Edited to set links directly through http://www.historicaerials.com
Earlier Imagery of Jacksonville, FL has given us two more, but deletes an error.
Jacksonville, FL - 30°19'54.96"N 81°40'45.45"W - roundhouse/turntable - 1960 and 1971 imagery. Jacksonville, FL - 30°19'41.16"N 81°42'30.08"W - transfer table - 1960, 1971 and 1980 imagery Jacksonville, FL - 30°19'29.60"N 81°39'53.25"W - This structure doesn't exist in 1960. It's just a wedge-shaped building. Providence, RI - 41°50'16.20"N 71°25'7.52"W - footprint 1955 imagery Providence, RI - 41°49'31.60"N 71°25'44.66"W - footprint in 1955 imagery Providence, RI - 41°50'23.42"N 71°25'4.39"W - roundhouse/turntable 1955 and 1963 imagery This page shows four. I found visual evidence for two of those plus another one not shown.
Jersey City, NJ - 40°43'38.62"N 74° 2'8.14"W - roundhouse/turntable in 1931, 1954 and 1966 imagery. Another in Secaucus, NJ - 40°45'52.13"N 74° 4'37.29"W - roundhouse/turntable in 1966 & prior imagery. Hoboken, NJ - 40°44'7.28"N 74° 2'12.80"W - roundhouse/turntable visible before 1987. Pemberton, NJ - 39°58'39.16"N 74°40'57.53"W - turntable in 1940 imagery Cresskill, NJ - 40°56'38.31"N 73°57'44.90"W - turntable best seen in 1954 Red Bank, NJ - 40°20'40.69"N 74° 4'19.66"W - turntable best seen prior to 1957. Long Branch, NJ - 40°17'58.48"N 73°59'21.58"W - turntable visible prior to 1957. 1920 imagery also shows an engine house. Whiting, NJ - 39°57'3.78"N 74°22'42.48"W - turntable best seen prior to 1956. Barnegat, NJ - 39°45'30.07"N 74°13'18.59"W - turntable best seen 1940 and 1951. Point Pleasant Beach, NJ - 40° 5'37.95"N 74° 2'51.77"W - turntable best seen prior to 1940. Paterson, NJ - 40°54'14.20"N 74° 9'46.76"W - turntable seen prior to 1995. Butler, NJ - 41° 0'16.56"N 74°20'43.84"W - turntable best seen prior to 1979. Dover, NJ - 40°53'0.55"N 74°32'56.29"W - turntable in 1931 imagery. Gladstone, NJ - 40°43'7.33"N 74°39'52.39"W - turntable/pit best seen prior to 1970. Ogdensburg, NJ - 41°4'0.30"N 74°34'14.91"W - Edison's Ogden Mines turntable pit best seen via defoliated imagery of 2002. Suffern, NY - 41° 7'11.79"N 74° 9'34.93"W - turntable seen prior to 1965 Nyack, NY - 41° 5'21.23"N 73°55'17.56"W - turntable seen prior to 1974
Well... I seem to have hit a limit on Google Earth. It does not seem to be a hard and fast limit, but if I add more that two or three new sites to the Places file, G.E. tells me it has made an error and must terminate. At that point, it loses everything added since I started the program for that session. I have spent the last couple of hours adding a couple of sites and then losing them.
While I try to figure out a work around for this, I won't be adding anything new to my files. I will first finish up a final post for here and then update the files for download. Then go figure out how to handle this.
Right now I am assuming I can export the Places list in sections, then clear/delete the present one and load only a portion which maybe then I can add to unhibited. Export the updated section, clear/delete it and load another section. A hassle, but maybe it will work. I already have it divided by U.S. and NON-U.S., so maybe for a while I can work with them individually, but I figure I may have to divide the U.S. list into two (maybe East and West of the Mississippi) and depending on how the Non-U.S. list grows I may need to break it into sections also.
When I get this figured out, I get back at it.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
Edit - Relevant images now link directly through http://www.historicaerials.com New Bern, NC - 35° 6'50.75"N 77° 2'28.08"W - Roundhouse/turntable shown in this 1884 photo. Anchorage, AK - 61°13'38.37"N 149°52'37.64"W - Roundhouse as seen in 1964 aerial photography. By this time the turntable had been replaced by a track fan. Van Horne, IA - 42° 0'21.46"N 92° 5'40.77"W - 20-stall footprint best seen in 1956 imagery. Audubon, IA - 41°43'7.74"N 94°56'11.09"W - CRI&P turntable best seen in 1955 image, although it's still difficult. Another in Ft. Dodge, IA - 42°29'35.25"N 94°11'1.42"W - roundhouse/turntable 1939 and 1953. Another in Clinton, IA - 41°49'30.84"N 90°12'11.28"W - roundhouse/turntable visible in 1937 and 1951.
Davenport, IA - 41°31'10.58"N 90°35'0.92"W - BCR&N-built modified rh/tt, razed in 1978.Sibley, IA - 43°23'44.69"N 95°45'6.33"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1954 Bellevue, IA - 42°15'9.74"N 90°25'25.67"W - Milw. narrow gauge (Cascade branch) three stall roundhouse/turntable. 1936 imagery. Cascade, IA - 42°18'11.44"N 91° 0'21.05"W - Milw. narrow gauge turntable site as published here. Visible in 1936. Waukon, IA - 43°15'53.08"N 91°28'30.63"W - Milw. turntable best visible in 1940 imagery. (Waukon branch.) Verified with track profiles and maps published here. Very difficult to see. Waukon Junction, IA - 43° 9'8.77"N 91°11'8.64"W - Precise location of former W&M narrow gauge turntable as published in this book. Elkader, IA - 42°51'6.97"N 91°23'56.79"W - Standard gauge Milw. turntable visible in 1936 imagery. Decorah, IA - 43°18'16.50"N 91°46'35.50"W - Rock Island turntable visible in 1940 and 1952 imagery. Part of the actual pit location remains un-redeveloped to this day. Visually verified by me May, 2010. Decorah, IA - 43°17'50.10"N 91°47'22.55"W - Milw. turntable most visible in 1940 imagery. Verified with track profiles in addition to a Sanborn map framed on the wall of the Hotel Winnesheik in Decorah. Mt Pleasant, IA - 40°58'19.18"N 91°33'11.16"W - turntable visible in 1937 imagery. Difficult to see. Elma, IA - 43°14'55.89"N 92°26'17.86"W - Turntable pit visible before 2004. Belle Plaine, IA - 41°53'46.85"N 92°16'45.15"W - turntable/roundhouse seen in 1936, 1937, and 1956 imagery. Clarion, IA - 42°43'39.87"N 93°44'25.36"W - CGW roundhouse/turntable in 1939 and 1958 imagery. Winterset, IA - 41°20'15.11"N 94° 1'3.64"W - turntable visible in 1938 and 1948. Pit remnants visible before 1995. Guthrie Center, IA - 41°40'29.26"N 94°30'21.38"W - turntable visible in 1938. Albia, IA - 41° 1'46.43"N 92°48'52.07"W - turntable visible in 1937 and 1950. West Union, IA - 42°57'10.54"N 91°48'18.97"W - Milw. narrow gauge turntable (West Union branch.) 1937 imagery. Muscatine, IA - 41°24'55.80"N 91° 3'10.59"W - Milw. turntable in 1937. Muscatine, IA - 41°25'0.80"N 91° 3'1.72"W - CRI&P single stall/turntable in 1937. Washington, IA - 41°18'10.51"N 91°41'5.52"W - CRI&P 3-stall roundhouse/turntable in 1937. Webster City, IA - 42°28'14.95"N 93°49'31.73"W - 3-stall roundhouse/turntable in 1939 image. Eagle Grove, IA - 42°40'9.62"N 93°54'9.42"W - large roundhouse/turntable in 1939 and 1958. Fort Madison, IA - 40°37'21.97"N 91°20'32.19"W - massive roundhouse/turntable - 1936 and 1956 Fort Madison, IA - 40°37'19.83"N 91°20'34.52"W - transfer table 1936 and 1956 Fort Madison, IA - 40°37'45.40"N 91°19'30.80"W - CFM&DM 3-stall roundhouse/turntable; 1936 and 1956 imagery. Tama, IA - 41°57'40.69"N 92°34'20.10"W - CNW roundhouse/turntable; 1937 and 1951. Marion, IA - 42° 1'57.91"N 91°35'11.33"W - Milw. turntable/footprint; 1936 and 1952. Montezuma, IA - 41°35'25.24"N 92°31'16.76"W - M&StL single stall/turntable; 1936 and 1951 Cumberland, IA - 41°16'13.04"N 94°52'25.11"W - CB&Q turntable; 1936 and 1952. Dows, IA - 42°39'38.56"N 93°30'2.55"W - 2-stall roundhouse/turntable; 1939, 1953, 1958. Vinton, IA - 42° 9'53.80"N 92° 0'45.13"W - CRI&P turntable visible in 1937. Harlan, IA - 41°39'6.54"N 95°18'53.45"W - CRI&P turntable; 1938 and 1950. Carson, IA - 41°14'8.22"N 95°25'24.83"W - CRI&P turntable; 1938 and 1950. Griswold, IA - 41°14'13.85"N 95° 8'18.43"W - turntable; 1936, 1938, and 1950. Shenandoah, IA - 40°46'3.22"N 95°22'29.13"W - turntable visible 1950 and prior. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°16'34.86"N 95°51'54.27"W - roundhouse/turntable visible in 1938 only. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°16'32.01"N 95°51'51.64"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Turntable remains today. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°14'48.10"N 95°52'37.29"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°14'25.83"N 95°50'57.95"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°14'42.96"N 95°51'10.24"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°14'49.43"N 95°50'57.86"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°14'59.47"N 95°51'24.41"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Sioux City, IA - 42°30'23.55"N 96°23'34.86"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1949. Sioux City, IA - 42°30'27.19"N 96°23'25.13"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1949. Plattsville. NE - 41° 0'18.98"N 95°53'3.73"W - roundhouse/turntable visible in 1950. Plattsville, NE - 41° 0'14.63"N 95°53'6.97"W - roundhouse/turntable visible in 1950. Omaha, NE - 41°17'28.11"N 95°56'2.39"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Omaha, NE - 41°17'41.77"N 95°56'2.66"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Omaha, NE - 41°13'27.69"N 95°58'23.04"W - turntable/footprint visible in 1950. Omaha, NE - 41°15'46.57"N 95°55'41.18"W - roundhouse/turntable 1938 and 1950. Turntable remains visible through 1993. Nebraska City, NE - 40°40'26.20"N 95°50'41.02"W - roundhouse/turntable visible in any image before 2000. Flemington, NJ - 40°30'22.08"N 74°51'40.66"W - "Turntable Junction" - turntable visible in imagery prior to 1956. Charleston, IL - 39°30'2.75"N 88°10'26.64"W - turntable pit best seen in 1998 and 2005 Google imagery. I lived there when the ancient 2-stall narrow gauge roundhouse was extant, before a tornado took it out. Inver Grove Heights, MN - 44°51'44.08"N 93° 1'5.36"W - RI roundhouse/turntable best seen in 1947 imagery. Yeah, that New Orleans listing should probably be re-named Avondale, LA.One Seattle listing should probably be re-named Magnolia, WA.Elroy, WI - A large roundhouse existed here, but I don't have any maps nor enough photographic evidence to mark its location.
Here's another batch for all to enjoy. Edit - relevant sites now linked via Historic Aerials.
Goldfield, NV - 37°43'2.85"N 117°14'3.61"W - T&T pit/footprint. Perris, CA - 33°45'44.09"N 117°13'56.21"W - ancient turntable Healdsburg, CA - 38°36'20.36"N 122°51'45.84"W - abandoned NWP 1906 turntable Bridgeport, CT - 41°10'13.41"N 73°11'1.76"W - large roundhouse/turntable 1949 imagery. South Berwick ME - 43°12'33.36"N 70°47'20.72"W - turntable pit with historic marker, best seen via defoliated 2003 Google imagery. Oakfield, ME - 46° 6'27.66"N 68° 8'50.47"W - footprint in 1996 Google image. Limestone, ME - 46°54'29.13"N 67°49'1.37"W - turntable in 1953 imagery. Corkscrew Gulch (CO) - 37°55'35.70"N 107°40'45.04"W - Remote Silverton Railroad turntable ruin, unusual in that it was used as part of a main line. Peoria, IL - 40°41'51.27"N 89°34'34.23"W - CRI&P turntable preserved in a park. Dupo, IL - 38°31'21.02"N 90°12'37.73"W - roundhouse/turntable 1940 and 1971 Cairo, IL - 36°59'49.89"N 89° 9'41.33"W - filled pit/footprint - roundhouse/turntable in 1938 image. Cairo, IL - 37° 0'21.73"N 89°10'15.94"W - filled pit/footprint - roundhouse/turntable in 1938 image. Ellicott City, MD - N 39° 16.040 W 076° 47.699 - Refurbished 1863 turntable/with historic marker. Swanton, VT - N 44° 55.001 W 073° 07.740 - pit/footprint/single stall preserved at Swanton Historical Society. Tilton, IL - 40° 5'51.32"N 87°39'4.11"W - Wabash pit outline Morrison, CO - N 39° 36.185 W 105° 13.395 - Tiny Town roundhouse/turntable Farmington, UT - N 40° 59.348 W 111° 55.428 - turntable (museum) Los Gatos, CA - 37°14'12.01"N 121°58'29.66"W - 15" gauge tourist railroad turntable. McKeesport, PA - 40°21'17.34"N 79°51'10.20"W - abandoned roundhouse; unusual bldg. arrangement. Pittsburgh, PA - 40°24'9.92"N 79°56'42.51"W - roundhouse/turntable visible through 1969 imagery. Austin, NV - 39°29'51.64"N 117° 4'57.27"W - Turntable site/footprint listed with the National Register of Historic Places N. Stratford, NH - 44°45'18.76"N 71°37'4.26"W - overgrown turntable, very easily seen in 1999 imagery when still in use. Cambridge, MA - 42°22'18.54"N 71° 4'29.52"W - roundhouse/turntable visible in 1955. Boston, MA - 42°22'50.09"N 71° 4'32.88"W - roundhouse visible through 1996. St. Louis, MO - 38°37'55.94"N 90°14'48.03"W - This turntable/roundhouse is already on the list, but I'm including it for a reference point, because there is another, smaller turntable just 300 feet to the east on the same lead track in 1958. (I'm also now seeing that there is a noticeable discrepancy between coordinates on Google Maps and Google Earth.) - 38°37'54.95"N 90°14'43.11"W. It just looks weird where it is. I have no idea what that rectangular thing is under the track between the two turntables, but it's a little clearer in 1971. St. Louis, MO - 38°36'17.94"N 90°18'41.51"W - roundhouse/turntable through 1971. St. Louis, MO - 38°37'29.83"N 90°13'42.96"W - turntable/footprint visible through 1971. St. Louis, MO - 38°41'57.63"N 90°13'5.28"W - footprint (roundhouse gone sometime after 1971.) St. Louis, MO - 38°34'19.35"N 90°27'43.77"W - uninstalled turntable at transportation museum. St. Louis, MO - 38°43'13.10"N 90°13'20.62"W - roundhouse/turntable 1958; 1971. Kirkwood, MO - 38°34'49.40"N 90°24'18.62"W - turntable in 1958. Herculaneum, MO - 38°15'47.76"N 90°22'27.62"W - 2-stalls/turntable visible in 1940. Crystal City MO - 38°13'25.82"N 90°23'2.69"W - turntable/roundhouse 1940 Crystal City, MO - 38°13'30.25"N 90°22'53.92"W - roundhouse/turntable 1940 - pit and foundation remain in 2012. Crystal City, MO - 38°13'3.99"N 90°22'23.36"W - single stall/turntable 1940 Big Valley, AB - 52° 1'57.66"N 112°44'56.84"W - abandoned pit/stone walls Wallaroo, South Australia, AU - 33°56'2.26"S 137°36'42.30"E - pit/footprint. Palau, Sardinia, Italy - 41°10'47.16"N 9°22'41.55"E - narrow gauge manual turntable Owen Sound, ON - 44°34'27.41"N 80°56'24.52"W - footprint - 1949 image shows roundhouse/turntable. Stratford, ON - 43°21'46.40"N 80°58'6.34"W - roundhouse/pit. Lagos Algarve Portugal - 37° 6'31.95"N 8°40'15.88"W - abandoned roundhouse/turntable next to new station. Chaves, Portugal - N 41° 44.836 W 007° 28.042 - preserved turntable next to new railway station Barca d'Alva, Portugal - N 41° 01.659 W 006° 56.038 - unusual abandoned roundhouse/turntable Papar, Malaysia - 5°43'57.45"N 115°55'58.40"E - turntable for the (meter gauge) North Borneo Railway.
I have wondered where the Ridgway, CO roundhouse was, but I have my doubts about Zwingle's pick. The building immediately to the south is the former DRGW/RGS depot. It has been moved slightly, mainly rotated 90°. Many old pictures show the depot at least a couple hundred yards away from the RH. An overview photo shows the RH located in the SE part of town:
http://swcenter.fortlewis.edu/images/P026/P026006Page.htm
You will see the depot as the isolated building on the right edge of the photo, somewhat up from the line from the RH. Some chat rooms have said that the area around the RH is developing, and not much remains. My guess based on the photo is that it was somewhere near the intersection of Hyde St. and the alley E of Lena St.
MidlandMike, you nailed it! Thank you!
Whenever I get a list ready to post, I'll usually go back through and temporarily delete from posting any questionable ones until I can get better information. I meant to delete Ridgway because the "footprint" only showed up in one image with snow, and it looked odd, both in positioning and size.
But it turned out well, as peer review is a good quality control.
Try these coordinates: 38° 9'0.31"N 107°45'19.12"W. Then use the GE 2003 aerial. See if you can see what I'm seeing. Think we have a match?
Zwingle MidlandMike, you nailed it! Thank you! Whenever I get a list ready to post, I'll usually go back through and temporarily delete from posting any questionable ones until I can get better information. I meant to delete Ridgway because the "footprint" only showed up in one image with snow, and it looked odd, both in positioning and size. But it turned out well, as peer review is a good quality control. Try these coordinates: 38° 9'0.31"N 107°45'19.12"W. Then use the GE 2003 aerial. See if you can see what I'm seeing. Think we have a match?
While I don't see much at the coordinates (TT pit?), I now see some faint radial pattern to the NW, just below Hyde St., which would be in the right relation for the RH. When I put the Google Earth image into the same orientation as the old photo, your location seems eerily close.
Yep! You see what I see. That photo you provided made all the difference.
Here are a few more sites.
Using ancient survey maps of Scott County, in Iowa, and Rock Island County across the river, I've been able to discover and confirm more sites.Davenport, IA - 41°31'29.07"N 90°34'0.29"W - Precise location of CRI&P roundhouse built around 1860. Fell by the wayside in 1872, when the railroad shifted its main line over to the new government bridge, downstream. Demolished after WWI, the site was never re-developed; only used to store gravel. The foundation exists today, along with the adjacent original raised grade approach to the first bridge across the Mississippi. Eldridge, IA - 41°39'37.90"N 90°35'4.11"W - turntable visible in 1937 and 1956 (albeit barely.) Rock Island, IL - 41°30'28.89"N 90°35'35.36"W - Roundhouse/turntable visible in 1937. My antique survey maps show two more roundhouses in Rock Island, but those were razed before the earliest aerial photos so far of their locations, and no surface trace exists of them today. Until photos or older aerial imagery becomes available, a 'revealed on map' notation will suffice. Rock Island, IL - 41°30'39.30"N 90°34'50.09"W - roundhouse/turntable razed by 1937. No trace left for archeological discovery. Rock Island, IL - 41°30'42.62"N 90°34'49.73"W - roundhouse/turntable razed by 1937. Possible archeological evidence. Hampton, IL - 41°32'8.04"N 90°25'26.51"W - Milw. turntable location - Probable archeological evidence I scoured the Sanborn maps for South Carolina. Only five cities, besides the one on the list, showed anything within their borders. That's not to say there couldn't have been structures elsewhere. Will have to wait for older aerial imagery to confirm more. Anderson, SC - 34°30'13.79"N 82°39'24.45"W - turntable on Sanborn map. Probable archeological evidence Bennettsville, SC - 34°36'35.43"N 79°41'1.10"W - turntable on Sanborn map. Probable archeological evidence Charleston, SC - 32°47'36.03"N 79°56'22.92"W - roundhouse/turntable location - turntable and footprint are visible in 1958. Clinton, SC - 34°28'20.21"N 81°53'3.38"W - turntable on Sanborn map. Probable archeological evidence Columbia, SC - 34° 0'42.78"N 81° 1'34.74"W - location of Southern Roundhouse/turntable (visible before 1990)
MidlandMike is right the original location pointed to was not the site at all. The site in the SW corner of town is accurate, but, the "footprint" is probably false as the area where it used to be has been filled in by trash and waste dirt for years. But, on the other hand funnier things have happened where a buried site shows through. The more interesting thing is that this isn't the original shop and Rh site. That was to the NW of the town wet of where the water treatment facility is now. The only time it shows well is in the winter and spring. As far as I know the only existing photograph of it is in the archives of the Denver Public Library (or copies made from it).
Before I get on with some sites in the US and AU I'd like to make a correction on Zwingle's list. Even though the Tiny Town listing shows a Morrison, CO address, it's actually in the community of Turkey Creek which is where Semper Vaporo has it listed. Also, the coordinates for Corkscrew Gulch are off. I'm working on getting a more accurate read on it now. Interesting though is that this was not only a turntable site, it was a covered turntable. The Colorado RR museum has some great pics of it. It's pretty much gone now though.
For sites in the US, six new ones (I think):
Frankfort, MI - Rh Outline - 44 37.638N 86 14.117W
Pittsburg, MO - Tt & Rh outline - 37 25.414N 94 41.478W
Galveston, TX - Tt & Rh remains - 29 18.125N 94 48.662W
Galveston, TX - Rh Remains - 29 17.982N 94 49.037W
Waycross, GA - Tt - 31 10.865N 82 23.561W
Waycross, GA - Trans Table - 31 11.912N 82 22.048W
Forgot, I have four new ones for Canada too:
Grand Forks, NB - Rh - 49 02.123N 118 28.046W
Farnham, QB - Tt & Rh outline - 45 16.773N 72 58.416W
Megantic, NB - Rh outline - 45 34.559N 70 52.824W
McAdam, NB - Tt - 45 35.500N 67 19.477W
Now for some new AU sites:
Broadmeadow, NSW, AU - Dbl. Tt/Rh - 32 55.621S 151 43.591E [ a NSW I missed ]
Coopers Plains, QLD - Tt - 27 34.248S 153 1.825E
Ipswich, QLD - 27 36.763S 152 45.517E (This was a surprise as it's right up against the mall)
Rockhampton, QLD - Tt & Rh - 23 23.200S 150 31.030E
Harlaxton, QLD - Tt - 27 32.235S 151 56.833E
Warwick, QLD - Rh & Tt - 28 12.962S 152 2.508E
Gympie, QLD - 26 11.109S 152 40.320E
Caboolture, QLD - Tt - 27 5.024S 152 57.265E
Imbl, Qld - Tt - 26 27.662S 152 40.554E [ est. as it's hard to see clearly ]
Kalgoorlie,WA - Tt - 30 45.000S 121 27.706E
Kalamunda, WA - Tt - 31 57.386S 115 59.369E
Port Pirie South, SA - Tt - 33 11.359S 138 0.972E
Peterborough, SA - Rh & Tt - 32 58.504S 138 49.566E
Tailem Bend, SA - Rh & Tt - 35 14.751S 139 27.014E
Adelaide, SA - Tt - 34 55.786S 138 34.820E
Dry Creek/Caran, SA - Tt - 34 49.435S 138 35.477E [ hard to nail down just what town ]
Port Augusta, SA - Tt & Rh outline - 32 29.210S 137 45.964E
Port Augusta, SA - Tt - 32 29.892S 137 46.180E
That's it for now but I'm working on finishing up the Victoria, AU list and should have it in a few days if I can. By the way, where's Semper Vaporo been lately. HAs it just been a vacation from the rest of us?
I knew that the original RGS roundhouse burned down, but i didn't know it's location. Finding out it was in the north part of town answers the question of why there is a Roundhouse St in that part of town. Thanks.
I'm still out here... just frustrated with G.E. giving the "Google Earth has made an error and must terminate" messages when adding more sites. I can add anywhere from 3 to 5 new sites and it dies and I lose them. Restart and add them in again, and all is okay, so I terminate to get them really "Saved" and then restart it and add some more. All this Start G.E., add one or two sites, terminate G.E., start G.E., add one or two sites, terminate G.E.... gets OLD real fast!
And now I am WAY behind you guys!
And having to cross check your other references to get the Lat/Lon into G.E. is another layer of complexity over just leisurely wandering around on G.E. following RR tracks looking for the telltales of Turntables and Roundhouses! (This USED TO BE just a idle pasttime!)
Maybe having G.E. open with my Excel spreadsheet and browser and the other references is causing me the problems so I have decided to see if additional memory in my PC will reduce the forced restarts so I can save some time and reduce the risk of losing recently added sites.
Mike and all interested: The actual site of the original RGS shops can be seen quite clearly on the current GE picture of Ridgway. Here are the coordinates: 38 9.597N 107 45.674W The second Rh coordinates are: 38 8.999N 107 450312W
It's even easier to see the connection if you look at the old grade that goes through that meadow, follow it back to where it enters the new development area, then follow the angled branch of the grade to the left to these coordinates. Then when you focus on that spot you can see the indentations from parts of the shops. I went there a few years ago and hoped to get pictures but the land owners weren't allowing anyone on the property.
If you can get a copy of "The RGS Story" by Russ Collman, Vol. I - (Sundance Publishing) there is a perfect picture for positioning the roundhouse. There is an aerial picture (P. 59) showing the roundhouse and yard in its second location. Right about where you thought it would be Mike. On P. 56 there's a diagram showing that the original shop was a five stall arrangement with a turntable. And, from the angle of the lines it confirms the location given above. Then on P. 60 there's a detailed diagram showing all of the Ridgway facilities in relationship to the others.
So, that should answer all those questions except to do one more thing, add those Rh locations to the list which I should have done in the first place.
TRAINMASTER - DPRNRRColorado
It's good to hear from you. I thought you might have gotten lost in the piles of old ties somewhere around the worlds tracks.
As to your computer problems. I was beginning to have the same type of problem but decided to check to see if there was something amiss inside Windows itself first. So I went to the MS Update site and had it run a full check. There were some missing "pieces", so I went ahead and updated them. Things have worked better since. Also, we need to remember that by the "nature of the beast", Google Earth is a bit of a memory hog so it was probably a smart thing to increase your RAM.
I don't know what utilities you use to keep things cleaned and oiled but two I've found that work good for me and have regularly been rated highly are: CCleaner (as a general cleaner and registry cleaner) and Glary Utilities ( as an expanded cleaner). Both are available FREE for personal use and can be downloaded from filehippo.com or cnet.com sites. Also for general help and tech support I'd recommend joining up on "Windows Secrets" as a regular subscriber (their annual donation plan is more than worth it). They have given me enough help that I figure I've saved hundreds of $$$$$$ by not having to call on tech support all the time.
One last thing on the RGS original RH/Tt site. I got a nice surprise when it was pilled up on Bing and not only was it a nice clear pic, but in both aerial and bird's eye view it was very obvious as to what was there. So good you could even count the number of stalls. WOW! This has gotten me thinking about an "armstrong" turntable in a box canyon I know of that if it can be made out we'll add it to the list.
DPRNRRColorado It's good to hear from you. I thought you might have gotten lost in the piles of old ties somewhere around the worlds tracks. As to your computer problems. I was beginning to have the same type of problem but decided to check to see if there was something amiss inside Windows itself first. So I went to the MS Update site and had it run a full check. There were some missing "pieces", so I went ahead and updated them. Things have worked better since. Also, we need to remember that by the "nature of the beast", Google Earth is a bit of a memory hog so it was probably a smart thing to increase your RAM. I don't know what utilities you use to keep things cleaned and oiled but two I've found that work good for me and have regularly been rated highly are: CCleaner (as a general cleaner and registry cleaner) and Glary Utilities ( as an expanded cleaner). Both are available FREE for personal use and can be downloaded from filehippo.com or cnet.com sites. Also for general help and tech support I'd recommend joining up on "Windows Secrets" as a regular subscriber (their annual donation plan is more than worth it). They have given me enough help that I figure I've saved hundreds of $$$$$$ by not having to call on tech support all the time. One last thing on the RGS original RH/Tt site. I got a nice surprise when it was pilled up on Bing and not only was it a nice clear pic, but in both aerial and bird's eye view it was very obvious as to what was there. So good you could even count the number of stalls. WOW! This has gotten me thinking about an "armstrong" turntable in a box canyon I know of that if it can be made out we'll add it to the list. TRAINMASTER - DPRNRRColorado
Yeah, I get lost in piles of stuff often. Too much fun!
I am not sure just how much RAM I can stick in my PC, both cost wise and physically. That is awaiting my next annuity check to see what/IF I can buy something. I have been trying "Ready Boost" with USB memory sticks but I have not seen any improvement in the present problem.
I am running a relatively new PC (HP Pavilion dv7, triple core) and I keep Windows totally up-to-date, which is against the advice in the Windows Secrets newsletter (yes, I subscribe also. I have been a fan of WS since the first book was published).
I also run CCleaner (at least once per day and some times 2 or more times per day). I used to run RegCure, but find CCleaner does a good enough job and RegCure costs, so I decided to put my money into 1:32 scale Live Steam Locomotives instead. I used Glary Utilities for a while, but have not transfered them (or downloaded the latest) to this new Laptop (yet).
I presently have some other things on my plate right now and cannot spend much time working on the database, but I suspect I'll get back to it soon... hopefully before you guys double the size of it!
Semper Vaporo I am not sure just how much RAM I can stick in my PC, both cost wise and physically. That is awaiting my next annuity check to see what/IF I can buy something. I have been trying "Ready Boost" with USB memory sticks but I have not seen any improvement in the present problem.
I use http://www.crucial.com/ for my memory upgrades... their system scanner can recommend the right memory for you're computer if you're not sure.
Can be seen using either historicaerials.com or Google Earth Historic Imagery. Memphis, TN - 35° 6'54.18"N 89°58'44.09"W - roundhouse/turntable <1971 - 35° 5'35.74"N 89°59'3.21"W - rh/tt 1958 - 35° 7'16.52"N 90° 0'53.69"W - rh/track fan <1971 - 35° 7'17.16"N 90° 3'28.71"W - rh/tt <1971 Venice, IL - 38°39'42.40"N 90°10'25.58"W - rh/tt <1988 (The Venice on the current list needs to be changed to Brooklyn, IL) Sauget, IL - 38°35'50.25"N 90°10'55.13"W - rh/tt <1971 Centralia, IL - 38°32'36.96"N 89° 8'8.47"W - rh/tt <1958 (One Centralia on the current list is redundant.) Benton, IL - 37°59'29.83"N 88°55'47.03"W - two-stall/tt 1938 Harrisburg, IL - 37°45'9.12"N 88°31'43.42"W - rh/tt <1993 The March issue of Trains reveals the following B&O facilities: Flora, IL - 38°40'1.73"N 88°29'26.95"W - "square house"/tt <1990 Chillicothe, OH - 39°20'0.02"N 82°58'6.72"W - rh/tt <1994 Holloway, OH - 40° 9'22.84"N 81° 7'2.56"W - rh/tt - <1975 Benwood Junction, WV - 39°59'45.93"N 80°44'1.58"W - rh/tt <1994 Parkersburg, WV - 39°15'41.93"N 81°33'1.84"W - rh/tt <1990 Keyser, WV - 39°26'38.88"N 78°58'59.76"W - rh/tt <1970 DuBois, PA - 41° 7'39.42"N 78°46'3.22"W - rh/tt <2006 Punxsutawney, PA - 40°56'42.54"N 78°56'29.38"W - rh/tt <1994
I hope all of you got a chance to check out to Ridgway, CO Rh & Tt site (the original one) it was a pleasant surprise to see such a clear pic on Bing. Too, the "armstrong" turntable I mentioned before was the one in Ouray, CO, a few miles south of Ridgway. But, I have yet to find a good enough pic to pinpoint the exact site. I know where it is to within 40ft. or so but I'd like to be more accurate. While in CO I want to add the old C&S Rh&Tt to the list. The historicaerials.com website pinpointed it for me at: 39.74922N 105.01388W (from a 1991 aerial).
Going back to my old stomping grounds in NH, I used them also to mark where the Rh/Tt sites were in the following:
Plymouth, NH - Rh & Tt - 43 45.125N 71 41.145W (1956 pic)
Concord, NH - Rh & Tt - 43 12.175N 71 31.949W (1951 pic) Note - the other Tt listed for Concord is in the former B&M freight yard and was/is a standalone.
Manchester, NH - Rh & Tt - 42 58.936N 71 27.930W (1947 pic) Note - This was a 1/2 circle Rh and was demolished c. 1955 when both it and the Manchester Passenger station complex was demolished for an urban renewal project.
Zwingle -- a note on the "roundhouse" in Flora, IL It wasn't round according to the picture from historicaerials.com but it was rectangular. That was definetely out of the ordinary for B&O.
Semper Vaporo - how is the project on the laptop going? Don't forget the memory! What? Did I just say that?
Memory on order, maybe get here by the end of the week. I also upped the amount of virtual memory to see if that might help, but I have been too busy with general life to get deep into this backlog of work to try it. I figure I have a couple dozen hours of work to add what has been offered since my last update.
I may not be posting as extensively as I have in the past, repeating the offered sites that are added without question. I will still post about those that I question.
If anyone is building their own lists from the info in this thread and are for some reason unable to access the files I have available on-line, then they should contact me, (use the Private Message system on this site), maybe I can send them the info in some other format that they can use.
Glad to hear at least the computer thing is moving forward, and I understand the other aspect of your life, at least to a degree. It surely seems, "that the hurrier we go, the behinder we get".
I think you might like to check out these coordinates as they relate back to a comment you made about two turntables that overlapped. They are: 53 33.684N 9 56.031E
Yes, I know, the "E" gives a good hint as to where this might be.
Enjoy,
That is not the one I was remembering, as the one I remember seeing appeared to still be in use at the time the aerial photo was taken, but thanks, that at least it proves that there were such situations and it wasn't just a bad dream on my part!
For your coordinates, Google Earth, in an image from 1946 (wow!) it shows the actual "oval" roundhouse but the origin of the photo is not the same as the more recent images so the roundhouse is off to the west by about a half mile.
I looked at Bing Maps images as an alternative to Google Earth in areas where GE was fuzzy. I am now re-submitting an earlier entry that may have been passed over for fuzziness. In the Alpine Tunnel area of Colorado there were 2 turntables. One is already on the list under Pitkin. This was actually a replacement TT. The original TT&RH was by the depot.
http://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=Z9LH4#JnE9LjM4JTI1dTAwYjAzOCcyNSUyNTQwMjAxJTI1MjJOJTJiMTA2JTI1dTAwYjAyNCcyNyUyNTQwMjQxJTI1MjJXJTdlc3N0LjAlN2VwZy4xJmJiPTU0LjEy
The TT pit outline shows up fairly clearly. You might also note the outline of the rectangular enginehouse that enclosed the TT and extended N-S along the old right-of-way. It was a set-up similar to Boreas Pass. The following coords are based on GE
CO, Alpine Pass (Pitkin) 38°38'25.01"N 106°24'27.41"W C&S TT&RH ruin
I would also lobby to call the location Alpine Tunnel for both TTs because Pitkin is miles away. Alpine Tunnel was a timetable station (I think at one time also had a US PO), and Bing can find alpine tunnel, co
Thanks.
PS Edit: Historical info on the TT/Enginehouse can be found at:
http://www.narrowgauge.org/alpine-tunnel/html/auto_tour.html
Finally figured out how to link directly via historicaerials.com.
Tampa, FL - rh/tt 1969 - 27°57'0.30"N 82°25'32.34"W Hialeah, FL - FEC rh/tt 1940 - 25°48'39.46"N 80°18'27.69"W Bowden, FL (Jacksonville) FEC rh/tt <1980 - 30°14'23.82"N 81°36'3.98"W Wildwood, FL - SAL 5-stall/85'tt - 28°51'22.27"N 82° 2'48.39"W - footprint most easily seen via 1999 imagery. Miami, FL FEC rh/tt - 1986 footprint - 25°48'33.43"N 80°11'39.32"W Baldwin, FL - SAL 4-stall/85'tt <1982 - 30°17'37.37"N 81°58'46.88"W Hermitage, VA (Richmond) - SAL 16-stall/100'tt - 37°34'14.38"N 77°27'59.54"W Ft. Lauderdale, FL - GCRR rh/tt - earlier imagery needed. The following SAL facilities are listed here, but their precise locations are not yet visually verified. Fernandina, FL - 60'tt - earlier imagery needed - 30°39'59.79"N 81°27'53.87"W Americus, GA - 7-stall/85'tt - earlier imagery needed - 32° 4'21.85"N 84°14'32.22"W Hamlet, NC - 20-stall/100'tt - earlier imagery needed - 34°53'45.84"N 79°41'11.61"W Portsmouth, VA - 23-stall/68'tt (later 8-stall) - earlier imagery needed - 36°49'51.53"N 76°19'24.61"W Bainbridge, GA - 9-stall/65'tt - earlier imagery needed - 30°54'58.46"N 84°35'13.29"W Abbeville, SC - 8-stall/85'tt - earlier imagery needed - 34°10'26.54"N 82°23'35.92"W Norlina, NC - 85'tt - earlier imagery needed - 36°26'43.20"N 78°11'38.23"W Wilmington, NC - 85' tt - earlier imagery needed Andrews, NC - 4-stall/85'tt - earlier imagery needed Monroe, NC - 5-stall/100'tt - earlier imagery needed - 34°59'2.87"N 80°32'46.07"W Howells, GA - 19-stall/101'tt - earlier imagery needed
When I started having the problem of Google Earth quiting at random times, I checked for updates to it and there were none at that time.
Guessing that the problem might be because of too little memory, I tried enlarging the Swap File to the maximum (16GB) but that did not help. So I ordered more real RAM memory for the PC (8GB). It arrived on Saturday and I installed it and started to see where I had left off in the lists you people have been posting. Before I even got to the point where I was sure I had found the next one to add, GE said it had an error and had to quit.
RATZ!
I checked again to see if there were any updates to GE and found now there was one. So I installed it and found it has some weird bugs of its own. At first I could not do two searches in a row. It just made the computer REALLY SLOW on the 2nd search. Panning or Zooming became painfully slow and jerky. I had to terminate and restart to get some semblance of useability.
Then that problem seemed to magically go away! So, I added about 30 to 35 more sites this afternoon... but I am still a bit skittish about the program quitting unexpectedly, so I would terminate and restart after every 5 or 6 new sites added. I am sure I will get more and more bold (pronounce that "Lazy") and add more and more sites between restarts in the future.... hope I don't get bit by that.
Oh well... I have been doing my own wandering around in the last couple of weeks and have added a few sites on my own, but I am so far behind you folks that I just cannot take the time to comment on all those that I don't question.
Those that I do need some additional info about before "I" accept them I will comment on.
Zwingle: (1-15-12 2:32PM)
Mosinee, WI - Roundhouse leased by paper mill. Looks like two rectangular buildings got married with one at a slight angle to match the angle of a siding and not truely built as a roundhouse.
Steelville, MO... 1/4 scale... I don't know what I am looking for. The link is to a topographical map which has no reference to a RH or TT or a 1/4 scale RR. The linked photo is outstanding but gives no geographical coords.
Added to the U.S. list since my last posting (most are from Zwingle's post of 1-15-12 2:32PM):
Non-U.S.
Links to updated files:
Spreadsheet:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Roundhouse%20and%20Turntables.xls
Non-U.S. PDF file:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non%20US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
U.S. PDF file:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
Ugh, sorry about the link error. Now that I'm including coordinates too I'm hoping it will act as a safeguard against future errors, and make things easier for everyone.
Steelville, MO - 37°57'57.61"N 91°28'36.19"W
As for Mosinee, WI, I made an error. Mosinee Paper used to lease a locomotive that they kept in what is called "the roundhouse," which they do own. It appears to be an ancient structure made of brick, but that doesn't say much, because the paper mill itself is 101 years old. The image I first saw wasn't as defined, and it looked more round than what it really is. I see what you're saying.
I'm now thinking if the paper mill is that old, it would seem unlikely that a railroad would build a roundhouse right in the middle of their operation. It would also seem unlikely that the paper mill would decide to locate themselves right on top of a railroad roundhouse already there. I probably should have waited to submit that one until better historic imagery became available, but I think it would show the same thing as we see today. It's probably just an angular building built by the paper mill to store locomotives for use in their paper operation. We were bound to run into an oddball situation like this. It sorta feels like finding a false morel.
In that same post I included a bunch of foreign turntables and roundhouses. I found those in my search for that double-turntable you were talking about. I remember seeing that, too, but it's been quite awhile. I tried to find it, but to no avail. I haven't yet given up, but for the most part I'm going to stick with the US and Canada. That alone will be a list impossible to complete, because there will always be at least one more forgotten roundhouse or turntable site out there waiting to be remembered.
Some I can't post until better images become available. There was a five-stall roundhouse at Fishkill Landing in Beacon, NY at roughly 41°30'17.62"N 73°59'6.30"W. Those coordinates are an approximation, based on an old photo from this page. It looks like the shoreline may have been altered somewhat, which makes it harder to locate precisely. Thus, I'm still waiting for decent historical imagery to pinpoint it better before I post it "officially."
In my last post I included an entry for Howells, GA. I never could find the location, but I'm thinking it might be one of the Atlanta listings. I don't know, but according to this source it had 19 stalls and a 101' turntable. Maybe someone out there knows and can shed some light.
Also, while I'm thinking about it, in Eldorado, IL, there was an unusual building arrangement. I can't tell what the heck it was. I've never seen anything quite like it. Anyone have ideas? It's a puzzler, for sure.
Brattleboro, VT - 42°50'33.99"N 72°32'59.83"W - rh/tt 1951 - remnants today. I know I just said I would mainly focus on the US and Canada, but I'm kind of wanting to find that overlapping double-turntable. I thought it would turn up quickly, because it's so unusual, but the thing is remaining elusive. I can picture it in my mind. I know what it looks like. I'm surprised it hasn't been found yet. The universe will remain out of balance until this is located. In my search , I ran across this picture, showing an unusual arrangement of two large, elongated roundhouses, each with two turntables, one large and one small, possibly narrow gauge. It's from some German City after WWII bombings, and the roundhouses are clearly damaged (craters everywhere, too.) I haven't been able to find it, although early imagery is limited.
Here are a couple older discussions.
Also in my search, I happened upon more as expected.. Yeovil Jct., UK - 50°55'25.92"N 2°36'49.12"W - tt Boot, UK - 54°23'42.67"N 3°16'27.07"W - tt Sutton, UK - 52°34'5.32"N 0°23'20.60"W - steam engine on tt Christchurch, UK - 50°43'59.71"N 1°46'33.18"W - Britain's last trolley turntable Hoveton, UK - 52°42'59.70"N 1°24'30.37"E - tt Palermo, Italy - 38° 6'3.57"N 13°22'41.63"E - rh/tt Catania, Italy - 37°30'58.80"N 15° 6'29.13"E - rh/tt Arad, Romania - 46°11'20.57"N 21°19'39.60"E - rh/tt Arad, Romania - 46°10'59.24"N 21°20'50.80"E - tt Timisoara, Romania - 45°45'6.64"N 21°12'6.08"E - two rh/two tt Ploiesti, Romania - 44°55'14.28"N 26° 0'46.18"E - two rh/two tt Toruń, Poland - 53° 1'48.72"N 18°38'18.00"E - rh/tt Katowice, Poland - 50°15'27.73"N 19° 0'22.00"E - two rh/two tt Gdynia, Poland - 54°31'53.01"N 18°30'25.54"E - two rh/two tt Inowrocław, Poland - 52°48'26.51"N 18°14'38.28"E - two rh/one tt (originally two) Bydgoszcz, Poland - 53° 8'8.18"N 17°59'20.49"E - two rh/two tt Berlin, Germany - 52°29'50.33"N 13°22'32.98"E - 2rh/2tt (Now a museum) Berlin, Germany - 52°29'48.49"N 13°22'18.07"E - rh/tt in 1943 Google imagery. Berlin, Germany - 52°28'1.07"N 13°21'47.79"E - rh/tt best seen in 1953 imagery. Halle, Germany - 51°29'21.35"N 11°59'14.51"E - two rh/two tt - One abandoned ruin, the other refurbished. Bareuth, Germany - 49°56'55.29"N 11°34'50.58"E - abandoned tt/outline Lippstadt, Germany - 51°40'9.42"N 8°20'21.16"E - rh/tt Garmisch, Germany - 47°29'12.48"N 11° 5'59.73"E - rh/tt Cologne, Germany - 50°57'7.08"N 6°56'40.94"E - 2tt/2sets of radial tracks (earlier imagery shows roundhouse)Cologne, Germany - 50°59'2.51"N 6°55'11.57"E - tt Deutz, Germany - 50°56'25.37"N 6°59'11.69"E - tt St. Denis, France - 48°54'41.87"N 2°21'17.16"E - rh/tt site (recently razed) Paris, France - 48°50'30.15"N 2°23'2.06"E - four rh/four tt in a row -1949 imagery. 3 complete, top one partial. Bottom one is very small (narrow gauge?) Nevers, France - 46°59'50.71"N 3° 8'15.93"E - rh/tt - Judging from the track arrangement, there may have been two more adjacent roundhouses long ago. Chambery, France - 45°34'36.28"N 5°55'1.70"E - two rh/two tt - one enclosed. Villeneuve-St George, France - 48°45'26.07"N 2°26'13.53"E - rh/tt
Algiers, Algeria - 36°45'12.00"N 3° 4'11.15"E - rh/tt Riga, Latvia - 56°54'35.43"N 24°12'15.10"E - rh/tt Minsk, Belarus - 53°52'34.62"N 27°31'29.73"E - rh/tt Nove Zamky, Slovakia - 47°59'45.37"N 18°10'32.95"E - two rh/two tt Stockholm, Sweden - 59°21'23.50"N 17°58'54.22"E - rh/tt Santiago, Chile - 33°28'31.84"S 70°40'33.59"W - two rh/two tt - with the track arrangement as it is, the whole complex looks like a big grin..
Chilicothe OH - 39°20'0.11"N 82°58'6.67"W - rh/tt - pit/print remain today Naples, NY - 42°37'7.30"N 77°24'23.49"W - LV turntable site. Pit depression and turntable lead can be seen via 1994 GE imagery, however, due to the mostly collapsed walls and lack of decent definition, it is best seen from the ground until defoliated aerial photographs become available. Alleghany, VA - 37°44'50.74"N 80°14'34.60"W - site of 100' turntable for helpers. Tunnel and turntable were controlled from the tower to the west Seattle, WA - 47°34'29.24"N 122°19'56.45"W - rh/tt <1940 Seattle, WA - 47°33'23.83"N 122°19'41.55"W - rh/tt <1936 Seattle, WA - 47°34'57.73"N 122°20'8.15"W - rh/tt <1940; tt <1969 Tacoma, WA - 47°15'32.78"N 122°24'37.10"W - rh/tt <1980 Tacoma, WA - This site is already on the list, but I'm including it to show anyone curious what the roundhouse looked like. Bo'ness, UK - 56° 1'6.15"N 3°36'4.96"W - very unusual turntable. Appears to have been used to turn individual (ore?) cars onto a perpendicular track.Scots' Gap, UK - 55°10'21.92"N 1°56'33.41"W - turntable remnant. Clones, Ireland - 54°10'56.79"N 7°14'15.47"W - re-purposed roundhouse - Can be seen with GE, but not with GM nor Bing.Arnes-Lledó, Spain - 40°56'42.83"N 0°16'42.62"E - abandoned 3-stall rh/pit next to bike trail. Swindon, UK - 51°33'38.82"N 1°47'54.87"W - turntable preserved in restaurant parking lot. Otahuhu, New Zealand - 36°56'35.60"S 174°49'55.53"E - turntable Wellington, New Zealand - 41°16'18.94"S 174°47'1.42"E - turntable (coordinates are slightly off with Google Maps.) Auckland, New Zealand - 36°50'54.58"S 174°47'2.09"E - turntable ring; turntable visible before 2009. Gądów Poland - 51° 6'23.05"N 17° 0'42.59"E - tt (coordinates slightly off with Google Maps.) Gądów Poland - 51° 6'36.14"N 17° 0'30.50"E - tt/footprint Krakow, Poland - 50° 1'39.58"N 19°59'11.87"E - double-roundhouse/tt in an arrangement similar to the original arrangement in East Deerfield, MA.
Kettle Valley Railway.
Remnants at Brookmere B.C.
49*49'05.48"N
120*52'08.02"W
ELEV. 991 Metre's
The water tower is also visible just West.
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
HA! Bet you thought you were rid of this thread, din't ya?!
Well back to the regularly scheduled random updates of the Roundhouse and Turntable list.
Continuing from the Non-U.S. portion of Zwingle's post of 01-15-2012 2:12 PM... (That was two pages ago! Yick!)
While fumbling around with the two in Salzburg, Austria, I found one is Freilassing!
The San Martin, Buenos Aires, Argentina coords center on an odd oval structure that I don't think is a turntable pit. However just a few hundred feet to the NW is a large full circle Roundhouse and Turntable.
The Vancouver, BC site is a real oddball! The site may have been a former turntable, but the track in the former "pit" is not truely "Railroad" track, it is track used by the movie industry to let a camera move smoothly in a shot. The "trolley" is also movie industry equipment to hold a camera on that track. I am going to list it in my files because of the evidence presented by the web site you refereneced, but I am seriously wondering if it is a confused urban story because of the Roundhouse Community center to the NW (which I previously added to the list). And that rather strange tilt to the road or the grassy island of the round-about that the track is on is confusing (the track does not really appear to be centered in the circle, either!). Your list as Sutton, England, I find the coordinates take me to Stibbington, Cambridgeshire, UK where there is a turntable. Sutton is south of London.
I cannot see any turntable in Ginda, Eritrea. (And I have to admit, I had never heard of Eritrea.) Kumasi, Ghana becomes the first one added to the list that is on the African Continent and I have done a lot of searching there and found nothing! I see some more possibles farther down the list.
Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania... FOR SHIPS??? Why is there a roundhouse there and all the RR tracks? And those certainly appear to be RR cars on the tracks. I am confused (so what else is new?)
Fixed Greenfield/East Deerfield NJ (for the 2nd time I think!) I still can't find anything at Turners Falls.
Oh well... here is the days work:
U.S. additions:
Non-U.S. additions:
I will get the on-line files updated yet tonight.
DPRNRRColorado: Added everything from your post of: 01-15-2012 8:00 PM From your post of: 01-17-2012 12:56 PM Your coords for Dalesford, NSW are too far north; probably a typo (but hard to tell without converting my designation from Deg, Min, Sec to Deg, min.fract and I am too lazy to do it) ... Your coords look like horse exercise ovals... but to the south of that I found a TT. Typo on the coords for Loftus. At: 34° 2'43.71"S 151° 3'6.92"E (151° instead of 141°) I find what looks like might be a transfer table associated with some boat shaped rail cars. Typo on Oroville coords... should be 121° instead of 141°. --
Zwingle: 01-17-2012 9:32 PM
Thanks for settling the Jacksonville Trans Table location and for the deletion of the pie shaped building.
Providence, RI. I think I found the 1st and 3rd of your references but that 2nd one (41°49'31.60"N 71°25'44.66"W) escapes me. Then I went back One-More-Time and lo and behold there is a very vague fan outline.
Dover, NJ 40°53'0.55"N 74°32'56.29"W ... Sorry, I just can't find it.
Ogdensburg, NJ 41°4'0.30"N 74°34'14.91"W ... Sorry, I can't find it.
Here is what I have added so far.
BTW: In another forum thread about a request for Classic Trains magazine doing an article about Roundhouses and Turntables...
http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/t/204617.aspx
Juniatha posted a photo of a Roundhouse with DUAL turntables that intermesh like I described previously. I searched Google Earth and found it! (YEA! \o/ ). It shows in the 10/2000 images as just a footprint of the turntables and rounhouse. The area also has images from 12/1943; That image is not registered against the coordinates the same as the other images. It is shifted to the west about 1/2 mile. The image is poor resolution and it is difficult to tell if the twin turntables are there or not in that year. I listed both turntables as in Hamburg-Altona, Germany.
U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables:
Non-U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables:
I hope to start on the posting by Zwingle on 01-22-2012 4:26 AM after I get the on-line files uploaded for the above.
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