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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:40 AM
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:05 PM

You would think somebody would buy a Volt battery, and use it to create and illustrate the type of fire that has become an issue with the Volt.   I have a feeling that there is a large disconnect between what the public visulaizes when they hear about a "battery fire" and what actully can occur during a Volt battery fire.

It strikes me as incredibly odd that public safety officials are telling us that the battery poses no threat because it will not catch fire unless you have an accident.    

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:51 PM

Every time someone rants about how the people are going to rise up and change the government, I just chuckle when I think about how the public cries when coca-cola changes the color of the can.  Or screams in fear when they think that a car that isn't strictly a gas engine is going to explode and kill us all...

 

People are funny.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:09 PM

Oh I don't think the public is afraid of the Volt at all.  They don't see the problem.  It was the safety experts who have discovered the battery fire problem.  But what is really burning down fast is the brand of the Volt.  It must be serious for GM to offer to buy back the Volt from anyone who prefers that option.  It also must be serious for GM to resolve to redesign the battery.

Coincidentally, the Volt is related to Coke and their white can.  Both have the same objective.   

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:40 PM

...We'll have to wait and see...how disastrous the Volt could be to GM....and maybe not, if a quick fix is put in place.

But right now, I'd think the potential is there to go either way.

The cost to develop that system, must be big $$$$'s.

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Posted by Victrola1 on Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:58 PM

Did EMD ever make a lemon locomotive on par with the Chevy Volt and the Chevy Vega?

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:15 PM

Victrola1

Did EMD ever make a lemon locomotive on par with the Chevy Volt and the Chevy Vega?

I don't think EMD made anything as bad as the Volt or the Vega, but their BL-2 was kind of an Edsel. 

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Posted by Juniatha on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:49 PM

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 Victrola1:

 

Did EMD ever make a lemon locomotive on par with the Chevy Volt and the Chevy Vega?

 

 

I don't think EMD made anything as bad as the Volt or the Vega, but their BL-2 was kind of an Edsel. 

 

"Imagine if ..."

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Posted by switch7frg on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:53 PM

Cool Juniatha; nice to hear and see you again.  For such a small word  ( If ) sure has a big meaning.

                                        Merry Christmas to you and a happy New  Year.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:00 PM

It looks like the Volt is subsidized $250,000 per car as opposed to the mere $7,500 that we have been led to believe.

 

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/21/govt-subsidies-for-chevy-volt-up-to-250000-per-car/

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Posted by Modelcar on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:09 PM

Juniatha

 Bucyrus:

 

 Victrola1:

 

Did EMD ever make a lemon locomotive on par with the Chevy Volt and the Chevy Vega?

 

 

I don't think EMD made anything as bad as the Volt or the Vega, but their BL-2 was kind of an Edsel. 

 

 

"Imagine if ..."

= J =

Boy....I hope the new Progress Rail {EMD}, make good quality engines here in Muncie....They are under way with the new production facilities....Good business for our fair city.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:21 PM

Victrola1

Did EMD ever make a lemon locomotive on par with the Chevy Volt and the Chevy Vega?

Perhaps the 20 cylinder engine in the SD45 might deserve a bit of consideration in that regard.

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Posted by creepycrank on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:34 PM

The trouble with the SD45 was that the extra fuel consumption over a SD40 was noticeable while the extra power was not. From EMD's point of view the DM/DE locomotives for the LIRR was something that they wished they never got into although it seems that they got all their bugs worked out. Total production for these oddballs was less that the BL's and the BL's at least all the same mechanical components as the F units.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:47 PM

tree68
   Victrola1:

Did EMD ever make a lemon locomotive on par with the Chevy Volt and the Chevy Vega?

 

Perhaps the 20 cylinder engine in the SD45 might deserve a bit of consideration in that regard. 

  No, that engine was certainly a bit of a fuel hog - and I understand it broke crankshafts a little more often than the 16-cyl. models - but it certainly wasn't a 'lemon' in the sense that no one wanted an SD45 on the property anymore at any price.  To the contrary, a lot of roads kept them running for well beyond the usual 15 or 20-year service life, and others then picked them up as used for a second life - WC and MRL come to mind, among others. 

A better example would be the SD50 - as this article says, it was "a step too far" too soon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_SD50 

Which brings to mind even better instances - both the EMD and GE 6000HP diesel locos, the SD90MAC with a 265H engine, and the AC6000CW with a 7HDL engine, respectively (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_SD90MAC and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_AC6000CW ).  I believe none or only a few are still in service at that rating, and only a few at their initial or down-graded ratings of 4,400 HP or so.

By the way, I had a '75 Chevy Vega  'GT' model 2-door station wagon assigned to me as a 'company car' for 3 years, and put about 85,000 miles on it before it was traded in.  Really, it was OK - actually a little bigger inside than a Chevy Camaro - as long as it stayed on the road - off road, the oil pan was prone to snagging on rocks, etc.  After about 30,000 miles, we learned to check the oil level at each fill - and add a quart when needed every 3rd or 4th tank or so - because of the wear of the aluminum block from the steel piston rings, and consequent oil consumption/ loss . . . Whistling  It (and me) were kind of a pet and a long-running source of humor for the heavy equipment shop mechanics who also had to care for it . . . .   

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Posted by creepycrank on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 7:15 PM

Hold on now, Fortesque metals of Australia bought a bunch of SD90's to have them converted to 16-710 engines but couldn't wait so 4 were sent as is, for service on their line. EMD must have the bugs worked out as its the same engine used on the Chinese 6000 hp order. All the original 6000 hp engines were scrapped and replaced by either 16 cylinder FDL engines or by the new 16 cylinder GEVO engine which is a complete redesign of the original 6000 hp unit. 

Re: 20- 645 crankshafts. I had an experience with a broken crankshaft on a generator engine on Martha's Vinyard that had only 14,000 hours in 25 years of service. It had a major flaw in it so I wonder how they were able to improve inspection procedures in that time. I think they got a new crankshaft from EMD on a "policy adjustment"

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Posted by Modelcar on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 7:22 PM

Paul....Similar experience with a Vega.

Had an early 70's Vega GT Wagon, and really kind of liked to drive around our fair city here.  And similiar to your experience, at about 40,000 mi., the oil consumption issue started to be noticed.

So....I sold it.

Some time later....at a restaurant one day...I noticed this vehicle as we came out and took a closer look.  Yep, it was the one I had, and the odo. indicated 93,000 mi. on it.

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Posted by edblysard on Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:16 PM

Quentin,

Remember the 350 Vega conversions?

Kits that allowed you to cram a 350 V8 in there, but you better add the brace across the space where the back seat was, and one across the engine compartment, or the torque would end up cracking the car!

Instant street drag racer....

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Posted by Modelcar on Friday, December 23, 2011 11:14 AM

.....Yes Ed, that made a hotrod out of them.  And I'm sure the brace accross the spring towers under the hood as you said, an angle brace at the back was needed...That small car was not intended to react to torque to that degree.

We had several prototypes in our Lab for some time in that era, as we supplied 5 speed trany's for them.  But what was really different, and unusual, was the fact the cars were going to receive a rotary {Wankel}, engine.  We had several that had the installation, and the Wankel really did the job...!

You might have seen my comments on a post back a month or so ago, about the same thing was being considered for the German Ford produced Capri....And I was over in the United Kingman working with our trany 5 speed in one of them...{At Letchworth}, and I rode in one out on the Motorway and {too much speed}, for that car...Pretty exciting.  If I remember correctly, he {driver}, had it up to about 220 kph...{roughly 134 mph}...!  And then the smoke poured out the exhaust when he let up on the throtle...Oil sealing was a Wankel problem.

But back to the Vega....There was another version of hotroding it...and that was done by a special production model from GM. The Cosworth Vega.  Smaller engine, with overhead cams, valves, etc....Believe that engine was just 122 ci.  There is actually one here in Munice yet...I see it at car "shows" from clubs in the Summertime...

Just some trivia of Wankel and Vega, etc...Seems Mazda has been the only one to push ahead with production cars powered by it.

Edit:  If I can find it...I have a photo I took under the hood of a Cosworth Vega recently at one of those local car "shows"...Perhaps last Summer or the one before.....

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Posted by AgentKid on Saturday, December 24, 2011 5:52 PM

Murray

Group Therapy: Tell Us Your Pinto, Vega and Gremlin Stories:

Murray, I really enjoyed that one.

Those Gremlin's had a six that had only been upgraded about once after WWII. One of the car magazines of the era had an article about how to soup-up those sixes using very old school (and cheap) parts, and almost extinct techniques. I always wished we could have tried it on my friend's Gremlin, but with a wife and child, he had to sell it for a bigger car.

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Saturday, December 24, 2011 7:13 PM

In the mid-seventies I owned a Hornet with the same obsolescent in-line six engine as the Gremlin (the Gremlin essentially being a sawed-off Hornet).  My cousin Billy, who helped me tune it, referred to the engine as "the 1928 Chevrolet" and he wasn't too far off the mark.  We got it tuned but it only ran well on premium unleaded, which was impossible to find in the county I then lived in.  In the three or four times I had to make hard panic stops, the engine died -- the fourth and last time being the wreck (not my fault) that totalled the Hornet.  I it hasn't been mentioned before, recall that the Gremlin's success was a fluke -- it just happened to have an enormous fuel tank relative to the demands of the overall car at the time when the energy crisis often had people sitting in long lines to fill 'er up, which they wanted to do as seldom as possible. 

Like many or most people, I admire the dream cars of the Fifties and Sixties -- the fins and wide bodies giving way to higher compression and pony and GTO like cars.  But were they of better quality?  Heck, no!  It wasn't always easy growing up a Baby Boomer, but all my adult life cars, especially American cars, have gotten better and better -- they last longer, they're more finely engineered, more sparing with gasoline of course, and the concept of "holding a tune" is almost irrelevant.  If the gas I get varies by an octane point or two from the norm, I probably won't even know it, now that microchips take the place of a carburetor.  The drawback for all this modernity is that a competent amateur like my cousin Billy the amateur no longer is able to play "shade-tree mechanic" and do all kinds of maintenance with a spanner, spark-plug gap measuring device, and spirit level (FWD with its MacPherson struts require computer tuning, no longer the spirit level that could place a tire at a direct ninety-degree angle to the road, nothing else.  I will admit the cheaper cars can get boring, but surely I was lucky to have missed the "excitement" of GM's early-Seventies clunker, the Vega! 

PS:  With my insurance money from the totalled Hornet I bought a used 1974 Monte, and other than the facts that the steering was numb and it got about half to two-thirds the amount of mileage that modern cars do, I loved the comfort and style.  I hope I don't offend anyone by saying this, but my therapist says that every American man should have a "*** car" at least once in my life, and the Monte was mine.   

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:14 AM

Merry Christmas to you all from all of us here in San Antonio!!!

 

 

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Sunday, December 25, 2011 3:13 AM

Murray

Merry Christmas to you all from all of us here in San Antonio!!!

 

 

And a howdy from Chicago, too!  Welcome to 2012 in just another week!  -  al smalling

 

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Sunday, December 25, 2011 3:14 AM

Murray

Merry Christmas to you all from all of us here in San Antonio!!!

 

 

And a howdy from Chicago, too!  Welcome to 2012 in just another week!  -  al smalling

 

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Merry Christmas from Hope, Ar.

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