Murphy SidingShould a 747 be equipped with some kind of horn that it can blow in advance of setting down on a runway? It's a similar set-up. A runway and a rail line are both specific pieces of infrastructure made for use by specific types of heavy industrial equipment.
Runways are totally fenced off so that public access is difficult and rarely occurs. Not similar.
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Buxtehude Too bad, people. Get a life. Amtrak should have sounded their horn at least a half mile before a bridge, just like freight trains do before they enter a tunnel, especially when in this section of track, which is closely followed by Hwy 101. They know where the bridges are. Is pushing the horn button a couple of times so tiring to the engineer's hand? Stupid people cross the tracks all the time here, but is Amtrak ignorant of this? I doubt it. I am putting the blame where it lies. And if a freight train had killed those clueless people, I would be blaming UP. It's called being corporately proactive! My point is that no train should have arrived unexpectedly, passenger or freight. Especially here. And just because you find my headline abusive, is no reason to remove it, just because you disagree with how I write it. Who are you, anyway? Certainly, no better than me.
Too bad, people. Get a life. Amtrak should have sounded their horn at least a half mile before a bridge, just like freight trains do before they enter a tunnel, especially when in this section of track, which is closely followed by Hwy 101. They know where the bridges are. Is pushing the horn button a couple of times so tiring to the engineer's hand? Stupid people cross the tracks all the time here, but is Amtrak ignorant of this? I doubt it. I am putting the blame where it lies. And if a freight train had killed those clueless people, I would be blaming UP. It's called being corporately proactive! My point is that no train should have arrived unexpectedly, passenger or freight. Especially here.
And just because you find my headline abusive, is no reason to remove it, just because you disagree with how I write it. Who are you, anyway? Certainly, no better than me.
Were you the dead or the injured?
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So, you're just assuming that the engineer violated rules calling for them to use the horn where designated? My experience is that Amtrak trains do sound their horn where required, just like freight trains.
challenger3980Unfortunately, a likely ending will involve the trespassers, or their Family collecting some un-deserved money, because an out of court settlement will be less expensive than the legal fees and unpredictable jury award.
This will never get to a jury. If a case is filed, it will fall in a summary judgment motion: too much case law directly on point to overcome.
Semper Vaporo selector Buxtehude They were taking photographs on one of the bridges close to Refugio. Of the four people on the bridge two got run over and were critically hurt, one was knocked clear into the side of a hill and was killed, one was able to get off the bridge before being struck. -Crandell But by that logic, someone that jumped off a 10 story building didn't commit suicide; the sidewalk at the end of the free-fall killed them.
selector Buxtehude They were taking photographs on one of the bridges close to Refugio. Of the four people on the bridge two got run over and were critically hurt, one was knocked clear into the side of a hill and was killed, one was able to get off the bridge before being struck. -Crandell
Buxtehude They were taking photographs on one of the bridges close to Refugio. Of the four people on the bridge two got run over and were critically hurt, one was knocked clear into the side of a hill and was killed, one was able to get off the bridge before being struck.
They were taking photographs on one of the bridges close to Refugio. Of the four people on the bridge two got run over and were critically hurt, one was knocked clear into the side of a hill and was killed, one was able to get off the bridge before being struck.
-Crandell
But by that logic, someone that jumped off a 10 story building didn't commit suicide; the sidewalk at the end of the free-fall killed them.
Whaaaaa...?! Jumping off a 10 story building is like walking on tracks, or on a trestle? Shirley you jest. Or is that surely? Is a female walking in a dark alley asking for rape? In your logic?
schlimm Murphy Siding Should a 747 be equipped with some kind of horn that it can blow in advance of setting down on a runway? It's a similar set-up. A runway and a rail line are both specific pieces of infrastructure made for use by specific types of heavy industrial equipment. Runways are totally fenced off so that public access is difficult and rarely occurs. Not similar.
Murphy Siding Should a 747 be equipped with some kind of horn that it can blow in advance of setting down on a runway? It's a similar set-up. A runway and a rail line are both specific pieces of infrastructure made for use by specific types of heavy industrial equipment.
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Euclid, I deeply resent your calling my criticism 'shrill,' and you are the one that is 'shrill' by using that term. You definitely owe me an apology.
I live in Jerusalem, remember. I have personal stake in people not casting blame on the victim, and the crew of that locomotive were victims, not perpetrators.
If I own a home and come back home one night just in time to catch a person about to set my house on fire with loads of gasoline and a bunch of matches and shoot him, should I be called an attempted murderor for try to save my house from burning down?
I eat next to and across from youngssters who were in Gaza. Their parents do not teach them to hate anybody becausse of their race or religion, just like most USA parents.
Euclid, you own me an apology. And Buxtehud, thank you from the bottom and top of my heart, and yes, Bach did walk from Germany into Holland on foot just to hear your namesake play his music on the organ.
I have a cd. Marilon Mason is the organist, using the Fisk at the U. of Michigan
daveklepper Euclid, I deeply resent your calling my criticism 'shrill,' and you are the one that is 'shrill' by using that term. You definitely owe me an apology. I live in Jerusalem, remember. I have personal stake in people not casting blame on the victim, and the crew of that locomotive were victims, not perpetrators. If I own a home and come back home one night just in time to catch a person about to set my house on fire with loads of gasoline and a bunch of matches and shoot him, should I be called an attempted murderor for try to save my house from burning down? I eat next to and across from youngssters who were in Gaza. Their parents do not teach them to hate anybody becausse of their race or religion, just like most USA parents. Euclid, you own me an apology. And Buxtehud, thank you from the bottom and top of my heart, and yes, Bach did walk from Germany into Holland on foot just to hear your namesake play his music on the organ.
In my opinion, it is shrill criticism to call the thread title “abusive” as you did. Frankly, I think your demand for an apology is a little shrill.
This same argument comes up over and over on this forum. That is the augment that saying a train killed someone means that the victim has done no wrong in placing themselves in the path of the train. For over a century, headline writers worldwide have not thought twice about saying someone was killed by a train. It would never occur to them that their headline means that a train murdered an innocent victim. That unique translation strikes me as being way overly defensive on behalf of trains.
I again thank Buxtehude for changing the title, and repeat that I think that Euclid is again being "shrill" not me. But then Euclid is not in the position that I am in. And, yes, the average bad press handlng of railroad "incidents" is abusive in my opinion, and the fact that lots of people do it does not make it any less abusive. Euclid and I have disagreed on technical matters, but neither of us called each other names.
Note that I did not call Buxtehude abusive, but only the title abusive.
Euclid has never been in the position of having loved-ones blamed for horrors when they are victims themselves. I hope this ends the discussion concerning the title.
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My goodness, one can't win for heck around here. I can certainly see that my headline skills are not of professional grade, and I can now see how this present title doesn't serve particularly well either. I can barely type because I am laughing so hard at myself. I'm worthless. I don't dare change it, though. Who knows what else I will come up with!
Yes, young Bach and a friend did walk those 500 miles to visit my namesake for lessons because Herr Buxtehude wrote incredible compositions for his time. However, I am told that once the two young men arrived, Buxtehude agreed right off to teach the boys everything he knew, and he wouldn't even charge money or labor for it. His price was that one of his students needed to marry his daughter. I have no idea if the lady in question was unbeautiful or old or stupid or what, but the story says the two guys were out of the area by the end of the next day. I don't know who Bach's friend was, but I do know that Bach did okay anyway.
he sure did when i put a cd of the trio sonatas on my computer d-drive i usually listen two or three times before going to another cd. again marilon mason, but on an european organ. also an european musician whose name i forget for the moment on a schnitger. and a japanese (or japanese-ancestor) young women on a fisk. bach, mozart, and beethoven
selector Semper Vaporo selector Buxtehude They were taking photographs on one of the bridges close to Refugio. Of the four people on the bridge two got run over and were critically hurt, one was knocked clear into the side of a hill and was killed, one was able to get off the bridge before being struck. -Crandell But by that logic, someone that jumped off a 10 story building didn't commit suicide; the sidewalk at the end of the free-fall killed them. Whaaaaa...?! Jumping off a 10 story building is like walking on tracks, or on a trestle? Shirley you jest. Or is that surely? Is a female walking in a dark alley asking for rape? In your logic?
Well... I have always been told that falling from a great height does not kill you... it is the abrupt stop at the end.
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a woman walking in a dark alley is not the same as walking on train tracks. there is nothing illegal about walking in a dark alley. and maybe her home or her boyfriend or her parents or children live at the end of the dark alley and it is the only route she can take
in some neighborhoods just possibly one does not need to be a woman to think twice about entering.
walking on train tracks. i happen to do it on occasion on saturday, the jewish sabbath. the light rail never operates on saturday until sundown. so walking on the tracks can be safe, --- if one looks out carefully for cyclists and only does it before sundown on saturday..
daveklepperBuxtehud, thank you from the bottom and top of my heart, and yes, Bach did walk from Germany into Holland on foot just to hear your namesake play his music on the organ.
Let me give you the facts on Buxtehude from a pretty well-documented Wiki article.
"His post in the free Imperial city of Lübeck [at Marienkirche (St. Mary's Church) across the street, BTW, from Thomas Mann's birthplace] afforded him considerable latitude in his musical career, and his autonomy was a model for the careers of later Baroque masters such as George Frideric Handel, Johann Mattheson, Georg Philipp Telemann and Johann Sebastian Bach. In 1673 he reorganized a series of evening musical performances, initiated by Tunder, known as Abendmusik,which attracted musicians from diverse places and remained a feature of the church until 1810. In 1703, Handel and Mattheson both traveled to meet Buxtehude, who was by then elderly and ready to retire. He offered his position in Lübeck to Handel and Mattheson but stipulated that the organist who ascended to it must marry his eldest daughter, Anna Margareta. Both Handel and Mattheson turned the offer down and left the day after their arrival. In 1705, J.S. Bach, then a young man of twenty, walked from Arnstadt to Lübeck [which is in northern Germany on the Baltic, not Holland] a distance of more than 400 kilometres (250 mi), and stayed nearly three months to hear the Abendmusik,meet the pre-eminent Lübeck organist, hear him play, and, as Bach explained, "to comprehend one thing and another about his art".
Dave... what's the name of that CD?
BTW, it's Marilyn Mason, guys. (And to further digress a moment, one of her colleagues in Michigan has recorded all the works of Bach... and made them available on line... as free downloads... )
And here is an interesting take on Buxtehude, transcribed by someone you might not expect...
And while we're on the subject of great female keyboard artists who have Japanese ancestry, here is Alice Sara Ott performing my father's favorite piece of music...
Thanks for changing the headline.
Yes. Stories are like that. So, it was Handel and Mattheson, but not Bach. But, you know, I read that it was Bach from an actual book. You'd think that the author would have researched the authenticity of his declarations. And Bach walked, not 500 miles, but only 250. Now I know. I'm going to copy your explanation to my journal so that I'll always have it with me. Thank you, again and again.
"Expect a train at any time on any track in any direction"...sound familiar?
Thanks. Maybe there should be a classical music thread here. Pop music has its place on one of the "permanent" social cafe threads, AFAIL.
wanswheel http://books.google.com/books?id=6eMPAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA256&dq=%22JOHANN+SEBASTIAN+BACH+%22+SPITTA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nSU9VJ6BJpX-yQTz_IGgCA&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false See, here the distance traveled was only 50 miles, but he walked on foot. And hey, they have classical music channels on Amtrak sleeper coaches, only I've never found one that actually worked.
See, here the distance traveled was only 50 miles, but he walked on foot. And hey, they have classical music channels on Amtrak sleeper coaches, only I've never found one that actually worked.
BuxtehudeSee, here the distance traveled was only 50 miles, but he walked on foot. And hey, they have classical music channels on Amtrak sleeper coaches, only I've never found one that actually worked.
The book is incorrect. The distance from Arnstadt to Lübeck is about 380 km = 236 miles, one way.
The only thing I have been able to listen to in a sleeper (sleepers are not coaches) for quite some time is the announcements that come from the operating crew and from the on board service crew. It is possible to turn that off so your sleep will not be disturbed in the middle of the night--just remember to turn it back on in the morning.
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schlimm It makes it sound as though human lives are less important than a railroad.
perhaps the locals might like this one better: "Engineer/Locomotive ambushed in trespasser attack"?
schlimm Buxtehude See, here the distance traveled was only 50 miles, but he walked on foot. And hey, they have classical music channels on Amtrak sleeper coaches, only I've never found one that actually worked. The book is incorrect. The distance from Arnstadt to Lübeck is about 380 km = 236 miles, one way.
Buxtehude See, here the distance traveled was only 50 miles, but he walked on foot. And hey, they have classical music channels on Amtrak sleeper coaches, only I've never found one that actually worked.
As strange as it may seem, a German mile was longer than an English mile. I do not know just what the proportion is, for I never worried about the difference.
The German mile varied in length on which kingdom or duchy and at what time, but mostly 24606 feet. Bach walked about 235 English miles by Google map. Converting to the old system equals 50.4 German miles. Not only a musical genius, but also a pretty good walker (470 English mile round trip)!!
Deggesty The only thing I have been able to listen to in a sleeper (sleepers are not coaches) for quite some time is the announcements that come from the operating crew and from the on board service crew. It is possible to turn that off so your sleep will not be disturbed in the middle of the night--just remember to turn it back on in the morning.
Aren't sleepers coaches when they aren't being sleepers? I mean, technically?
i don't want to side in this controversy, but sleeping cars are usually the description of the equipment, not how it is used.
For example, if I place some drums of oil on a flat car, or one large tank of oil, does that make the flatcar a tank car?
Usually, as on the wartime NYNH&H - B&M Day Express, sleepers in daytime service were used as parlor cars. (This train was the night-time STate-of-Maine eqipment making a daytime reverse move, both directions.) An exception was when all-coach lightweight streamliners, specifically the Champion, Silver Meteor, and Souterner, were so late northbound, that they would be terminated in Washington or Philadelphia, and a makeup train of sleeping cars (that would otherwise be resting at Sunnyside) would be used by the PRR to take passengers to them and bring the northbound riders to Trenton, Newark. and NY.
My all-Buxtehude Mason - Fisk recording appears missing, Was it a prodcut of my imagination? It would be a Musical Heritage Society, and I did find the two recordings of Pachelbel's organ music by this label. I have some Buxtehude music (P&F Fsharp) on the Priory label with John Scott Whitey at the Muller organ in Haarlem. Some other important music that I thought I had in my collection, mostly contemporary organ music, Neilsen and Janacek, also appears missing. Possibly this was material I listened to frequently on LPs and never did get to my cd collection.
in any case, at the moment I have a problem, and all the techies that can usually help are on vacation. at various times microsoft, which has my email address, bombards me with software upgrades i jusually just say no, and bypass, because i am involved in serious communication and don't feel the upgrade. whatever it is, is worth the time and the interruption in what i am doing
now i have run into a serious problem i love music and require my computer to play cd's but now my comoputer tellsl me that your media player is not installed properly. wmp.dll version 900.4503 is present where 900.4510 is expected. or something close to that when i tried to fix the problem with the microsoft website they say i do not have administatrive privileges on my own computer! i want your help. wmp.dll should be in the windows\system32 directory if you have the 4510 version of wmp.dll, send it to me as an attachment or maybe you can advise me where to get a music and a dvd playback program from the web, free and without microsoft direct involvement?
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