QUOTE: Originally posted by shrek623 What if C-A-T really spelled DOG!!!! Shrek
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QUOTE: Originally posted by railman aye yi yi....
QUOTE: Originally posted by MP57313 QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod {Groan} is right! "Did you get it?" It's times like these that make me glad the '70s are over... Agreed!! Actually I did "get it" and learned some other things at the training, some of which I still follow to this day. "Be Here Now" was definitely useful in the real world (i.e. pay attention to the large vehicles on the road next to you, not just the color of the traffic light). If the light is green, and there's a large tra***ruck stopped ahead of you, DON'T CRASH INTO IT! But some of the other positions and arguments they made were just nuts. And the est lingo..."you created it" "you chose it" {Cyber-Hurl}
QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod {Groan} is right! "Did you get it?" It's times like these that make me glad the '70s are over...
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod The right answer is "The sound of one hand clapping is the sound of one hand clapping." It is what it is -- naming it or understanding it doesn't change anything... let it be. You have accepted it for whatever it is, and allowed it to be whatever it is, etc. etc. etc.
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon In the immortal words of Buckaroo Banzai..."Wherever you go, there you are"
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod Here's the short course on enlightenment for you: You need to remember the basic tenets of Buddhism, one of which boils down to 'ignore aspects of reality that cause you pain to think about.' One part of 'enlightenment' is to come to the understanding that things don't change just because you can give them a name... or even comprehend what they are, or what they do. (More familiar example: the God of the Old Testament...) I used to teach this in Sunday School -- ask any group of enthusiastic trying-hard-to-be-Christians this question. The very first thing everyone tries to do is wrong! They figure it's like school questions, where the answer is some kind of restatement or parallel -- "What's the sound of a bell?" -- Ding, clang, whooooOOOOOnnnnnnggggg, etc. This isn't like that. It's an exercise in frustration precisely because you can't get a physical clap without two hands. That does NOT mean you can't have "the sound of one hand clapping", though -- note that I just wrote it down. What it DOES mean is that any attempt to translate "the sound of one hand clapping" to another noun is wrong. The right answer is "The sound of one hand clapping is the sound of one hand clapping." It is what it is -- naming it or understanding it doesn't change anything... let it be. You have accepted it for whatever it is, and allowed it to be whatever it is, etc. etc. etc. If anybody complains that this is no proper answer... get THEM to give you a better one, and prove it. If they are intelligent, it shuts them right up, if they aren't... well, you find that out right away, too ;-} Note that you have to change your understanding of the world, language, and semantics to arrive at this answer. THAT is the point of the question, and of a koan in general: the actual "answer" is of minimal utility. (This is also why so many Zen sayings don't make much sense... parables too...) So in a nutshell Master Overmod, you are saying that he is not ready yet to be a Jedi Knight.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod Here's the short course on enlightenment for you: You need to remember the basic tenets of Buddhism, one of which boils down to 'ignore aspects of reality that cause you pain to think about.' One part of 'enlightenment' is to come to the understanding that things don't change just because you can give them a name... or even comprehend what they are, or what they do. (More familiar example: the God of the Old Testament...) I used to teach this in Sunday School -- ask any group of enthusiastic trying-hard-to-be-Christians this question. The very first thing everyone tries to do is wrong! They figure it's like school questions, where the answer is some kind of restatement or parallel -- "What's the sound of a bell?" -- Ding, clang, whooooOOOOOnnnnnnggggg, etc. This isn't like that. It's an exercise in frustration precisely because you can't get a physical clap without two hands. That does NOT mean you can't have "the sound of one hand clapping", though -- note that I just wrote it down. What it DOES mean is that any attempt to translate "the sound of one hand clapping" to another noun is wrong. The right answer is "The sound of one hand clapping is the sound of one hand clapping." It is what it is -- naming it or understanding it doesn't change anything... let it be. You have accepted it for whatever it is, and allowed it to be whatever it is, etc. etc. etc. If anybody complains that this is no proper answer... get THEM to give you a better one, and prove it. If they are intelligent, it shuts them right up, if they aren't... well, you find that out right away, too ;-} Note that you have to change your understanding of the world, language, and semantics to arrive at this answer. THAT is the point of the question, and of a koan in general: the actual "answer" is of minimal utility. (This is also why so many Zen sayings don't make much sense... parables too...)
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