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EMDs new creation
Posted by Mr. Railman on Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:44 PM

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Look at the locomotive...what is the first thing that comes to mind when viewing this locomotive?

http://www.emdiesels.com/emdweb/products/pdf/2-sidersENG_LTR_proof_rev5RevE.pdf 

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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:52 PM

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Mr. Railman on Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:04 PM

My first thought was "Frog"

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:11 PM

1st thought... AMTRAK

2nd thought... big cardboard box.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:11 PM

Mr. Railman
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Look at the locomotive...what is the first thing that comes to mind when viewing this locomotive?

http://www.emdiesels.com/emdweb/products/pdf/2-sidersENG_LTR_proof_rev5RevE.pdf  

GE's Genesis/ P42 series.  That poor design continues to propagate - geez, I hope there's not a whole generation of folks now thinking that's a 'normal' train ! 

Noted railroad industrial designers Raymond Loewy, Henry Dreyfuss, Otto Kuhler, et al., must be rolling over in their graves (or contemplating coming back as Zombies !!! Mischief )  

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:12 PM

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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:19 PM

Those are not actual ditchlights because they are mounted too high above the curve of the nose.

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:00 PM

We called the P42's Fiberglass Bricks .....Here come da concrete paver.

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Posted by chutton01 on Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:30 PM

Paul_D_North_Jr
GE's Genesis/ P42 series.  That poor design continues to propagate - geez, I hope there's not a whole generation of folks now thinking that's a 'normal' train ! 

Well....

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Posted by edblysard on Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:44 PM

My first thought was an export model, but it is too big and too much horse power.

Then a re-worked P42/Genesis in prototype.

Actually, between this and a Genesis, I like this better.  

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Posted by eagle1030 on Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:46 PM

Revival of CB&Q's shovelnose?

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Posted by eagle1030 on Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:53 PM

On a more serious note, will this loco end Amtrak's practice of putting two engines on a 110 mph train (i.e., Illinois, Michigan)?

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Posted by jclass on Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:38 PM

Battering ram

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, March 29, 2013 12:47 AM

So that is what the new Metrolink (Los Angeles, CA) units will look like (design-wise)

LINK:  A Metrolink Roster (See F125)

I wonder what people will think seeing one of those doing 79 M.P.H. in reverse!

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, March 29, 2013 7:20 AM

It doesn't look all that different from the suburban locomotives being built by MPI.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 29, 2013 8:11 AM

That looks like a very preliminary design mockup computer model.  That recessed area just above the plow looks kind of lumpy and undeveloped.   The small square covers do not seem to fit very well.  I suspect that the production design will be quite a bit different in all those cab details.  The headlights are hideously yesterday's news. 

The front end looks 100% automotive with the general feel of the Chevy Volt.  The way that upper front cowling is designed, I get the impression that you could “pop the hood” and add windshield washer fluid.

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Posted by henry6 on Friday, March 29, 2013 8:13 AM

First,it is an artist's rendition.  Second, I think it looks clean and sleek and streamlined.  Not too much different than most passenger locomotives of today.  Not sure of the size however...if big it might be very brutish; if small, it might look fast.  Definitely not an SD-45 or SDM-70!

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Posted by eolafan on Friday, March 29, 2013 8:18 AM

In an effort to keep my weight down, my wife buys "Fig Newtons" in a single small box holding one rwo of cookies (rather than a large box with two rows of cookies)...this picture reminded me of one of those "single row" boxes (that I hate so much because I can't eat to my heart's contentment).

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Posted by Victrola1 on Friday, March 29, 2013 8:53 AM

The aesthetics are uninspired. Chrome eyebrows over the front lights and set of tail fins would let  this locomotive make a statement of speed and power, even when sitting still.

Looks sell. General Motors discovered that with autos long ago.

Equipment appearance is part of the package to attract passengers. EMD used to run ads touting their passenger locomotives to the general public as they did with a new Pontiac. It worked.

Would you rather pay to ride in a Chevy Volt, or a '59 Cadillac convertible?

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Posted by MidlandMike on Friday, March 29, 2013 9:18 AM

They seem to make a point of  "fabricated trucks".  As opposed to cast(?) trucks?

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Posted by Rikers Yard on Friday, March 29, 2013 11:39 AM

First thing? Omg it's ugly! If this is the return of the cab unit, I hope it goes away again. It's not even aerodynamic. In this case, looks are not the selling point, how if performs is. Locomotives arn't built to be pretty, they are built to be functional. Manufacturers learned that in the 1950's. all that pretty stuff cost money and adds unnecessary weight.  FM advertised that their OP engine added weight for traction, EMD did the same thing with a concrete block. This is why we have road switchers instead of cab units. Locomotives should be compaired to bull dozers, not cars. In my humble opinion!

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Posted by henry6 on Friday, March 29, 2013 11:55 AM

Tim, I guess the difference in view is whether you are in the operating or marketing departments.  There has to be a visual value for marketing which you don't care about in operating. However, I do disagree with you as to the aerodynamics of this locomotive, the does seem to have a semblance of  sweeping or scooping the air from low to above the windshields.  And you're right in that it looks like an EMD F or E unit whose face is swollen!

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 29, 2013 12:12 PM

The EMD F-unit nose was an unusually inspired design style.  Baldwin proved that a good looking front end is not easy when they brought out their baby face design.  FM proved it too. 

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Posted by SD70M-2Dude on Friday, March 29, 2013 12:31 PM

Looks to be based on the DE and DM30AC's that Long Island operates, I wouldn't be surprised if the same frame and body shell are used.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, March 29, 2013 2:39 PM

What is this one up manship in model numbers ??  Call it a F-12.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, March 29, 2013 5:18 PM

     Wonder bread.  2# loaf, white.

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Friday, March 29, 2013 5:35 PM

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     Wonder bread.  2# loaf, white.

That was what i was thinking....

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Posted by Deggesty on Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:14 AM

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Look at the locomotive...what is the first thing that comes to mind when viewing this locomotive?

http://www.emdiesels.com/emdweb/products/pdf/2-sidersENG_LTR_proof_rev5RevE.pdf  

GE's Genesis/ P42 series.  That poor design continues to propagate - geez, I hope there's not a whole generation of folks now thinking that's a 'normal' train ! 

Noted railroad industrial designers Raymond Loewy, Henry Dreyfuss, Otto Kuhler, et al., must be rolling over in their graves (or contemplating coming back as Zombies !!! Mischief )  

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Paul, let's hook the designers you named up to electricity generators and solve the power problem.

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