UP routes. Many others just turned the main line into a giant parking lot.
Jeff
Newark DE cops sav man.
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