If it turns out to be a fusee or a "torpedo", the railroad employee should be terminated and sent to work for the newspaper. Please keep us posted.
Hays
BNSFwatcher If it turns out to be a fusee or a "torpedo", the railroad employee should be terminated and sent to work for the newspaper. Please keep us posted. Hays
I see. And did you attend the training we all had to go through? Do you know that conductor?
I do. In rules class, he was by far the most informed, and reliable. His work makes others pale in comparison. His situational Awareness is exemplary.
So again, inform us why HE should be terminated?
Oh, and I am willing to bet my next paycheck, you could not do nearly as good a job as he does on a daily basis.
Bah!
BNSFwatcherIf it turns out to be a fusee or a "torpedo", the railroad employee should be terminated and sent to work for the newspaper. Please keep us posted. Hays
Forgive him for he is a "foamer" and knows not what he says.
beaulieuHmm, no BATF or FBI, and no mention of a Bomb Squad, either MC Police are a little reckless or they were more sure it wasn't really a bomb than the story makes it sound.
I assure you, they are NOT reckless. Bomb squad? They are 120 miles away in Des Moines. BATF? They might have people in Minneapolis, 130 miles away. Cedar Rapids 143 miles away may have bomb experts, they do have an FBI office.
It is up to MCPD and MCFD to determine if it was dangerous or not.
So, everytime a railroad employee stumbles upon a fusee or torpedo he should start shrieking for the bomb squad?
The fact that it was " turned over" to another agency tells the tale. If there was a real danger it should have been dealt with then and there. Or maybe ther is an epidemic of stupidity in Mason City.
tdmidget So, everytime a railroad employee stumbles upon a fusee or torpedo he should start shrieking for the bomb squad? The fact that it was " turned over" to another agency tells the tale. If there was a real danger it should have been dealt with then and there. Or maybe ther is an epidemic of stupidity in Mason City.
You do not know what exactly the conductor saw, and what it was in reality. Have you seen the training they must go through? The conductor went through channels. He did his job as he was instructed.
You assume too much. And as our training said, assume nothing.
tdmidget So, everytime a railroad employee stumbles upon a fusee or torpedo he should start shrieking for the bomb squad?The fact that it was " turned over" to another agency tells the tale. If there was a real danger it should have been dealt with then and there. Or maybe ther is an epidemic of stupidity in Mason City.
Frist of all.. when is the last time a class-1 used torpedos? 2nd, even the most clueless RRer knows what a fusee is. So stop the dramatics, please.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.t fun any
zugmann So stop the dramatics, please.
Dramatics? On a foamer forum? I'm amazed........
I don't recall anyone saying that :
1. Class As or any other for that matter still used torpedos
or
2. That rairoad employess din't know what fusee is.
He said that if a railway employee started this ruckus over common railway items ( and yes torpedos can still be found frequently) that they should be fired. And they should.
As far as the article being of any consequence , picture this conversation:
Fire Marshalls Office?
Hey David I got something for you. Looks like it could blow up any second!
tdmidget I don't recall anyone saying that :1. Class As or any other for that matter still used torpedosor2. That rairoad employess din't know what fusee is.He said that if a railway employee started this ruckus over common railway items ( and yes torpedos can still be found frequently) that they should be fired. And they should.As far as the article being of any consequence , picture this conversation:Fire Marshalls Office? Hey David I got something for you. Looks like it could blow up any second!
What is a class-a?
Your post is insulting to the extreme to the many railroaders who work very hard in this country.
Perhaps you should just leave rail operations and safety matters to the experts.
tdmidget I don't recall anyone saying that : 1. Class As or any other for that matter still used torpedos or 2. That rairoad employess din't know what fusee is. He said that if a railway employee started this ruckus over common railway items ( and yes torpedos can still be found frequently) that they should be fired. And they should. As far as the article being of any consequence , picture this conversation: Fire Marshalls Office? Hey David I got something for you. Looks like it could blow up any second!
This is rural Iowa, where you going to find a bomb expert? Or the BATF?
And I am telling you now, we do not use torpedos any more, have not for years. According to the mechanics here, torpedos have been long gone, even on foreign units.
Again, how are you sure these were common railroad items the conductor saw? Are you privey to the investigation? Please inform the Globe Gazette.
I have found a total of ONE torpedo. Long forgotten in the box on a foreign line locomotive.
Then I saw the fusees and ran away screaming. Us RRers don't know what those things are...
And what happens when a RRer finds a fusee in the fog?
zugmann And what happens when a RRer finds a fusee in the fog?
He shows it to Eleanor Roosevelt who waves from her 1951 Nash.
Zugman, you prove my point. Torpedoes and fusees, whether in common use or not, are still to be found on all roads. They are not a reason to play Chicken little and call the bomb squad. And if there are no experts in explosive devices available, do you pass it around until you find one?
RRKenThis is rural Iowa, where you going to find a bomb expert?
Who you gonna call? Bomb Busters!!
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Murray zugmann And what happens when a RRer finds a fusee in the fog? He shows it to Eleanor Roosevelt who waves from her 1951 Nash.
Wait a second, I thought we were not supposed to talk about Eleanor waving in the fog?
Ask it if it is lost--------
RRKenMurray zugmann And what happens when a RRer finds a fusee in the fog? He shows it to Eleanor Roosevelt who waves from her 1951 Nash. Wait a second, I thought we were not supposed to talk about Eleanor waving in the fog?
You can provided that Mrs Roosevelt is waving in a safe manner.
tdmidget Zugman, you prove my point. Torpedoes and fusees, whether in common use or not, are still to be found on all roads. They are not a reason to play Chicken little and call the bomb squad. And if there are no experts in explosive devices available, do you pass it around until you find one?
And you know that it was a fusee or torpedo....
... how?
You silly person, I have been in more terminals and locomotives that I care to think about. And it is NOT common to find a torpedo, maybe rare if at all. Those boxes are empty. Any in storage were turned over to the carrier.
Any reference to torpedos have been written out of the rule books. They NO LONGER exist.
It is a System wide issue, not just in your back yard.
I do this for a living sir. I should know.
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tdmidgetZugman, you prove my point. Torpedoes and fusees, whether in common use or not, are still to be found on all roads. They are not a reason to play Chicken little and call the bomb squad. And if there are no experts in explosive devices available, do you pass it around until you find one?
Let's summarize what we know:
A railroader finds what he considers "suspicious". Despite popular opinion on here, most RRers are pretty competent.
He reports said object to proper authority AS OUTLINED IN HIS RULE BOOKS.
Authorities handle object as they see fit.
Now, WHY the heck should we fire this guy? He is doing his job.
Fog Waving Saftey fussee, all in 1 post this is not good, now exsplosive and judgment of duty , looks like this thread is headed for the crapper. Norris you cant blame me this time. good doggie..................
zugmann I have found a total of ONE torpedo. Long forgotten in the box on a foreign line locomotive. Then I saw the fusees and ran away screaming. Us RRers don't know what those things are...
Hey, Zug. You forgot the smiley(s) for hysterical laughter.
As a former disaster control responder, I was told to isolate any unidentified or known explosive device, clear the area of personnel and wait for a qualified EOD team to deal with it. I also got to re-calculate the safety zone around each parking spot where a bomb-loaded F-4 might be parked (it was big, and got bigger.) If, on the other hand, I recognized it as reasonably harmless (grenade with the pin still in, or a pipe nipple without an explosive charge) I could simply remove it and turn it over to EOD when they arrived if potentially explosive, or to recycling if it was simply scrap.
So maybe the conductor saw something he didn't recognize that was actually not an immediate hazard, recognized as such by the responders. Sounds to me as if everyone involved did what they were supposed to do.
Chuck {MSgt(ret) USAF]
blownout cylinderzugmann And what happens when a RRer finds a fusee in the fog? Ask it if it is lost--------
I just have to respond:
wabash1 Fog Waving Saftey fussee, all in 1 post this is not good, now exsplosive and judgment of duty , looks like this thread is headed for the crapper. Norris you cant blame me this time. good doggie..................
I would not have it any other way.
ohno ohno---runaway! Flee! Flee!
RRKen I would not have it any other way.
I bet that report abuse button is getting a workout..
wabash1Fog Waving Saftey fussee, all in 1 post this is not good, now exsplosive and judgment of duty , looks like this thread is headed for the crapper. Norris you cant blame me this time. good doggie..................
But in your heart you really want to Wabash........
You're a RRer, wabash. It's ALWAYS your fault!
zugmann RRKen I would not have it any other way. I bet that report abuse button is getting a workout..
Call the BATF.
RRKen Call the BATF.
They're not around. Call Uncle Jimmy-Bob. He only has 3 fingers left to blow off. No real loss.
zugmann RRKen Call the BATF. They're not around. Call Uncle Jimmy-Bob. He only has 3 fingers left to blow off. No real loss.
Yeah, he lives on a dirt road just off the county black top. He can pick a banjo better than most folk with five fingers.
And if it's not a pipe bomb and just a pipe.. he'll be that much closer to indoor plumbing!
zugmann And if it's not a pipe bomb and just a pipe.. he'll be that much closer to indoor plumbing!
He has a cistern and fields. The ground freezes too hard for pipes.
He still have that ol' one holer?
blownout cylinder He still have that ol' one holer?
It was until the tavern had that all you could eat hot wing night.
Burned a whole new hole..
PS.. we just ooze class on here.
zugmann blownout cylinder He still have that ol' one holer? It was until the tavern had that all you could eat hot wing night. Burned a whole new hole.. PS.. we just ooze class on here.
More class on one hand with three fingers.
Some class kid...some class.
I don't know guys....I must be reading this differently than some others on here:Sgt. Greg Scott of the Mason City Police Department said the device, which he declined to describe, was spotted by a railroad employee about 11:50 a.m. Monday in a city parking area between the sidewalk and the street in the 600 block of Ninth Street Northwest. I sure don't see anything that says the *device* had anything to do with railroads or railroad equipment. It may even be just a coincidence, that the person who spotted it was a railroad employee. For all we know, he or she spotted it while walking or driving through the city parking area between the sidewalk and the street. I sure don't think it's an issue worth belittling the railroad employee over, especially given so little information.
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Murphy Siding I don't know guys....I must be reading this differently than some others on here:Sgt. Greg Scott of the Mason City Police Department said the device, which he declined to describe, was spotted by a railroad employee about 11:50 a.m. Monday in a city parking area between the sidewalk and the street in the 600 block of Ninth Street Northwest. I sure don't see anything that says the *device* had anything to do with railroads or railroad equipment. It may even be just a coincidence, that the person who spotted it was a railroad employee. For all we know, he or she spotted it while walking or driving through the city parking area between the sidewalk and the street. I sure don't think it's an issue worth belittling the railroad employee over, especially given so little information.
No facts allowed. It was a conductor, he saw a fusee in the box marked "fusees", it was foggy, he was running on a clear, and freaked out. And he was too busy to wave...
And he likes oreo cookies.
There was so little information. Even if I was given more, I doubt it would be shared here. Indeed it would not. I let the powers that be do that job.
And said rail ran screaming past Mrs Roosevelt who was driving her 1951 Nash.....in a safe manner.
zugmann And he likes oreo cookies.
With goats milk?
RRKen With goats milk?
Would a RRer have it any other way?
Baaaaaaa!
mmmm---if it was just in a parking area then the writer could have just as easily said a "passer-by" found this thing and not have mentioned the "conductor" bit.
We had a situation awhile back that was similar and there was no mention of the fellow's occupation, so?
zugmann No facts allowed. It was a conductor, he saw a fusee in the box marked "fusees", it was foggy, he was running on a clear, and freaked out. And he was too busy to wave... And he likes oreo cookies.
zugmann RRKen With goats milk? Would a RRer have it any other way? Baaaaaaa!
Could have done it with Soy----
blownout cylinderCould have done it with Soy----
Goats are better looking than soybean plants...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV0MtVWIN8Y
zugmann blownout cylinder Could have done it with Soy---- Goats are better looking than soybean plants...
blownout cylinder Could have done it with Soy----
I was raised in Chicago on goat's milk. Nary a bean in sight.
blownout cylinder mmmm---if it was just in a parking area then the writer could have just as easily said a "passer-by" found this thing and not have mentioned the "conductor" bit. We had a situation awhile back that was similar and there was no mention of the fellow's occupation, so?
One time, I was going through my power consist to try and find those torpedos that are so very common amongst all railroads today, even class A roads, whatever that is, never heard of a class A road before. But anyway... Whilst going on 10 years for searching for these little explosive devices, I looked out the window and notced a goat in a pasture eating "Oregon" Cookies! Yes, Oregon cookies. We're only Class B railroads out here, so we're wetter.
Now here's where it gets wierd. I opened the door to check the water sightglass and found a torpedo on the floor next to the auto-drain!! Isn't that the strangest thing!!
Murphy Siding first post of this (insane) thread:
first post of this (insane) thread:
Aww, you're too kind!
spcascadesOne time, I was going through my power consist to try and find those torpedos that are so very common amongst all railroads today, even class A roads, whatever that is, never heard of a class A road before. But anyway... Whilst going on 10 years for searching for these little explosive devices, I looked out the window and notced a goat in a pasture eating Oreo Cookies! Now here's where it gets wierd. I opened the door to check the water sightglass and found a torpedo on the floor next to the auto-drain!! Isn't that the strangest thing!!
One time, I was going through my power consist to try and find those torpedos that are so very common amongst all railroads today, even class A roads, whatever that is, never heard of a class A road before. But anyway... Whilst going on 10 years for searching for these little explosive devices, I looked out the window and notced a goat in a pasture eating Oreo Cookies!
Now I want some oreos.
Murphy Siding nor do I see explosive oreos mentioned.
Are they any relationship to the exploding Torpedo Cigar?
spcascades But anyway... Whilst going on 10 years for searching for these little explosive devices, I looked out the window and notced a goat in a pasture eating Oregon Cookies!
But anyway... Whilst going on 10 years for searching for these little explosive devices, I looked out the window and notced a goat in a pasture eating Oregon Cookies!
They have them in Wisconsin too, mostly from dairy.
blownout cylinder Murphy Siding nor do I see explosive oreos mentioned. Are they any relationship to the exploding Torpedo Cigar?
Hand rolled by Cubans in Brooklyn, and packed in axle grease. I have had a few.
I tried using oreos to protect a crossing. Didn't work too well.
Goats ate them all.
But I didn't set the bushes on fire!
I ran over that there torpedo in attempts to scare the cooie eating goat, in which case I would steal the remaining cookies, but to no avail. Those little torepdos are so common and readily available, the goat was used to them. Kinda like railroad workers are to know-it-wall foamers.
spcascadesI ran over that there torpedo in attempts to scare the cooie eating goat, in which case I would steal the remaining cookies, but to no avail. Those little torepdos are so common and readily available, the goat was used to them. Kinda like railroad workers are to know-it-wall foamers.
cmon... we know you wanted to steal the goat!
zugmann spcascades I ran over that there torpedo in attempts to scare the cooie eating goat, in which case I would steal the remaining cookies, but to no avail. Those little torepdos are so common and readily available, the goat was used to them. Kinda like railroad workers are to know-it-wall foamers. cmon... we know you wanted to steal the goat!
spcascades I ran over that there torpedo in attempts to scare the cooie eating goat, in which case I would steal the remaining cookies, but to no avail. Those little torepdos are so common and readily available, the goat was used to them. Kinda like railroad workers are to know-it-wall foamers.
No, No. The goat was perfectly fine right were it was, doing what normal goats do. eating cookies in the pasture.
BTW, for you mega-foamers out there, the goat used in this thread is an animal, not a switch engine. I felt I had to clear the air on that since there are probably many folks at home asking themselves, "now why would a switch engine be out in a pasture..... "
spcascadesBTW, for you mega-foamers out there, the goat used in this thread is an animal, not a switch engine. I felt I had to clear the air on that since there are probably many folks at home asking themselves, "now why would a switch engine be out in a pasture..... "
Pasture? Was it not a cornfield?
When I first saw this I thought of the weird story of the locomotive that apparently went off icy rails and ended up in the middle of a field---only to back up and rerail itself and just carry on. Like I said---weird weird weird
spcascades zugmann spcascades I ran over that there torpedo in attempts to scare the cooie eating goat, in which case I would steal the remaining cookies, but to no avail. Those little torepdos are so common and readily available, the goat was used to them. Kinda like railroad workers are to know-it-wall foamers. cmon... we know you wanted to steal the goat! No, No. The goat was perfectly fine right were it was, doing what normal goats do. eating cookies in the pasture. BTW, for you mega-foamers out there, the goat used in this thread is an animal, not a switch engine. I felt I had to clear the air on that since there are probably many folks at home asking themselves, "now why would a switch engine be out in a pasture..... "
spcascades No, No. The goat was perfectly fine right were it was, doing what normal goats do. eating cookies in the pasture. BTW, for you mega-foamers out there, the goat used in this thread is an animal, not a switch engine. I felt I had to clear the air on that since there are probably many folks at home asking themselves, "now why would a switch engine be out in a pasture..... "
Maybe the engineer got lost in the fog....?
zugmannMaybe the engineer got lost in the fog....?
I can just hear this now---"Which way do we go George? Which way do we go?"
Murphy Siding First generation, or second generation goat? Was it painted Goat Heritage I, or Goat Heritage III?
First generation, or second generation goat? Was it painted Goat Heritage I, or Goat Heritage III?
Low-emissions, Genset Goat. Unless he had too many cookies...
*sung in his best Cookie Monster voice* "C is for cookie, that's good enough for me"....
blownout cylinderzugmannMaybe the engineer got lost in the fog....? I can just hear this now---"Which way do we go George? Which way do we go?"
"Bring it back, reeeeeeeeal easy!"
You can't find Oregon cookies in a corn field.
zugmann Murphy Siding First generation, or second generation goat? Was it painted Goat Heritage I, or Goat Heritage III? Low-emissions, Genset Goat. Unless he had too many cookies...
They get too much gas if they have too many cookies?
blownout cylinder They get too much gas if they have too many cookies?
Only if they are Oregon cookies.
zugmann blownout cylinder They get too much gas if they have too many cookies? Only if they are Oregon cookies.
I never get gas from Goat's Milk.
It probably wouldn't be wise to chase an Oregon Cookie eatin' goat into a corn field.
RRKenI never get gas from Goat's Milk.
Guess we'll have to search elsewhere to solve our energy crisis...
BamaCSX83 *sung in his best Cookie Monster voice* "C is for cookie, that's good enough for me"....
But was it the Oreo or the Oregon cookie?
blownout cylinder But was it the Oreo or the Oregon cookie?
Oregon cookies are a "sometimes food".
Oregon. See, you can eat cookies all day long and when they come out you can't tell what it was. Now corn on the other hand, well....
spcascades Oregon. See, you can eat cookies all day long and when they come out you can't tell what it was. Now corn on the other hand, well....
Or Tomatoes----
I've noticed blueberries do the same thing....
Run away, screaming, at a speed slow enough to allow stopping within half the length of visibility or 15 feet per hour, whichever is slower.
"No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld)
tomikawaTT zugmann I have found a total of ONE torpedo. Long forgotten in the box on a foreign line locomotive. [snip] [snip] As a former disaster control responder, I was told to isolate any unidentified or known explosive device, clear the area of personnel and wait for a qualified EOD team to deal with it. I also got to re-calculate the safety zone around each parking spot where a bomb-loaded F-4 might be parked (it was big, and got bigger.) If, on the other hand, I recognized it as reasonably harmless (grenade with the pin still in, or a pipe nipple without an explosive charge) I could simply remove it and turn it over to EOD when they arrived if potentially explosive, or to recycling if it was simply scrap. So maybe the conductor saw something he didn't recognize that was actually not an immediate hazard, recognized as such by the responders. Sounds to me as if everyone involved did what they were supposed to do. Chuck {MSgt(ret) USAF]
zugmann I have found a total of ONE torpedo. Long forgotten in the box on a foreign line locomotive. [snip]
I have found a total of ONE torpedo. Long forgotten in the box on a foreign line locomotive. [snip]
[snip]
When I was working at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland in the early 1980's, some of the safety rules and briefings concerned UXO = UneXploded Ordnance, especially the old stuff, which we were told could be more dangerous because of chemical decomposition leading to instability and hence a risk of detonation from any impetus - movement, vibration, impact, static electricity, etc.
So yours truly was walking along a low embankment on the edge of a large field above the Mulberry Point track one fine spring afternoon, and sees something that looks like an old dirt-encrusted mortar round laying at the break of the slope down to the tracks. A hole the same size was right next to it, and the grass was freshly mowed - I surmised that a tire on the mower caught the edge of it and flipped it out of its hole. There was nothing identifiable nearby, so I got a single stake out of the truck, drove it in the ground about 3 ft. away, and tied red survey flagging on it. On my way out that day I reported it by leaving a message for our APG construction coordinator/ inspector, 'Doc' Shelley.
Next morning I stopped in to ask what happened with it. He notified the base Fire Dept., who got the UXO guys out to go get and dispose of it - turned out it was a live round from back in the World War I days. Then I was complimented for finding and reporting it - and yelled at for driving the stake in next to it, which could have set it off. Lesson learned for the next time, which may pertain here . . . even if you know what it is, if it's old, don't touch it or go near it - get the experts.
- Paul North.
I just blew coffee out my nose and all over my desk....
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ericsp zugmann And what happens when a RRer finds a fusee in the fog? Run away, screaming, at a speed slow enough to allow stopping within half the length of visibility or 15 feet per hour, whichever is slower.
Wouldn't it better if'n he used a fog horn? Some fog has been known to swallow the human voice y'know
Paul_D_North_Jr tomikawaTT zugmann I have found a total of ONE torpedo. Long forgotten in the box on a foreign line locomotive. [snip] [snip] As a former disaster control responder, I was told to isolate any unidentified or known explosive device, clear the area of personnel and wait for a qualified EOD team to deal with it. I also got to re-calculate the safety zone around each parking spot where a bomb-loaded F-4 might be parked (it was big, and got bigger.) If, on the other hand, I recognized it as reasonably harmless (grenade with the pin still in, or a pipe nipple without an explosive charge) I could simply remove it and turn it over to EOD when they arrived if potentially explosive, or to recycling if it was simply scrap. So maybe the conductor saw something he didn't recognize that was actually not an immediate hazard, recognized as such by the responders. Sounds to me as if everyone involved did what they were supposed to do. Chuck {MSgt(ret) USAF] When I was working at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland in the early 1980's, some of the safety rules and briefings concerned UXO = UneXploded Ordnance, especially the old stuff, which we were told could be more dangerous because of chemical decomposition leading to instability and hence a risk of detonation from any impetus - movement, vibration, impact, static electricity, etc. So yours truly was walking along a low embankment on the edge of a large field above the Mulberry Point track one fine spring afternoon, and sees something that looks like an old dirt-encrusted mortar round laying at the break of the slope down to the tracks. A hole the same size was right next to it, and the grass was freshly mowed - I surmised that a tire on the mower caught the edge of it and flipped it out of its hole. There was nothing identifiable nearby, so I got a single stake out of the truck, drove it in the ground about 3 ft. away, and tied red survey flagging on it. On my way out that day I reported it by leaving a message for our APG construction coordinator/ inspector, 'Doc' Shelley. Next morning I stopped in to ask what happened with it. He notified the base Fire Dept., who got the UXO guys out to go get and dispose of it - turned out it was a live round from back in the World War I days. Then I was complimented for finding and reporting it - and yelled at for driving the stake in next to it, which could have set it off. Lesson learned for the next time, which may pertain here . . . even if you know what it is, if it's old, don't touch it or go near it - get the experts. - Paul North.
Dan
CNW 6000Interesting posts Tom & Paul. About the only 2 worth reading on this thread.
Oh come on Dan, your opining is a little harsh...The thread is not that bad. Besides, it was misinformation and incorrect assumptions by some of the original posters that got this thing rolling. RRKen LIVES in Mason City. He is in the best position to know (FACTUALLY) what happened.
New regulations were to go into effect December 26, 2008, but the railroads successfully petitioned for a delay until April 1, 2009. The regs can be found at 49 CFR 1580. Suffice to say, every passenger and freight railroad now must have a Rail Security Coordinator who is available 24/7 to coordinate intelligence and security with the Transportation Security Administration and law enforcement agencies. And every railroad now is required to "immediately report potential threats and significant security concerns to the Department of Homeland Security at 703-563-3240 or 1-877-456-8722." Potential threats or significant security concerns are defined to include: --interference with train crews; --bomb threats; --suspicious items that could disrupt railroad operations; --suspicious activity around rail cars or rail facilities; --discovery of a firearm or other deadly weapon on a train, station, terminal, facility, storage yard, or other location used in the operation of the railroad; --indications of tampering with rail cars; --surveillance of a train, facility, storage yard, or other location used in the operation of the railroad; --threatening correspondence received by the railroad.
Suffice to say, every passenger and freight railroad now must have a Rail Security Coordinator who is available 24/7 to coordinate intelligence and security with the Transportation Security Administration and law enforcement agencies.
And every railroad now is required to "immediately report potential threats and significant security concerns to the Department of Homeland Security at 703-563-3240 or 1-877-456-8722."
Potential threats or significant security concerns are defined to include:
--interference with train crews;
--bomb threats;
--suspicious items that could disrupt railroad operations;
--suspicious activity around rail cars or rail facilities;
--discovery of a firearm or other deadly weapon on a train, station, terminal, facility, storage yard, or other location used in the operation of the railroad;
--indications of tampering with rail cars;
--surveillance of a train, facility, storage yard, or other location used in the operation of the railroad;
--threatening correspondence received by the railroad.
In addition, the FRA has posted rules concerning TIH/PIH materials which includes:
"To guard against the possibility that an unauthorized individual could tamper with rail cars containing hazardous materials to precipitate an incident during transportation, such as detonation or release using an improvised explosive device (IED), the rule requires the rail carriers’ pre-trip inspections of placarded rail cars to include an inspection for signs of tampering with the rail car, including its seals and closures, and an inspection for any item that does not belong, is suspicious, or may be an IED."
The training we get is not on a whim from the carrier. Your interpretations do not matter since, you are not in a position to regulated railroads, nor impose economic penalties upon them. This information is out there for you to research at you leisure. And it seems to go along with what the former Military people here have said.
CNW 6000mInteresting posts Tom & Paul. About the only 2 worth reading on this thread.
mInteresting posts Tom & Paul. About the only 2 worth reading on this thread.
That hurt, Dan. I'm taking my fusees and going home.
RRKen New regulations were to go into effect December 26, 2008, but the railroads successfully petitioned for a delay until April 1, 2009. The regs can be found at 49 CFR 1580. Suffice to say, every passenger and freight railroad now must have a Rail Security Coordinator who is available 24/7 to coordinate intelligence and security with the Transportation Security Administration and law enforcement agencies. And every railroad now is required to "immediately report potential threats and significant security concerns to the Department of Homeland Security at 703-563-3240 or 1-877-456-8722." Potential threats or significant security concerns are defined to include: --interference with train crews; --bomb threats; --suspicious items that could disrupt railroad operations; --suspicious activity around rail cars or rail facilities; --discovery of a firearm or other deadly weapon on a train, station, terminal, facility, storage yard, or other location used in the operation of the railroad; --indications of tampering with rail cars; --surveillance of a train, facility, storage yard, or other location used in the operation of the railroad; --threatening correspondence received by the railroad.
That is interesting because it seems to directly intersect with the railroad photography hobby. The prohibition item of surveillance would certainly cover all railroad photography. It would also pertain to observation alone without a camera. And it would apply to people conducting surveillance who are not actually on railroad property.
Now granted, it does not say that surveillance is illegal. However, the occurrence of surveillance does require the railroad company to report the incident to the Department of Homeland Security. So what happens after that phone call?
Surely the police must be called in order to investigate the surveillance incident and make a report to DHS. Maybe DHS sends their own officer to directly investigate. So, if this is the procedure, it means that any person who looks at a train with apparent interest, from any location, will be questioned and investigated for conducting surveillance if that person is seen by an employee of the railroad.
Would using a fusee for auxiliary light photography be of concern?
edblysardI just blew coffee out my nose and all over my desk....
Johnny
. . . and most especially a post by/ from wabash1 !
- Paul.
What's the deal with the Eleanor Roosevelt "wit?"
C&NW, CA&E, MILW, CGW and IC fan
Eleanor Roosevelt was a well known advocate of government regulation.
http://boe.aar.com/boe/download/bureau_of_explosives_specification_for_standard_track_torpedoes.pdf
Victrola1Eleanor Roosevelt was a well known advocate of government regulation. http://boe.aar.com/boe/download/bureau_of_explosives_specification_for_standard_track_torpedoes.pdf
Among other things, but I doubt if she had anything to do with regulating railroad employees or the link above.
YAY!!!!!
The 100th post!!!
Eleanor Roosevelt would be proud......
You would think after this many years I would be prepared....
Paul_D_North_Jr . . . and most especially a post by/ from wabash1 ! - Paul.
You guys disappoint me a little bit. I mean...yes...I realize you're all waving to Eleanor Roosevelt in the fog while eating oreos. None of you have mentioned the fact that she was really there to see how well camouflaged those white boxcars with the shackles are in the fog.
-ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams
I have heard cows must be kept from green corn or their stomachs may expand and explode. What about Oreos? What of goats?
If a cow in green corn along the tracks explodes as the engine goes past, will this cause the train to be put in emergency stop? Will the Secret Service return fire from Eleanor's private car?
RRKen There was so little information. Even if I was given more, I doubt it would be shared here. Indeed it would not. I let the powers that be do that job.
Another GOVERNMENT COVERUP!
A serious question. Was it a "Green Goat"? They are much easier to see in the fog, even if they are in a pasture or cornfield.
Shouldn't we ask "Tugboat Tony" about the fog horn, if he isn't too busy running into railroad bridges?
This thread is even funnier than Darwin's thread. I'm proud of y'all!
The Invisible Goatman
CopCarSS You guys disappoint me a little bit. I mean...yes...I realize you're all waving to Eleanor Roosevelt in the fog while eating oreos. None of you have mentioned the fact that she was really there to see how well camouflaged those white boxcars with the shackles are in the fog.
Thanks for the laugh! It was a good thing I just swallowed me coffee when I saw this!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HY8vxYX78s
In regards to the "green goat," if it has a cat engine, would that same goat meow out in the corn field?
Which brings up another thought, could you train that same cat powered green goat to use the littler box?
If i post i think I will be reported again its probley gonna be PG-13 or worse and Norris will go Bad Doggie.
Anybody want to talk about railroad stuff?
Have there been any further reports on what the "device" actually was?
Murphy Siding Anybody want to talk about railroad stuff?
Personally I thought Ken had some great perspective...as he lives in that town. Waiting for more info...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNgZcRn9peM
Murphy SidingAnybody want to talk about railroad stuff?
Nah. Goats are more fun.
So are Oregon cookies.
zugmann Murphy Siding Anybody want to talk about railroad stuff? Nah. Goats are more fun. So are Oregon cookies.
And Eleanor Roosevelt selling margarine on TV.......
CNW 6000 zugmann Murphy Siding Anybody want to talk about railroad stuff? Nah. Goats are more fun. So are Oregon cookies. So if you have two of those goats (with cookies) in a cornfield...does that count as a cornfield meet?
Wouldn't they have to face each other?
spcascades In regards to the "green goat," if it has a cat engine, would that same goat meow out in the corn field? Which brings up another thought, could you train that same cat powered green goat to use the littler box?
It has a unique voice to it---I suppose it could be a meow
All cats come with their own litterbox ----
blownout cylinder CNW 6000 zugmann Murphy Siding Anybody want to talk about railroad stuff? Nah. Goats are more fun. So are Oregon cookies. So if you have two of those goats (with cookies) in a cornfield...does that count as a cornfield meet? Wouldn't they have to face each other?
MurrayAnd Eleanor Roosevelt selling margarine on TV.......
Real railroaders. Sound more like six year olds. Or is this how you relieve the stress of such a hard life. Guess it's better than getting drunk?
schlimm Real railroaders. Sound more like six year olds. Or is this how you relieve the stress of such a hard life. Guess it's better than getting drunk?
Schlimmy...Is everyone in Bartlett, Illinois as uptight and hostile as yourself?
schlimmReal railroaders. Sound more like six year olds. Or is this how you relieve the stress of such a hard life. Guess it's better than getting drunk?
Yeah I know, a sense of humor is such a horrible curse.
This is an internet forum Slim Shady. lighten up.
BNSFwatcher RRKen There was so little information. Even if I was given more, I doubt it would be shared here. Indeed it would not. I let the powers that be do that job. Another GOVERNMENT COVERUP! Hays
With a comment like that, I hope you dont have to take a DOT test anytime soon.
Now to the truth. It was a home made device in a pipe. With a fuse intact. It had spent the winter as I suspected under a drift of snow. An investigation is on-going.
Happy? No fusees, no torpedoes. No dumb Railroaders.
BAH!
Just as grown up as the chaps who suggested this was an over-reaction from railroaders. In fact, we have more fun.
RRKenNo dumb Railroaders.
I think Schlimmy believes rails yearn to be drunk. Schlimmy probably has never has a real job with any responsibility.
If I'm not a real RRer, why did I just spend the day riding around on a GP38, throwing switches and spotting cars?
Maybe I shrunk and was on a model train layout...
Touchy, touchy! Easy for you to pick on a poor kid who can't answer back in the other thread or a woman who's been dead for 40+ years. Real humor.
Are all railroaders as uptight and defensive as you?
Is Ed "Too Tall" Jones really too tall?
schlimmTouchy, touchy! Easy for you to pick on a poor kid who can't answer back in the other thread or a woman who's been dead for 40+ years. Real humor.Are all railroaders as uptight and defensive as you? Is Ed "Too Tall" Jones really too tall?
What other kid, Slim?
And we do Eleanor proud! I bet she'd laugh if she saw this thread.
Hey. what is with the crabbiness here? Sheeesh.
I guess there is a point to being serious but let's not start moralizing and all that. There are some things I do not understand about a lot of things but I'm not going to become a person who then acts like a curmudgeon either about it.
Saying stuff like this only makes the matter worse----not better
schlimmTouchy, touchy!
Hey Schlimmy...Touch this!
schlimm Touchy, touchy! Easy for you to pick on a poor kid who can't answer back in the other thread or a woman who's been dead for 40+ years. Real humor. Are all railroaders as uptight and defensive as you? Is Ed "Too Tall" Jones really too tall?
Whoa! Slow down here. mmmm---maybe he is looking to cause a ruckus to lock this thread?
No touching that without 3-step!
Eleanor Roosevelt would not touch Schlimmy.
Murray Eleanor Roosevelt would not touch Schlimmy.
Nor would she wave at him. Yeah, that's pretty low.
Not to take this off-topic, but look at RRKen's avatar.
It's like the heavenly tank car. Come back to judge all who are wicked...
zugmann Not to take this off-topic, but look at RRKen's avatar. It's like the heavenly tank car. Come back to judge all who are wicked...
But it contains evil.
What is life but a battle between good and evil?
And speaking about something tasty to eat...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgmbQ6tN_K0
Man.. even the threads have commercials.
RRKen zugmann Not to take this off-topic, but look at RRKen's avatar. It's like the heavenly tank car. Come back to judge all who are wicked... But it contains evil.
Beer?
zugmann Man.. even the threads have commercials.
AAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!!! ohno ohno!!
Time to move things back toward a railroad oriented forum, if you don't mind. I'm going to lock this thread so we can move on.-Norris user/moderator
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