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Posted by greyhounds on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 4:26 PM

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Well, if it was predicted to happen, I guess I missed the memo. The ones I got said that the rail industry needed the freedom to raise rates to provide adequate returns. On the other hand, I can truly say that I read it here first!

Regarding rates, there is something of a misconception presented here. The driver of higher rates in the 1970s was primarily inflation. Equipment, materials, capital itself was costing on the order of 14-18%. And the price of diesel fuel doubled, tripled, quadrupled. And this really kicked in, 1975-1979. Railroads couldn't increase rates fast enough. Literally. That was the point of Staggers: enable railroads to increase rates more quickly and flexibly.  It was a savage four years.

Adjusted for inflation, this is shown quite clearly. The average railroad rate today is the equivalent of railroad rates in 1975. Rates prior to that time are lower than today's rates. Indeed, the long decline in adjusted rates since Staggers was only an unwinding of the fast run-up in rates that occurred in a very short time between 1976 and 1982. And it took 30 years to unwind those rates as railroads enjoyed on the one hand impressive improvements in productivity, and, on the other hand, increasing real costs in terms of physical plant and equipment. And, again, the adjusted cost of diesel fuel, electric power, computing power, communications have all been declining during that time, accounting for much of the claimed "productivity" when in fact it was nothing of the kind. Otherwise, productivity and substantial cost declines won the day, but it has only restored rates to what they were in 1975 in adjusted dollars, and that represents a historic high in railroad rates up to that time.You're comparing post-Staggers rates with a very select, narrow, period of history that labored under extraordinary economic circumstances. This is why nearly all presentations on Staggers rates do not show inflation adjusted rates prior to 1980. There's a public relations reason for that. Compared to a long period of relatively stable inflation prior to 1975, today's rates are higher and have been higher since Staggers was enacted. On the other hand, due to productivity increases, profitability has increased compared to those times, although sometimes detailed examinations, such as comparing UP then and now, makes you wonder where the improvement really is.

There is a chart here which partially shows this:

http://www.fra.dot.gov/downloads/policy/freight5a.pdf  


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I guess you really didn't get the memo.  As I clearly stated, the purposes of deregulation and the mergers were to improve the financial health of the rail industry and improve efficiency.  That happened.  Did the memo you received state that deregulation and mergers would cause the financial health of the rail industry to deteriorate?  Did it also say dereg and mergers would make the railroads less efficient?  No, I don't think it said that.  The only reason for deregulation and the mergers would have been to promote efficiency and financial health.  Nobody would have supported dereg and the mergers othewise.  Please go see if you can find the correct memo.

 The rate levels in 1975 and the relatively equal rate levels created by the 20 year decline in rates after deregulation produced a very different result.  In 1975 the industry was an inefficient financial basket case.  In the 21st Century those very same rate levels support a financially heallthy industry that is, according to the FRA, the most efficient and safest in the world.

You've made my case by showing that the rail freight industry is far more efficient after dereg and after all the mergers.  According to your chart, it's charging the same as it was in the early 1970's, but those same rate levels produce a far different result now.  If they're charging the same prices, then the only reason that the railroads can be financially healthy is that they've improved efficiency.

They get more output from less input.  The fact that they can successfully exist at a price level that was previously inadequat proves my point.  Thank you.

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 1:24 PM
Just as a quick note, a few posts back there was talk about the Tech bubble bust being entirely ephemeral and not dealing in actual goods that might be shipped by rail. This is absolutely wrong. The tech bubble bursting was a cycle. As the internet became bigger, service providers and network owners ramped up equipment orders to build out infrastructure to support the boom. Network equipment companies such as Cisco and 3com responded by increasing factory capacity and churning out more product. When the bubble burst, this increased capacity was absolutely useless factories sat idle and P&E numbers looked horrid. Some companies like 3Com were utterly devastated by it. In fact 3Com was the poster child. The company worst hit by the bubble bursting and 3com most assuredly makes hardware. I can't tell you how many TEUs were lost due to this or how many boxcar loads, but the number is really not zero. And of course it ignores the very real economic impact that event had. People were out of work and those that had work weren't making the same income and that means that if nothing else, intermodal loads will be affected.
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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 12:50 PM

The enabling legislation started in 1978 (43 FR 26314   June 19, 1978 &  42 FR 35017 July 7, 1977)....Effective date June 1, 1983.  related to, but separate from Staggers...one of the things that hobbled the industry for decades previous.                                            

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 12:43 PM

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  [snip] As I recall, accounting changes after 1977/1978 permitted accelerated depreciation against physical plant compared to prior years. [snip]  And so several things have happened that would have changed, for the better, reported rates of return even if nothing at all had actually changed from a revenue/expense standpoint.

Coupling that with the surprisingly low rates of return actually reported in the past few years, compared to many of the pre-eminent predecessor railroads reporting better rates of return in the 1960s and 1970s, certainly raises questions about the supposed comparisons and particularly in reference to merger effects. It would be interesting if someone would do a real study on those impacts, taking into account the accounting and debt structure changes which permitted a showing, on paper, of higher rates of return irregardless of actual improvements.  

 

My recollection is that the the principal change then was to the income tax laws only (= IRS, not the ICC's traditional "additions-improvements-betterments" accounting systemso as to allow the railroads to depreciate their historic (= un-adjusted for inflation since then) fixed and hence otherwise irrecoverable investment in the right-of-way such as the land itself, and the grading, tunnels, bridges, etc.  I believe those items could be deducted from income as depreciation on a straight-line basis over 50 years, which is 2 % per year.  That doesn't sound like much, but even 2 % of a huge number was still a very big number, especially when compared with the comparatively small incomes of the railroads back then.  At the time I owned some BN stock, and from these considerations it seemed that the huge historic investments of those predecessor railroads to cross the Great Plains and the Rocky and Cascade Mountains, etc. and the then-current spending on the Powder River Basin line would likely lead to a 'windfall' increase in income and dividends . . . Sigh

I'm inclined to think that such a study has likely been done, though perhaps never published widely, and not available 'on-line', either - it probably pre-dated the Internet age.  My reasoning is that there have been several notable economists/ professors of finance who have been quite interested in those aspects of the industry - George W. Hilton of UCLA and Robert B. Shaw of Clarkson University in Potsdam, NY come to mind, and likely others as well.  There are so many academics and their students, graduate students, and Master's/ Ph.D.candidates, each with papers to write, theses to research and defend, and/ or to otherwise "publish or perish" - and the data on the industry is so public and transparent - that it would seem to be an inevitable subject for such a study.  But likely it is in a filing cabinet or on a bookshelf someplace, not on the Web.  Before I would undertake such an effort myself, first I would perform a "literature search" and inquire of the eminent scholars in the field - such as the above - to be certain that it hasn't already been done in one form or another.  But I suppose it's possible that it hasn't . . . Confused  Whistling 

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Posted by diningcar on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 12:32 PM

Accounting methods were dictated by the ICC and one very significant factor was their rules specified that RAIL and OTHER TRACK MATERIALS were not depreciable. The Generally Accepted Accounting Principles used in other capital intensive industries finally convinced the ICC to change to depreciation accounting for these items in the 1970's (don't know the exact date) and therefore statistical comparisons before and after that significant change need to be looked upon with question.

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Posted by ICLand on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 11:54 AM

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 In that doc is this line: "Between 1990 and 2002, the Class I freight railroads have averaged 7 percent return on their net investment, up from the 2 percent average in the 1970s."

By 2008, it had gradually grown to about 10%, dropping back to about 9% in 2009.

That fits what I seemed to remember....

 

Union Pacific, in 1977,had a 16.6% return on net equity investment. This was before it embarked on its series of mergers beginning with the MoPac. Several mergers later, it has never again reached that rate of return even though 1977 was a "bad" year.  I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I recall Norfolk & Western having rates of return of over 12% regularly during that time frame.

As I recall, accounting changes after 1977/1978 permitted accelerated depreciation against physical plant compared to prior years. This had its own synergistic effect of more rapidly reducing net capital investment compared to net income, and accordingly, continually increased the apparent rate of return compared to the 1970s and previously. A significant portion of any apparent improvement in railroad rates of return on net investment is due purely to accounting changes designed, in fact, to show higher rates of return with the passage of time. At the same time, nearly all surviving railroads report significantly higher debt than their predecessors, and that, again, results in higher apparent rates of return against net investment. And so several things have happened that would have changed, for the better, reported rates of return even if nothing at all had actually changed from a revenue/expense standpoint.

Coupling that with the surprisingly low rates of return actually reported in the past few years, compared to many of the pre-eminent predecessor railroads reporting better rates of return in the 1960s and 1970s, certainly raises questions about the supposed comparisons and particularly in reference to merger effects. It would be interesting if someone would do a real study on those impacts, taking into account the accounting and debt structure changes which permitted a showing, on paper, of higher rates of return irregardless of actual improvements.

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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 10:44 AM
ICLand

There is a chart here which partially shows this:

http://www.fra.dot.gov/downloads/policy/freight5a.pdf  


 

In that doc is this line: "Between 1990 and 2002, the Class I freight railroads have averaged 7 percent return on their net investment, up from the 2 percent average in the 1970s."

By 2008, it had gradually grown to about 10%, dropping back to about 9% in 2009.

That fits what I seemed to remember....

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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 10:30 AM
Another negative from mergers is the diversion of IT resources. There can be a few years of useful projects in the IT pipeline as any point in time, all of which have some really decent returns. A merger put all them on hold while and "all hands on deck" approach is taken toward integrating the roads data systems.

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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 10:25 AM
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In fairness, I would not want to be professionally responsible for effectuating a railroad merger - it's just too complex, as Don also alluded to above.  Keep in mind that back in the hey-day of railroading, even the PRR spent more on paper than it did on rail, per an article in Trains some years ago - that provides some clue as to the magnitude of the accounting and clerical functions that have to be integrated.  Splitting up CR was like one of those surgeries to separate conjoined Siamese twins, and all of the many critical subsystems that make up the functioning, living breathing human body - or railroad.  Actually, a merger is analogous to joining 2 people together, and all of their systems - far more complex than even a major organ transplant - it's no wonder so few mergers turn out well !
One of the biggest problems in the early days of CR/NS merger was getting good communication between the NS and CR car reporting systems - even though there was some pretty thorough testing done before. The downstream systems interpretation of the mixed stream of events caused all kinds of routing and blocking issues for traffic moving between NS and CR. This is one of those "how hard can this possibly be?" things that you don't find out about until you do it!

Doing an operating plan is actually fairly simple compared to getting all your data ducks in a row to support that plan. The integration and reliance on data from multiple systems is ever increasing and makes integration of data from disparate RR systems really important - and really hard to do after a merger.

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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 10:15 AM
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With respect, I think Don's point about the tech bubble burst of the 2000 time frame is a non sequitur = irrelevant.  That was about WorldCom, Enron, Tyco, Adelphia, etc., etc.  I doubt if any of them ever shipped 1 boxcar of anything -
None of them shipped anything, but the destroyed sense of personal wealth cause a real recession. People purchased less stuff. 2001 into 2002 were bad years for RR traffic.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:38 AM

In thinking about this a little more overnight and while away from the computer, I may have 'beat up on' NS and its financial results post-merger with 58%-of-ConRail a little unfairly.  As someone else cogently pointed out above, NS didn't really have a choice at that time but to attempt the merger - if it didn't get into that game right then, it was going to be left marginalized = "on the outside, looking in".  It likely appeared to NS management at the time to be a classic involuntary "bet the ranch" scenario.  Although, it might be fun to speculate what could have happened if NS had sat back and just let CSX plunge ahead and merge with all of CR - would that have then melted down and imploded, and later provided an opportunity to move in and buy some lines ?  But that course of inaction would have left the results to fate, chance, CSX, and the government, so being pro-active about it and jumping in anyway was the prudent course of action.

That said, it was still a poor performance.  Recall that almost as soon as the N&W-SR merger into Norfolk Southern was completed circa 1982, NS started attempting to buy all of CR from the US government.  I believe there were 2 serious attempts at that - 1 in the 1984-85 time frame, and one in the early 1990's.  So it's not as if merging with CR was a suddenly new idea to the NS management - they were plotting at it for around 15 years beforehand.  You'd think with all that time, they'd have been able to plan the integration better . . . Confused

With respect, I think Don's point about the tech bubble burst of the 2000 time frame is a non sequitur = irrelevant.  That was about WorldCom, Enron, Tyco, Adelphia, etc., etc.  I doubt if any of them ever shipped 1 boxcar of anything - well, Enron had some pipeline operations, but you know what I mean.  They dealt mainly in paper and electrons, in one form or another, and were in a fictional universe of their and Wall Street's making.  Aside from some personal tragic financial losses, I don't think that affected industrial output much.  NS even ran a series of pointed ads at the time to the effect of touting how railroads hauled the real goods and things of the economy, which no Internet 'super-highway' could do, and so on.  Thumbs Up  Smile,Wink, & Grin 

Overall, mergers have a checkered history.  The only 2 large ones of near-equals that seemed to work were 1970 BN formation and the 1995 BN-SF merger.  There are many larger-smaller ones that seemed to work OK, too - MP and WP being folded into UP, SP into DRG&W, IC into CN, Soo and WC into CP, etc.  The 'problem children' were of course a couple of 'mergers of equals' - PC, UP-SP right after UP-C&NW, and then of course NS-58%ConRail and CSX-42%ConRail. 

The point above about looking at all of the financial statistics of the merged railroad and its predecessors - and competitors, peers, and the rest of the industry - for about 5 years before and after the merger, in order to accurately understand whether and how it worked or not, is a good one.  Thumbs Up

In fairness, I would not want to be professionally responsible for effectuating a railroad merger - it's just too complex, as Don also alluded to above.  Keep in mind that back in the hey-day of railroading, even the PRR spent more on paper than it did on rail, per an article in Trains some years ago - that provides some clue as to the magnitude of the accounting and clerical functions that have to be integrated.  Splitting up CR was like one of those surgeries to separate conjoined Siamese twins, and all of the many critical subsystems that make up the functioning, living breathing human body - or railroad.  Actually, a merger is analogous to joining 2 people together, and all of their systems - far more complex than even a major organ transplant - it's no wonder so few mergers turn out well !

Finally, on this issue I am reminded of a line from one of Tom Clancy's books - Debt of Honor, I believe [EDIT 08/18/2010 10:05 AM: at page 415, if I recall correctly].  In it, the Jack Ryan character is analyzing and discoursing on the likely motives for the war with Japan that the US has suddenly found itself involved in.  He concludes that in almost all modern wars, the nation that started the war wound up being defeated - ergo, starting a war is not a rational act.  It seems to me that many mergers are of like kind - they turn out so poorly as compared to the expectations and promises, that it's not rational or sensible to attempt one.  But mergers are nevertheless still proposed from time to time . . . see Fred Frailey's blog that I referenced above.

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Posted by dakotafred on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 7:00 AM

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Be careful when you ask for term limits, you might get them.  Here in CA it hasn't worked out so well.  One of the reason for CA's budget impasses is that we are constantly recycling the Legislature and Governor.  It takes them a few years to figure out how things work and by then they don't have much time left before being termed out.  This turns real power over to those who REALLY know how things work: the lobbyists.

Lobbyists, yes, but even more to unelected government careerists -- the bureaucrats. In the end, there is no good way for voters to escape their responsibility to make good decisions every two years. 

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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 5:29 AM
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Also, I haven't been able to dig it up, but I believe the industry's return on capital on the whole has gone from the 3-4% range up nearly 10% in 2008. In the same span, rail rates dropped over 50% (infl. adjusted). Most of it is productivity improvements but some at least is due do merger efficiencies, though I wouldn't begin to want to try to untangle which was which.

 

Prior to the merger frenzy of the mid-1990s, the ROI for the purposes of determining revenue adequacy were not in the 3-4% range, but as follows:

1995:

NS  12.1%

UP 11.7%

Illinois Central 17.2%

CSX 6.5%

BN: 6.3%

ATSF: 5.3%

After mergers, synthesis:

2003:

NS: 9.1%

UP: 7.3%

BNSF: 6.2%

CSX: 4.0%

2004:

NS: 11.64%

UP: 4.5%

BNSF: 5.84%

CSX: 4.4%

It is difficult to frame an analysis around the moving goalposts of "it can't be 40 years, it can't be 5, or 7, it has to be whatever years proves the point." That approach will always prove some point, rarely the one at issue. The fact is, most synergies are achieved in a railroad merger by year 3, at the latest year 5. 

After the flurry of very large mergers, 1996-1999, during the next five years, virtually the entire industry suffered declining abilities to be revenue adequate. The Clinton Recession was over by 2003. 2004 represents perhaps the most comparable year, as import/export traffic and coal reached significant new levels in 2005 

The best of the bunch? The unmerged Illinois Central. The two biggest declines? The two largest merger railroads. Moral of the story? To some, none, or even, "worked as advertised."

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With that, the research has given me a headache. Thank you for your time.

The 3-4% number I remember was from the "bad old days" - the 70s and was an industry average.

I would agree that most mergers performed very poorly a couple of years in - mostly due to the inability to integrate operations well. I'm less convinced that they 5+ years out, they weren't doing what they were supposed to do. There are all sorts of confounding factors - for NS the ups and downs of export coal, for example - that can make straight accountant-style year to year comparisons somewhat less statistically significant.

I understand the point you are making, however.

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Posted by Jack_S on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 1:27 AM

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  Term limits, anyone?

 

Be careful when you ask for term limits, you might get them.  Here in CA it hasn't worked out so well.  One of the reason for CA's budget impasses is that we are constantly recycling the Legislature and Governor.  It takes them a few years to figure out how things work and by then they don't have much time left before being termed out.  This turns real power over to those who REALLY know how things work: the lobbyists.

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Posted by ICLand on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 12:06 AM

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The Union Pacific, and other railroads, operate in a competitive freight environment.  They certainly do not generate monopoly profits.  The UP is a major coal mover.  After deregulation, and during the UP merger period (1985 through 2004) railroad rates for moving coal fell by 35%.  And that 35% figure is in nominal dollars unadjusted for inflation.  Allowing for the reality of inflation, and adjusting for it, coal rates fell by at least 50% after the mergers and deregulation.  During this time, rail rates fell across the board.  (Grain went up in nominal dollars, but adjusting for inflation, it experienced a rate decline too.) To keep that margin constant the UP (and other railroads) had to tremendously increase their efficiency, and they did that in spades.  And they did it through mergers and deregulation.

What happened is just what was supposed to happen and what was predicted to happen. 

 

Well, if it was predicted to happen, I guess I missed the memo. The ones I got said that the rail industry needed the freedom to raise rates to provide adequate returns. On the other hand, I can truly say that I read it here first!

Regarding rates, there is something of a misconception presented here. The driver of higher rates in the 1970s was primarily inflation. Equipment, materials, capital itself was costing on the order of 14-18%. And the price of diesel fuel doubled, tripled, quadrupled. And this really kicked in, 1975-1979. Railroads couldn't increase rates fast enough. Literally. That was the point of Staggers: enable railroads to increase rates more quickly and flexibly.  It was a savage four years.

Adjusted for inflation, this is shown quite clearly. The average railroad rate today is the equivalent of railroad rates in 1975. Rates prior to that time are lower than today's rates. Indeed, the long decline in adjusted rates since Staggers was only an unwinding of the fast run-up in rates that occurred in a very short time between 1976 and 1982. And it took 30 years to unwind those rates as railroads enjoyed on the one hand impressive improvements in productivity, and, on the other hand, increasing real costs in terms of physical plant and equipment. And, again, the adjusted cost of diesel fuel, electric power, computing power, communications have all been declining during that time, accounting for much of the claimed "productivity" when in fact it was nothing of the kind. Otherwise, productivity and substantial cost declines won the day, but it has only restored rates to what they were in 1975 in adjusted dollars, and that represents a historic high in railroad rates up to that time.You're comparing post-Staggers rates with a very select, narrow, period of history that labored under extraordinary economic circumstances. This is why nearly all presentations on Staggers rates do not show inflation adjusted rates prior to 1980. There's a public relations reason for that. Compared to a long period of relatively stable inflation prior to 1975, today's rates are higher and have been higher since Staggers was enacted. On the other hand, due to productivity increases, profitability has increased compared to those times, although sometimes detailed examinations, such as comparing UP then and now, makes you wonder where the improvement really is.

There is a chart here which partially shows this:

http://www.fra.dot.gov/downloads/policy/freight5a.pdf  


Talk to old, established shippers. They'll let you know. 

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Posted by ICLand on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:28 PM

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Also, I haven't been able to dig it up, but I believe the industry's return on capital on the whole has gone from the 3-4% range up nearly 10% in 2008. In the same span, rail rates dropped over 50% (infl. adjusted). Most of it is productivity improvements but some at least is due do merger efficiencies, though I wouldn't begin to want to try to untangle which was which.

 

Prior to the merger frenzy of the mid-1990s, the ROI for the purposes of determining revenue adequacy were not in the 3-4% range, but as follows:

1995:

NS  12.1%

UP 11.7%

Illinois Central 17.2%

CSX 6.5%

BN: 6.3%

ATSF: 5.3%

After mergers, synthesis:

2003:

NS: 9.1%

UP: 7.3%

BNSF: 6.2%

CSX: 4.0%

2004:

NS: 11.64%

UP: 4.5%

BNSF: 5.84%

CSX: 4.4%

It is difficult to frame an analysis around the moving goalposts of "it can't be 40 years, it can't be 5, or 7, it has to be whatever years proves the point." That approach will always prove some point, rarely the one at issue. The fact is, most synergies are achieved in a railroad merger by year 3, at the latest year 5. 

After the flurry of very large mergers, 1996-1999, during the next five years, virtually the entire industry suffered declining abilities to be revenue adequate. The Clinton Recession was over by 2003. 2004 represents perhaps the most comparable year, as import/export traffic and coal reached significant new levels in 2005 

The best of the bunch? The unmerged Illinois Central. The two biggest declines? The two largest merger railroads. Moral of the story? To some, none, or even, "worked as advertised."

Some advertisement.

With that, the research has given me a headache. Thank you for your time.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 10:56 PM

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  Wouldn't you need a cystal ball, of the calibur not yet invented, to be able to weigh the potential cost of failure agaist potential stockholder gain?  

     As far as your last sentence,  how, or who, would decide what is to big to fail?

   

 

Well, I really think that the both of you have stomped on a flaming bag deposited on the front porch when you brought up PC.

 

That example probably proves my point better than any other. If saner heads had prevailed and denied the merger, forcing the weaker of the two into a classic capitalistic implosion, then the other would have emerged stronger without all the government influx of resources.

 

Neither PRR nor NYC were "too big to fail" in their own right... but after washington caved in to the money mongers that wanted merger, then the inevitable followed

   Help me out a little here please

1) There's only one of me.

2)  Where did I mention PC?


......Now that YOU mention PC.............

     "If saner heads had prevailed and denied the merger, forcing the weaker of the two into a classic capitalistic implosion, then the other would have emerged stronger without all the government influx of resources"

       .<<<   I'm not sure I agree with that.  Had one of the two been forced into bankruptsy,  it would probably have ended up in receivership, as most bankrupt railroads did back then.  That would have given that railroad a leg up on the other road...which probably would have ended up in bankruptsy.  At that point, both PRR and NYC would have been looking for a merger, or government help.  What's that movie with Bill Murray and the groundhog?  (Not Caddyshack- that was a gopher. Tongue)

    

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Posted by greyhounds on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 10:30 PM

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Union Pacific is a reasonable example. Taking 1965 as a representative year prior to merger efforts, in a relatively lackluster economy as far as railroads were concerned, UP had an operating margin in 1965 of 26.5%. Today? 26.9%. Profit margins? 1965: 14.4%. Today: 14.8%. Given the huge productivity increases since 1965, that's not an improvement. Debt to Equity ratio, 1965: 9%. Today? 55%. That isn't good; risk has increased substantially.  Return on Equity, 1965: 5%. Average Return on Equity, Union Pacific, 1996-2007 (from memory, here), 4.8%; so far in 2010, it is a little over 6%. Considering how debt has replaced equity in UP's capital structure, the return on equity should have improved dramatically. It hasn't.

In general, the Union Pacific has substantially increased its risk, with little if any real improvement in key operating statistics. Using averages, overall, UP has reduced its return on equity as a result of its mergers. And who bears that risk? The shareholders, not management.

OK, correct me if I'm wrong about the formula, but it looks to me that the calculation for what you're calling an operating margin is "1-(operating expenses/gross revenue)".  That would be what is commonly referred to as the operating ratio subtracted from 1.

Because the operating margin (determined by the operating ratio) didn't change significantly you seem to be drawing a conclusion that the UP mergers (and deregulation) didn't produce any significant efficiency.  You need to remember that the ratio involves two numbers; one for expenses and one for revenue.  If they both change the "operating margin" can remain reasonably constant in spite of a huge increase in efficiency/productivity.  That is just what happened.

The Union Pacific, and other railroads, operate in a competitive freight environment.  They certainly do not generate monopoly profits.  The UP is a major coal mover.  After deregulation, and during the UP merger period (1985 through 2004) railroad rates for moving coal fell by 35%.  And that 35% figure is in nominal dollars unadjusted for inflation.  Allowing for the reality of inflation, and adjusting for it, coal rates fell by at least 50% after the mergers and deregulation.  During this time, rail rates fell across the board.  (Grain went up in nominal dollars, but adjusting for inflation, it experienced a rate decline too.) To keep that margin constant the UP (and other railroads) had to tremendously increase their efficiency, and they did that in spades.  And they did it through mergers and deregulation.

What happened is just what was supposed to happen and what was predicted to happen.  The railroads simultaneously became much more efficient and financially healthy.  The margin stayed pretty much the same, but the volume went up as the prices came down.  Profitability = margin x volume.  Any company wants a larger margin, but wanting and getting are two different things.  The market sets the price.  What happened was that competition forced prices down, as it's supposed to do.  This was offset by improved efficiencies (lower cost per unit moved) UP may be operating at the same margin, but its profitability is way up because of the volume increase.

I've written enough, but I could go in to just why that operating margin was bound to stay about the same.  Suffice it to say that the mergers and dereg worked as advertised.  The most important result is that the US economy got a more efficient, lower cost rail freight system.  In fact, I've read that much of our economic good times in the past were due to lower logistics cost.  A second, very important, result of the rail consolidations and dereg was that the US railroad industry changed from a basket case to a financially healthy, growing, part of the economy.

Focusing on any one metric, such as an “operating margin”, or even a series of metrics, without understanding their context is a very good way to misunderstand a situation.  The numbers are what they are; the key is to understand why they are what they are.

 

 

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Posted by Convicted One on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:53 PM

Murphy Siding

  Wouldn't you need a cystal ball, of the calibur not yet invented, to be able to weigh the potential cost of failure agaist potential stockholder gain?  

     As far as your last sentence,  how, or who, would decide what is to big to fail?

   

 

Well, I really think that the both of you have stomped on a flaming bag deposited on the front porch when you brought up PC.

 

That example probably proves my point better than any other. If saner heads had prevailed and denied the merger, forcing the weaker of the two into a classic capitalistic implosion, then the other would have emerged stronger without all the government influx of resources.

 

Neither PRR nor NYC were "too big to fail" in their own right... but after washington caved in to the money mongers that wanted merger, then the inevitable followed

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Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:09 PM
ICLand

OK, let's not do 40 years; let's do the first five years. Or is that yet another exception?

As a note, since NS was brought up and I happened to have done a study back then that I can actually lay my hands on:

 Norfolk Southern's proposed improved net operating income INCREASES as a result of the Conrail Merger/Acquisition, used to justify the acquisition to shareholders (and the government):

Proposed Increases:

1997:$175 million

1998: $184 million

1999: $305 million

2000: $419 million

2001: $385 million

Well, compared to what? That's the good question on these kinds of studies. In the year that Norfolk Southern did the project, 1996, it earned $1.2 billion. The average of the five years prior to the merger was $1.012 billion, net railway operating income.

The projections, then, based on the five year average prior to the merger, which is a little more conservative approach, should have shown these results:

Prospective (Pro Forma) NROI after Conrail Acquisition Proceedings:

1997:  $1.2 billion

1998: $1.2 billion

1999:  $1.3 billion

2000: $1.4 billion

2001: $1.4 billion

Actual Results?

Actual NS NROI after Conrail Acquisition:

1997: $1.2 billion

1998: $1.2 billion

1999: $499 million

 2000: $494 million

2001: $836 million

The average NROI for the five years prior to the Merger/Acquisition: $1.012 billion

The average projected NROI for the five years after the Merger/Acquisition: $1.3 billion

The average actual NROI for the five years after the Merger/Acquisition: $817 million

The total loss of projected earnings vs. actual earnings: $2.4 billion.

And the Norfolk Southern guys, according to the popular literature, were the smart ones!

This, to me, represents something relatively typical for railroad mergers. I haven't seen an exception.  






You need to keep going. Obviously, there were integration issues that NS did not see coming (but should have). And, the tech bubble burst in 2000, depressing the economy. 2000 and 2001 were just terrible years for the RRs, NS and CSX in particular.

Run your numbers thru 2007, or at least thru 2004, and see what you get.

Also, I haven't been able to dig it up, but I believe the industry's return on capital on the whole has gone from the 3-4% range up nearly 10% in 2008. In the same span, rail rates dropped over 50% (infl. adjusted). Most of it is productivity improvements but some at least is due do merger efficiencies, though I wouldn't begin to want to try to untangle which was which.

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Posted by dakotafred on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 6:50 PM

jeffhergert

I've been eagerly waiting for my Sept. issue to read what Don Phillips said.  I get home and my copy is here. 

I read the column, looking for where Mr. Phillips says the railroads have nothing to fear, and don't see it.  I do see one where Rep. Jim Oberstar, D-Minn, thinks the railroads are over-reacting and have nothing to fear and then details in a future column.

Jeff, you are absolutely correct. I was assuming -- jumping to the reasonable conclusion? -- that Don meant the same thing as in earlier columns when he said Oberstar saw no threat ... and he, Don, agreed. (With explanation to follow in future columns.)

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Posted by ICLand on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 4:38 PM

 

Paul_D_North_Jr

ICLand -

I commend you for your intellectual honesty - that's exactly what I had in mind Bow

And for your filing system/ document retrieval ability.  Thumbs Up

But I believe your presentation of the statistics and case have a significant factual error: the ConRail split-up and merger with NS may have been proposed/ approved in 1997 - but the actual operational changes did not take effect until mid-1999, if I recall correctly.  Whistling

Now go back and review your statistics with that in mind - and you'll see that's exactly when the NS NROI fell off the table, from $1.2 billion to under $500 million for the next 2 years, then transitioning into what may have been a gradual rebound - do you have another couple of years of stats available ?

The dangers of pulling out 15 year old studies that I haven't thought of in years. But, partly, my feeling is that significant merger efforts take management's eye "off the ball." The five year period including and after 1999 reduces the five year average income even further, to $799,000 -- even further below the five year average of the period of time prior to the merger proceedings.

Similarly, the BN/SF merger projected synergies of $560 million, the UP/CNW $250 million, and the UP/SP merger $660 million.  Projections by experienced railroad managements; nearly entirely wrong.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 3:27 PM

ICLand -

I commend you for your intellectual honesty - that's exactly what I had in mind Bow

And for your filing system/ document retrieval ability.  Thumbs Up

But I believe your presentation of the statistics and case have a significant factual error: the ConRail split-up and merger with NS may have been proposed/ approved in 1997 - but the actual operational changes did not take effect until mid-1999, if I recall correctly.  Whistling

Now go back and review your statistics with that in mind - and you'll see that's exactly when the NS NROI fell off the table, from $1.2 billion to under $500 million for the next 2 years, then transitioning into what may have been a gradual rebound - do you have another couple of years of stats available ?

So your case appears to be much stronger than you thought . . . Q.E.D Laugh

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Posted by ICLand on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 2:51 PM

OK, let's not do 40 years; let's do the first five years. Or is that yet another exception?

As a note, since NS was brought up and I happened to have done a study back then that I can actually lay my hands on:

 Norfolk Southern's proposed improved net operating income INCREASES as a result of the Conrail Merger/Acquisition, used to justify the acquisition to shareholders (and the government):

Proposed Increases:

1997:$175 million

1998: $184 million

1999: $305 million

2000: $419 million

2001: $385 million

Well, compared to what? That's the good question on these kinds of studies. In the year that Norfolk Southern did the project, 1996, it earned $1.2 billion. The average of the five years prior to the merger was $1.012 billion, net railway operating income.

The projections, then, based on the five year average prior to the merger, which is a little more conservative approach, should have shown these results:

Prospective (Pro Forma) NROI after Conrail Acquisition Proceedings:

1997:  $1.2 billion

1998: $1.2 billion

1999:  $1.3 billion

2000: $1.4 billion

2001: $1.4 billion

Actual Results?

Actual NS NROI after Conrail Acquisition:

1997: $1.2 billion

1998: $1.2 billion

1999: $499 million

 2000: $494 million

2001: $836 million

The average NROI for the five years prior to the Merger/Acquisition: $1.012 billion

The average projected NROI for the five years after the Merger/Acquisition: $1.3 billion

The average actual NROI for the five years after the Merger/Acquisition: $817 million

The total loss of projected earnings vs. actual earnings: $2.4 billion.

And the Norfolk Southern guys, according to the popular literature, were the smart ones!

This, to me, represents something relatively typical for railroad mergers. I haven't seen an exception.  






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Posted by jeffhergert on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 2:36 PM

I've been eagerly waiting for my Sept. issue to read what Don Phillips said.  I get home and my copy is here. 

I read the column, looking for where Mr. Phillips says the railroads have nothing to fear, and don't see it.  I do see one where Rep. Jim Oberstar, D-Minn, thinks the railroads are over-reacting and have nothing to fear and then details in a future column.

I know Mr. Phillips is a big supporter of Government operated passenger rail.  Does that necessarily mean he automatically supports re-regulation of the industry in general, the current proposals specifically?

I've read in other places that some think the railroads don't have as much to fear.  Not because they think the current proposals won't harm them, but because they don't think the legislation can pass in it's current form.  That any re-regulation that does pass will be tolerable to the industry.   I hope they are right.

Jeff

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Posted by ICLand on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 2:33 PM

oltmannd
ICLand

oltmannd
ICLand
I think the comparisons are unfair and you hint that... A fair comparison is impossible to make. That would be "Where would the UP be w/o the merger(s)?" Since you can't rewind history - it's not possible to give a good answer.

 

Well, I would have to kind of laugh if an honest merger prospectus said: "if we do this, this will allow us to stay just about where we are", or even better, "all comparisons to our pre-merger condition will be unfair because comparisons will be impossible to make."

That view gets everyone off the hook nicely, no matter what happens.

Not always and not completely. But to compare UP in 1965 with UP post mergers is really tough. There was a sea-change in regulation and in the industrial base of the country during that period. The merger effect might be noise among these changes...

 

Well, if you read the papers, the post-regulation railroads were supposed to be burning up the rails with their vastly improved financial statistics.  Recall? Regulation was supposed to be a huge burden. The UP story, if enhanced by the post-regulatory environment, certainly was put into the dumpster relatively speaking by something: what else changed besides the regulatory environment, likely affecting UP more than anything else besides deregulation? Instead of taking off in the post-regulatory environment, something affected it adversely, and it stayed nearly the same on key metrics, with substantially higher risk. What happened?

Mergers.

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Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 2:22 PM
ICLand

oltmannd
ICLand
I think the comparisons are unfair and you hint that... A fair comparison is impossible to make. That would be "Where would the UP be w/o the merger(s)?" Since you can't rewind history - it's not possible to give a good answer.


 

Well, I would have to kind of laugh if an honest merger prospectus said: "if we do this, this will allow us to stay just about where we are", or even better, "all comparisons to our pre-merger condition will be unfair because comparisons will be impossible to make."

That view gets everyone off the hook nicely, no matter what happens.

Not always and not completely. But to compare UP in 1965 with UP post mergers is really tough. There was a sea-change in regulation and in the industrial base of the country during that period. The merger effect might be noise among these changes...

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 1:52 PM

ICLand
   [snip]  And railroads, by and large, have followed the results of the business world in general: up to 80% of mergers fail -- absolutely fail -- to meet the primary "announced" goals or metrics justifying the merger effort.

http://www.allbusiness.com/buying-exiting-businesses/mergers-acquisitions/104661-1.html

[snip] . . . but that underscores the comparison of 40 years later, with nearly all railroad mergers which resulted in deteriorated financial metrics, to at least some extent, within five years of the merger. In that context, the economic environment appears to me to have little significance, short term or long term, since the results are consistent.

Hey - you quit that now !   Saying that "The Emperor has no clothes . . . "  Whaddya trying to do - disrupt the American way of life ?!Smile,Wink, & Grin 

Despite that, the 'conventional wisdom' seems to be that more mergers are inevitable.  See Fred W. Frailey's TrainsTalk Staff Blog post of July 24, 2010 on this, entitled "Why railroads will keep merging" at:

 http://cs.trains.com/trccs/blogs/trains-talk/2010/07/23/why-railroads-will-keep-merging.aspx 

ICLand
  [snip] KCS is arguably better on most metrics, notwithstanding its lack of mergers on the scale of other US roads, than it was 40 or 50 years ago. The fact that it isn't 28 times larger than it was 40 years ago seems to have worked in its favor, rather than supporting the alternative view. [snip]

Maybe it isn't "notwithstanding its lack of mergers", but instead because of "its lack of mergers", as you seem to imply . . . Whistling

A more intellectually honest exercise than the above snapshots 40 years apart - and worthy of a college-level term paper, at least - would be to tabulate and graph the financial results of each of the major merged railroads from - say, 5 or 10 years before their respective M-days - right up to the present, and then compare that with the projections and their peers, both merged and non-merged, or at least many years post-merger.  Still, I believe it would support ICLand's general assertions above.  That's why I'm not in favor of any more Class I mergers in the US - such as even when I owned stock in both BNSF and CN and they were captained by 2 very sharp guys, Rob Krebs and Paul Tellier.  The downside risk of the merger not working, the concessions to the influential shippers' groups, and the STB oversight hassles, just wasn't worth it.  If the benefits of a merger are desired, I advocate doing it on a 'creeping' basis instead of 'one big crunch' on M-day.  Those changes can be negotiated and implemented through various service arrangements, one route or market at a time, and the inevitable 'brush fires' put out as they arise, instead of involuntarily having to face and deal with a merger-sparked conflagration and 'melt-down' as we have often seen in the past.  And what we're seeing now is lots of service-sharing, particularly in the NorthEast US with various combinations of CSX, CP, NS, and Pan Am, NS with CN and BNSF in the MidWest US, and CP and CN in Canada, etc.  What cannot be done directly can often be done indirectly . . . Wink 

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Posted by ICLand on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 12:42 PM

oltmannd

You can make similar comparisons of NS before and after Conrail, but the alternative at that point was to let CSX have all of Conrail and risk becoming a "large regional" railroad with much eroded shareholder value. NS paid a super-premium price and it sure didn't go well for a few years, but I'd bet they are in a better spot today than if they hadn't pulled the trigger.

 

I don't think you can make comparisons to NS before and after Conrail on the basis of conventional merger theory. Perhaps you could between Norfolk & Western and Southern which would be more apt comparisons.

NS today is the result of a government-created entity, Conrail -- a bailout pure and simple -- which created enormous risk to the remaining private investors in adjacent railroad properties. A good example of government intervention creating unintended consequences.

Conrail controlled 29.4% of the Eastern rail market, but it was a veritable monoply in the Northeast.  Conrail’s operating ratio of 79.9% was only slightly higher than the industry average of 78.04%, almost the same as the Union Pacific Railroad, 78.9%, and below the largest railroad in the industry in terms of revenue, BNSF, at 81.2%. BNSF's OR is yet another example of a deteriorated OR of a merged railroad company compared to the smaller preceding systems.

Insofar as how NS viewed the Conrail situation, if CSX got the bid, the resulting company would control somewhere between 61% and 68% of the Eastern rail market. If CSX prevailed, not only would NS lose $345 million in direct traffic losses in the first five years after the proposed merger, the CSX-Conrail combination would offer shippers greater flexibility. Ominously, the new company’s monopoly over a substantial portion of the Eastern market would allow it pricing power, which it could then leverage against Norfolk Southern where the two railroads offered competing services. Norfolk Southern would be in a price war it could not win.

The discounted cash value of savings from the proposed transaction were worth approximately $1.6 billion to CSX, but only $1.423 billion to Norfolk Southern. However, the future price competition looked to be ultimately disastrous to Norfolk Southern. NS could justify on the basis of conventional merger valuations a stock offer of $70.19 per Conrail share. Underscoring the fact that this was far, far from a conventional merger scenario was the fact that Norfolk Southern had tendered $115 per share, cash.

The NS was not a conventional merger that looked at independent synergies of alleged merger benefits, it was a self-defense move that had little to do with conventional merger motivations.

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Posted by ICLand on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 12:09 PM

oltmannd
ICLand
I think the comparisons are unfair and you hint that... A fair comparison is impossible to make. That would be "Where would the UP be w/o the merger(s)?" Since you can't rewind history - it's not possible to give a good answer.


 

Well, I would have to kind of laugh if an honest merger prospectus said: "if we do this, this will allow us to stay just about where we are", or even better, "all comparisons to our pre-merger condition will be unfair because comparisons will be impossible to make."

That view gets everyone off the hook nicely, no matter what happens.

 

 

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