UP Wrecks SD70ACe Demo GM 72

[mudchicken]

It would appear that we have successfully created our first field test derailment! Now, do those EMD/SuperSteel doors and body components hold up as well as we thought?

Is the unit Hulcherproof? .... Invite those joe-bob characters to the party and more track and equipment is sure to be destroyed?

PANEL PARTY on the Gunnison River!

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[edblysard]

Doubt very seriously that the unit went into reverse, even with a computer failure.
Had that thing somehow reversed, the crew would have had no need to big hole the train, it would have done so all by itself, and quite nicely.
Looks more like the outside rail rolled out from under the cars.
Of course the emergency brake was on, the train line was broken, and with no one in the cab to reset it, and the unit shut down, it would stay way until some one figured out a way to pump the brakes back up and release it.

Lets see how "Wreck crew" proof EMD can build them.
My bet is Hulcher does more damage picking it up than what occured when it fell over.

Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by Brak710101

There is word spreading around other sites that the part of a computer failed in the SD70ACe and reversed it. When the crew noticed this they put the emergincy brake on, derailing the train. the is yet to be proff of this, but when the wrecking crew came, the loco wanted to only reverse, and the emergency break was on (not sure where is is from, but it was a UP worker, so i kinda trust it).

[Train Guy 3]

A GE locomotive must have brainwashed that EMD.

[Anonymous]

i agree with ed... this werck was a track thing not the 70ace goin into reverse. Theres no way emd would let something like that go without a failsafe. UP's maint. is what caused this, too many coal trains not enough up keep. It happens alot where im at. Seems like these guys are always putting one on the ground.

[Anonymous]

A GE locomotive must have brainwashed that EMD.
OOOK.......ID SURE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ONE PLAYOUT. OH BOY.
[bow]BNSF[bow]

[Anonymous]

i don't understand how half the train and the head end are in the ravine, and the secondary unit is still calmley sitting on the tracks, with half its wheels on. So confusing

[Bergie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

In photo #2,I see the graffiti vandals from The Borg have desicrated the SP Dash 9.[:(!]

No more desecrated than SP never washing it. [:D] Sorry, couldn't resist. I know all that grime is the charm of SP. Whoops, I did it again. I'm sorry. [:o)]

Bergie

[wabash1]

Ed

That is not the case a engine can have a problem and go into reverse . we had a Ge unit do some weird things it had 4 motors in power ( while in power) and 2 motors in dynamic. burned up the traction motors. another engine did just what happened here 3 pulling and the other was reversed. new enginees wire from factory wrong and the mu plug. i have had a new sd70s lose its programming and not even know it was a computor for a engine it showed its series number and nothing on the engine worked including fuel pump. as far as causing the derailment i would think it is track also.

In a derailment you cant say this or that should have happended on a derailment i was working cars was everywhere some standing where rail should have been (22-23 cars) all others out in a field some engines stayed on the raill some didnt.

[philnrunt]

Folks, i went straight to the" UP Operating Jargon Handbook and Yummy Recipe [for those on the move ]Guide" and discovered that when UP gets a demo unit, it's not demo as in DEMOnstrator unit,it is, in fact , a DEMOlition derby unit.
See, it's all in the fine print.

[edblysard]

Wabsah,
You expected anything less from a GE unit?[:D]
Ed

[Anonymous]

SEE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LET UP "BORROW" YOUR POWER!
LIKE THAY ALWAYS SAY,YOU'LL "NEVER" SEE IT EVER AGAIN!
IT'S A WOUNDER THE "UP" HAS ANY TRAINS LEFT, WITH ALL THE ONES THAT THAY KEEP WRECKING.
THE NEW POWER JUST MAKES UP FOR ALL THE ONE THAT HAVE BEEN LOST. HELL.....THAY CAN'T EVEN KEEP THERE "OWN TRAINS ON THE TRACKS"!
BNSFfan.

[Anonymous]

At least the ES44AC's and ES40DC's look 100 times nicer than the SD70ACe.

[Anonymous]

The brochure said that it was amphibious!!

[wabash1]

Ed

I consider it being a blessed day when i can get across the road with only 1 problem out of a GE unit and a act of god when you dont have any problems with a GE .

As far as dodge goes. You dont need to be jelouse. They merged with the best so the mercedes people can learn how to make thier cars better. when you are number 1 people tend to frown on you. i dont see dodges broken down on the side of the roads like i do the fords, built ford tough. this is true you haft to be tough to be draged in on a tow truck. that is why the rear tires where so fast on a ford more miles on rear wheel only. look around a ford dealer and all the tow trucks circling the lot. chevy is better. but not quite a dodge. ever see a ford or chevy ad with a dodge in it they dont want to be embarresed. dodge ads puts them all in there including toyota. and to end it ever see a ford locomotive? Oh wait maybe the GE are fords.....

[Anonymous]

AT LEAST THE "EMD'S" DON'T HAVE BURN MARKS ON THEM LIKE THOSE STUPID DUMB JACK JUNK GE'S!..................EMD RULE!
[bow]BNSF[bow]
P.S. AT LEAST AN EMD SOUNDS "LIKE" AN EMD!

[edblysard]

Wabash,
Not jealous...wonder where you got that from.
Wife drives a 99 Durango, I drive a 95 Jeep.
Grew up on Dodge.
First car was a 71 Challenger.

Am shoping for a 2005 Hemi Magnum.
Test drove one a few days ago...now thats a fun car!

Ed

[fuzzybroken]

Wabash1,

I guess you haven't seen the Dodge that I had!!!

Seriously though, my family has had Dodges, Fords, and GM cars (no Chevys, thank God) for years. It helps to have a great mechanic in the family!

I've driven three Ford F-150s now, and two other Fords prior to those, and I LOVED THEM ALL!!!

BTW, Ford did have several locomotives, they were all EMDs!!!

-Mark
http://www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken

[UPTRAIN]

People always say it like, UP wrecks it, like it is their fault, like they personally went out there just to derail that unit. People really need to find new ways to describe wrecks. They aways say it like it was purposely and it may just be me but that seems to be a personal attack at the company. Leave it to the NTSB and UP to determine what caused the wreck. Not many derailments are on purpose and most are strictly accidents. So UP didn't wreck the SD70ACe, The EMD SD70ACe derails on UP rails. I've said my peace. Thank you all for your time. Either way, I don't think EMD was excited about this. [:D]

[Randy Stahl]

BTW Ford motor company also had GE locomotives, 125 ton center cabs, later sold to Wellsville addison & whatnot
Randy
I'm still looking to sell a GE 60 ton locomotive, shuold stay on the track better than the new EMD
Randy

[tomnoy3]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Wabash,
Not jealous...wonder where you got that from.
Wife drives a 99 Durango, I drive a 95 Jeep.
Grew up on Dodge.
First car was a 71 Challenger.

Am shoping for a 2005 Hemi Magnum.
Test drove one a few days ago...now thats a fun car!

Ed

Do the MAgnums actual sound like they do on the commercial? Me and my dad we wondering about that. Lol.

-Tom

[edblysard]

Better!
The one I drove had the Hemi, with the auto-stick,(automatic transmission that you can shift like a standard) and the multi staged engine.
It runs on 4, 6 or 8 clyinders, depending on the speed and acceleration.
At highway speed, the one I tested liked the 6 cly set up at 60-70 mph, but under 60, went to four clys.
Step on the gas, and hold on, no hesitation going to all 8, and right quick about it.
Chickened out at 120mph.
And the car was pretty well built, nice finish on the inside.
Who ever designed the micro processors and the program they work off did good, you dont notice the cylinder switch at speed, and from a dead standstill, if you put your foot into it, it skips it all and goes right to the 8 clyinders hemi set up.

Handled at lot better that I thought it would, rode like a heavy car.
If I can convince the wife, should have one soon in the driveway...
Ed

[Anonymous]

Very sad Day indeed . [;)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Better!
The one I drove had the Hemi, with the auto-stick,(automatic transmission that you can shift like a standard) and the multi staged engine.
It runs on 4, 6 or 8 clyinders, depending on the speed and acceleration.
At highway speed, the one I tested liked the 6 cly set up at 60-70 mph, but under 60, went to four clys.
Step on the gas, and hold on, no hesitation going to all 8, and right quick about it.
Chickened out at 120mph.
And the car was pretty well built, nice finish on the inside.
Who ever designed the micro processors and the program they work off did good, you dont notice the cylinder switch at speed, and from a dead standstill, if you put your foot into it, it skips it all and goes right to the 8 clyinders hemi set up.

Handled at lot better that I thought it would, rode like a heavy car.
If I can convince the wife, should have one soon in the driveway...
Ed

I've been learning to 'sit' on my hands whenever I read auto related input in this forum (maybe a little too passionate about the hybrids!-and it IS a train forum,right?) but do you remember when Caddy did the 4-6-8 and failed miserably? 'Course- they're both in the same class of automakers...I guess time will tell.

P.S. Buy a hybrid!

[wabash1]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Randy Stahl

You can tell it not a G.E. even from the wierd angles.... It didn't catch on fire!!!!!!
Randy

randy

I have never had a GE engine catch on fire. in my exsperance they wont stay running long enough to catch on fire.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1

QUOTE: Originally posted by Randy Stahl

You can tell it not a G.E. even from the wierd angles.... It didn't catch on fire!!!!!!
Randy

randy

I have never had a GE engine catch on fire. in my exsperance they wont stay running long enough to catch on fire.

Ah Wabash, you never cease to entertain me with your sense of humor! [:D]

Mookie

[Randy Stahl]

Wabash,
Who said it's gotta stay running to catch fire!
Randy

[AlcoRS11Nut]

QUOTE: Originally posted by UPTRAIN

People always say it like, UP wrecks it, like it is their fault, like they personally went out there just to derail that unit. People really need to find new ways to describe wrecks. They aways say it like it was purposely and it may just be me but that seems to be a personal attack at the company. Leave it to the NTSB and UP to determine what caused the wreck. Not many derailments are on purpose and most are strictly accidents. So UP didn't wreck the SD70ACe, The EMD SD70ACe derails on UP rails. I've said my peace. Thank you all for your time. Either way, I don't think EMD was excited about this. [:D]

You've got that RIGHT!!!!!!

[route_rock]

Ok back to trains[:D] Here is my question.Was the train going downgrade?If so what was the leading unit(s)?Here is a Colombo guess.He was going downgrade and had all his high power techni toasters in Dynamicand whammo buff forces right in the rear and helter skelter goes the cars.Remeber kiddies those big units you cant run them all in dynamic [;)]have to treat them as bigger and badder than what they are.Plus I dont buy the it went into reverse theory seeings there had to be another unit in front of the SP one.the wheels would have just spun due to two(maybe more)units pulling and the train pushing.Unless of course that GE unit slipped then all bets are off[}:)][}:)]Just kidding.

[Anonymous]

I think the engineer wanted to go fishing and parked in a bad spot. :)

[Anonymous]

I don't buy the went in reverse theory either. If the unit(s) were rolling and under load and tried to go into reverse, then I think a catastrophic ( and mabee spectacular ) electrical failure would happen. But that's just my opinion, and I DONT know what happened.