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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:02 AM

In the past few days, I had occasion to ride Metra into Chicago twice ("TrainGranny" was in town, and had never been to Chicago before--so I walked them around the Loop and environs on Sunday after she and her sister had arrived on the Capitol Limited, and yesterday Pat and I took them to Navy Pier...not much railfanning on those trips, but we had lots of fun, and talked train travel).

(TrainGranny has been blogging about her recent adventures:  http://www.traingranny.com/)

The trips to Chicago, though, were fairly revealing of progress being made on the expansion projects in the area of Proviso.  A crushed limestone base has been spread and compacted for the new third main track for about half of the distance between Berkeley and Bellwood, and grading has been completed elsewhere in that stretch.  Large holes in the ground alongside the tracks on both sides reveal where the pedestrian tunnels at Bellwood and Berkeley will be; it appears that Bellwood will also be getting a new station platform just east of the existing one. 

New signals are popping up like weeds...in fact there are now poles with two- and three-head signals (covered in plastic) in places where the tracks have yet to be laid--quite far from existing tracks.  The limits for Park (the control point at the west end of Proviso) will be extended further east, based on signal footings observed.  In fact, a new bridge will be built at the spot where, a long time ago, there was a distant signal for the original HM Interlocking.  Not beyond the realm of possibility would be the separation of this plant into two adjoining control points, in much the same manner as has been done at Kedzie, close in to Chicago.

East of Bellwood, in the Field of Trackless Signal Poles, large areas have been covered with compacted limestone.  Main lines will be relocated here; I presume that it will be easy enough to actually slide some of the tracks into their new positions, where possible.  The old tail track east of Proviso has been rebuilt and connected to the main line at roughly 19th Avenue (the control point currently at 25th Avenue will be moved east to 19th).  Signal bridges at this point have been up for a while, but are still not in service.  The new IHB connection via the flyover bridge appears to be connected and completed, though I haven't been lucky enough to see any trains on it yet.

Work is also finally underway at the site of the new mainline crossovers in Wheaton--truck trailers for signal supplies have been moved in there, and earth-moving equipment is moving some earth.  There is a grade-crossing closure (and replacement pedestrian underpass) that's supposed to be done in connection with this crossover; I haven't seen evidence of that yet.

A replacement signal bridge for the westward home signal at West Chicago will soon be erected.  This doesn't appear to be necessary for any track-work, so it must be a requirement in connection with new signals that are PTC-compatible.  As of now, these are the easternmost searchlight signals of the original CTC system between West Chicago and Nelson; most of the other control-point signals have already been replaced with color-light heads.

The expansions on this part of the line haven't gotten as much coverage as other UP expansion projects, but I'm sure the results will be every bit as helpful to projected increases in traffic.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, April 27, 2012 2:39 PM

We had an eventful hour train-watching in Elmhurst this noon (that was about all we could spare..honest!).  As we arrived, the two hourly scoots were both departing the station.  About ten minutes later, a westbound manifest went by (I think it may have been the West Chicago guy).  He was followed surprisingly closely by another westbound manifest, with cars destined for North Platte.  My view of this train was soon obscured by an eastbound stack train, which stopped for a time waiting for the manifest to clear.  After all of this action in the first half-hour, there was a brief lull before an eastbound manifest (MCBPR?  MDMPR?  I can't tell any more) arrived.  As it was clearing the control point, a westbound train of loaded auto racks came around the yard and blew by.  We didn't wait for the westbound that was poking his nose out of the yard...ditch lights were lit, so we knew that he would be coming out sometime soon.  As we left, though, a short work train powered by a GP15-1 headed east through town.  He had some HLMX ballast cars that had been rebuilt and shortened from old quadruple hopper cars (now only two sets of hoppers).  That was the last train we saw in Elmhurst--the eighth in under an hour.  However, the next westbound scoot beat us into Lombard.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Friday, April 27, 2012 3:32 PM

CShaveRR
[snipped - PDN] The trips to Chicago, though, were fairly revealing of progress being made on the expansion projects in the area of Proviso.

  What you need now, Carl, is an eastward visit by K.P. Harrier and his trusty camera to take and post photos depicting and to correlate with your similarly thorough and detailed report !  Smile, Wink & Grin Thanks for sharing.  Thumbs Up

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, April 27, 2012 5:16 PM

Agreed!  If every picture K.P. took would save one of us a thousand words, it would be very worthwhile.

KP has expressed interest in the CREATE program, and I'm sure I could keep him occupied for at least a month of good weather (how many calendars would that take?) just scouting out what's going on.  Most of what I was describing around Proviso, from Elmhurst to 19th Avenue, are part of CREATE project B-2.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Friday, April 27, 2012 9:49 PM

Link to CREATE Project B-2 "Fact Sheet" - includes an aerial-photo type map: http://www.createprogram.org/factsheets/B2.pdf 

Glen Ellyn "e-newsletter" of Feb. 08, 2012: http://www.glenellyn.org/enewsletter/2012/02_08_12.pdf 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:16 AM

Happy birthday today to Forum contributor and intrepid globetrotter Don Oltmann!

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, April 30, 2012 10:55 AM

Don's birthday party must be quite a wingding; nobody has been able to post in the lounge for almost two days!Big Smile

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, April 30, 2012 11:54 AM

You got that right, Johnny!  Except that the guest of honor hasn't been around here in a while (he was on Facebook, though).  I celebrated a little late by devouring a couple of (pan)cakes for brunch at church yesterday...supports an upcoming mission of mercy to western Kentucky. 

The actual day was aided by a trip to an embroidery artist who will do the lettering on three of the four banners Pat's currently working on for our church.  (I'm usually Pat's color consultant, so I often have a hand in this...such as coming up with a "pastel black" material for one of them [inside joke]).

I also finished with a pad of old freight-car sightings from August 2007 yesterday, and am now working on computerizing another pad, this one with sightings from March 2008.  The very first sighting in that pad has so far caused the creation of two new files, and upgrades to at least twelve others...should keep me busy for the rest of the day.

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Monday, April 30, 2012 10:23 PM

Yikes Carl.  Sounds like job security!

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:25 AM

Pastel Black.  Sounds like a good question next time I'm in the fabric store (yes, I do occasionally do some sewing).  Devil

All quiet on this front.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, May 1, 2012 2:58 PM

They'd probably point you in the direction of the grays, Larry.  The material we used is mostly black, with bits of brown and green in it--it won't be too much of a shock in the field of other pastel colors on these banners.

Our continued prayers and wishes for Jean (Mrs. Quentin) 's recovery, after a bit of a setback.  (Hmmm...would she be "Modelsidecar?")

I ran my bill-paying errands by bicycle today...that included a 16-mile trip to Elmhurst and back (only five or so miles by rail, but I take the scenic route, and bikes can't always go as straight as the trains do), and about an hour trackside which passed quickly as I was writing a letter.  Not too much spectacular today, except the chance to see how the Lombard crossovers are advantageous when a track crew has one of the tracks out of service between Elmhurst and Lombard.  The westbound scoots had to use the center track for boarding and debarking at Elmhurst and Villa Park, but before the crossovers there would have been five other stations where that inconvenience would have had to be tolerated.

Also saw a lady with two very young girls in a side-by-side stroller, who just came out to watch the trains.   She was lucky...a freight came from each direction within about ten minutes of the time I was talking to her.

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Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:18 PM

A tree that sews; a chicken that flies thru windows; BC with a quill and inkpot and some parchment;

The things you don't find out on this forum. 

Embarrassed or were you using your laptop? 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:09 PM

I was using paper, a pen (ball-point), and a clipboard, SJ...this correspondent doesn't have a computer.  I had an addressed envelope with me, so the letter was signed, sealed, and is probably sitting in the PO for delivery.

Besides, SILP needs some computer time, too, so I left it home for her.

Hey, if you're a fan of "Wait-Wait Don't Tell Me", I guess they're taping in Lincoln this week.  I read that tickets may still be available.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, May 3, 2012 5:03 PM

Attention, homeowners! Be on the lookout! 'Tis the season, apparently.

Even an animal lover like I has to draw the line somewhere--and for me, gypsy moth caterpillars slither well on the other side of that line.

Note: they are easier to spot and squish from a bicycle than from a car.

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Kind thoughts, please, for daughter Ellen, who goes in for thyroid surgery sometime tomorrow.  We don't know when or for how long, but she expects to be kept overnight.  Husband and kids will be well taken care of while this is going on.

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, May 3, 2012 5:11 PM

Mookie
A tree that sews;

I've done some embroidery, too. Cool  I'll have to take a picture of my major project to share.

Carl - I could see a tablet computer being handy for you, although I'm pretty sure even I could scribble car numbers faster than I could enter them on the touchscreen.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:03 PM

Larry, I do best when the trains are moving slowly; not sure I can keyboard well enough to do it while still searching the car for info.  I do bring my laptop on occasion, for data entry after the train's gone and before I forget what my scribblings mean.

Tonight I get hauled up before the village Board of Trustees.  I guess it's something I wrote...

It's all good, though.

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:17 PM

Mud is going home to drain a bottle of PDN's favorite barleypop.

Why is it that I get the client and client's engineer that want to kill somebody working on a railroad? Client is an Agri-dummy and his el-cheapo rubber tired engineer thinks twenty degree reverse curves with a switch off the inside of the curve is no big deal? (builds the building first, then tries to build/jam-in the track to serve it....has not contacted the railroad yet.)

Think I'm gonna fire the client, and send a nastygram to the board.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Thursday, May 3, 2012 8:00 PM

Well, it's appropriately named, then - "Railbender" (Erie Brewing) - and that's what they make it for . . . Smile, Wink & Grin  Beer

I thought that by now, the industries and consultants were past that kind of stupidity . . . Dunce  Maybe they thought because it can be done with HO scale Snap-Trak [TM], it can be done on the real thing, too ?  Sigh  My sympathies, bro'.  Class I or a shortline serving them ? (just curious if there was anyone else in sight who might have been able to catch that mistake in time - not that it's the RR's duty, of course)

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Posted by zardoz on Thursday, May 3, 2012 8:24 PM

CShaveRR

Larry, I do best when the trains are moving slowly; not sure I can keyboard well enough to do it while still searching the car for info.  I do bring my laptop on occasion, for data entry after the train's gone and before I forget what my scribblings mean.

Carl, might I suggest getting a small hand-held audio recorder. That way you could just speak the numbers and then transcribe them later.

Or get a cheap digital camera and take a photo of each car as it passes.

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Posted by zugmann on Friday, May 4, 2012 7:39 AM

mudchicken

Mud is going home to drain a bottle of PDN's favorite barleypop.

Why is it that I get the client and client's engineer that want to kill somebody working on a railroad? Client is an Agri-dummy and his el-cheapo rubber tired engineer thinks twenty degree reverse curves with a switch off the inside of the curve is no big deal? (builds the building first, then tries to build/jam-in the track to serve it....has not contacted the railroad yet.)

Think I'm gonna fire the client, and send a nastygram to the board.

 

I bet this is the same guy that designed a propane unloading place that is on a pretty good downhill slope (towards the bumper), and to spot the first tank car, you have to have the knuckle literally less than 6" from the bumper (did I mention this is a downhill track?) and what's beyond the bumper?  A 30' drop.  Bang Head 

This place has a lead and several sidings coming off the lead.  The one siding actually has 2 clearance points.  The parallel(ish) tracks get further apart for about 3 car-lengths, then come back together to foul. Bang Head  I have got to win the lottery so I can go to engineering school...

 

In other news...  have a decision to make.  Soliciting dispatcher resumes, but I am also slowly getting close to hogger school (not there yet, but maybe in under 3 years?)  I don't know.... ...  ...

 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by mudchicken on Friday, May 4, 2012 7:41 AM

Paul_D_North_Jr

Well, it's appropriately named, then - "Railbender" (Erie Brewing) - and that's what they make it for . . . Smile, Wink & Grin  Beer

I thought that by now, the industries and consultants were past that kind of stupidity . . . Dunce  Maybe they thought because it can be done with HO scale Snap-Trak [TM], it can be done on the real thing, too ?  Sigh  My sympathies, bro'.  Class I or a shortline serving them ? (just curious if there was anyone else in sight who might have been able to catch that mistake in time - not that it's the RR's duty, of course)

- Paul North.      

PDN: Little used branchline of a Class 1, we got pulled into this by our Cx people who got involved in the plant processing side of the game. (we recently lost a very visible high tech bldg proposal in the same area over cost when we red-flagged a set of encroachments on the the other Cls 1 in the state; the winning proposal was given to a firm that made front page news in the state for failed structural building designs in schools....and life goes onSigh), it does not matter if it's high tech or Ag low tech, cost spread sheets tend to blind equally. Get ready for a pair of new stupid zones.

Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west
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Posted by edblysard on Friday, May 4, 2012 7:51 AM

On the inside?

Is there a soft spot for the cars to land on?

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 4, 2012 7:56 AM

Haven't heard much from Dale ("Nanaimo 73") lately, but today's his birthday (thanks to the flat-wheelers for pointing that out!).  He's another guy you can count on (along with Paul North) for finding references quickly.  Happy birthday, Dale!

And happy Star Wars Day to everyone!  (Thanks, Dan!)

Haven't seen a public announcement yet, but Lombard has been designated as a "Train Town" by the Union Pacific.  The village got a large aluminum sign (suitable for posting at village limits or something...more might be available), a commemorative coin, and will be receiving a set of banners that will be hung in the vicinity of the train station (probably after the Lilac Time banners are taken down in three weeks or so).  As the culprit who wrote the application at the request of the Historical Society (who got the request from the Village), I was at the ceremony last night.

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Posted by rvos1979 on Friday, May 4, 2012 9:05 AM

mudchicken
Mud is going home to drain a bottle of PDN's favorite barleypop.

Why is it that I get the client and client's engineer that want to kill somebody working on a railroad? Client is an Agri-dummy and his el-cheapo rubber tired engineer thinks twenty degree reverse curves with a switch off the inside of the curve is no big deal? (builds the building first, then tries to build/jam-in the track to serve it....has not contacted the railroad yet.)

Think I'm gonna fire the client, and send a nastygram to the board.

Reminds me of a few places I go into in the Northeast that believe we can get a 75 foot long vehicle into a place designed for the horse and wagon.  You never know how tight a spot one can get a trailer into until you try (like the beer distributor in Randolph, MA; by the time I got it square into the dock, the guy next to me couldn't open his drivers door, our mirrors were overlapping).

I do wish Millis would spec the trailers with extra long slider rails, makes it a lot easier to get in spots when the tandems can go nearly to the middle of the trailer.......

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Posted by mudchicken on Friday, May 4, 2012 9:10 AM

edblysard

On the inside?

Is there a soft spot for the cars to land on?

Yep - Might get Hulcher to relocate to there and place a big sandpile to boot. Add in replacing a switch point protector every few months.

With a number 8 turnout, that's almost a thirty degree curve Ick! ....Numbnuts, the engineer, pointed at a switch table and said that it was only a 9-31'-06", I about gagged. Do Engineering schools ever put out recall notices?

I assume my favorite switchman shoves downhill against the handbrakes on the car to a hook? How many track bumpers have been replaced at $1500 a pop? (those things the knuckle shouldn't touch!)

Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west
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Posted by zugmann on Friday, May 4, 2012 9:20 AM

mudchicken

 

 

I assume my favorite switchman shoves downhill against the handbrakes on the car to a hook? How many track bumpers have been replaced at $1500 a pop? (those things the knuckle shouldn't touch!)

 

I don't know what that guy does, but for me, it depends on the hogger.  A good hogger? No worries.  A lesser hogger?  Yeah, best be safe.   I swear... that is one of those places that is a textbook of how not to design a hazmat rail facility.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 4, 2012 1:55 PM

This just in:

Congrats to Willy2, our Forum meteorologist, who "Received official notification today that I've been accepted for a SCEP internship with the Air Force Weather Agency at Offutt AFB!"

(Offutt is downriver from Omaha, in southeastern Nebraska.)

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Posted by Mookie on Friday, May 4, 2012 2:07 PM

Congrats to Willy!  Thumbs Up

Any word on Ellen?

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Posted by WMNB4THRTL on Friday, May 4, 2012 3:55 PM

Mookie

Congrats to Willy!  Thumbs Up

Any word on Ellen?

 

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Friday, May 4, 2012 9:08 PM

CShaveRR

/snipped/ And happy Star Wars Day to everyone!  (Thanks, Dan!)

You're welcome Carl.  I had a Wookie Steak for dinner tonight.  Surely you've had one...you know, a little Chewy?  Hehe...

ATCS is live and humming up here.  Having a 4G Android and a laptop/radio rig makes "surgical strikes" much more predictable now.

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