IC E-units no More

[bnsfkline]

CN Repainted the IC E-units into CN's own colors. I think thats a real shame, I loved those IC E-units colors! Photos are here http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?ids=62203,62524,62420

in other news, NS 4610 has recived a FRESH coat of Southern Green/Cream/Gold! YAY FOR NS!

[METRO]

Too bad, those were beautiful units. Between this and the breaking up of Conrail's OCS we are starting to loose some of the real celebrated locomotives to mergers and new paint schemes.

[UPTRAIN]

That really sucks...damn CN!!!

[M636C]

I thought CN only repainted two units and left two as IC.

Have they repainted the others too?

Peter

[UPTRAIN]

I have no idea...it seems to me that I know less than you on this subject [:P].

[Anonymous]

Those engines are sick!

BTW somebody mentioned the CR OCS. I know the cars went to CSX and NS but the E8's got bought by the Juniata Terminal (two painted for Pennsy, the third is still in CR paint but will be painted for Erie soon).

[eolafan]

Is the glass half full or half empty? You can have two E-units in CN colors or have the units go to the scrapper, which would you prefer? My choice (although I agree the E's in CN are definetly ugly), is to have the E units in any color rather than not have them at all.

[Grinandbearit]

It appears that CN E9A 102 and 103 have been repainted in current CN colours and hopefully 100 and 101 are still in green black and gold from the 1950s. Sorry about the loss of the IC colour scheme but remember that these units were ex BN and CN never actually had E units on their roster.

[UPTRAIN]

There are pics of the 4610 on www.railpictures.net

[Anonymous]

Painting these units in CN's freight diesel paint scheme is so pathetically ugly.

They could have done right by the units with the old CN passenger scheme ...
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=57165

Or better yet, they could have left 2 perfectly good railroads alone ( IC & WC ).

[UPTRAIN]

They could have left evey road that they have merged with since 1999 ALONE to begine with...all 5 of em (I think).

[Grinandbearit]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Grinandbearit

It appears that CN E9A 102 and 103 have been repainted in current CN colours and hopefully 100 and 101 are still in green black and gold from the 1950s. Sorry about the loss of the IC colour scheme but remember that these units were ex BN and CN never actually had E units on their roster.

Oops! I got the numbers mixed up. CN has repainted the 1950s black,greenand gold to current colours. Unless somebody knows differently 100 and 101 should still be in IC colours. Sad to see a little bit of history disappear.

[Kozzie]

Here's what will probably be seen as a no-brainer Q, but can the crew tell me what railroad IC stands for? Was it swallowed up by CN?
I'm always intrigued by the various colour schemes...what colours were IC?

Thanks

Dave

[Anonymous]

Illinois Central. Yes it was taken by CN.

A few IC photos.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=63112
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=60984
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=59248

A so-so shot oc IC 100
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=36437

M.J.

[M636C]

Dave,

The last of the photos in the link in bnsfkline's original post (not there now!) showed the final IC passenger colours, orange and grey. Their freight units were originally black, then orange and white and later (as Illinois Central Gulf, having merged with Gulf Mobile &Ohio) light grey with orange cabs. The last scheme was very similar to the original V/Line colours (but was there first!).

Peter

[Kozzie]

[:)][;)] Thanks mojo628 That last photo of IC100 is quite reasonable. Does give me an idea of what it looked like. Very sharp, sort of corparoate look.... reminds of New York Central livery..what do you think?

Hey Peter! Your description is great - especially when you mentioned V/Line. Without weathering, the HO models of the V/Line coaches really looked too bright....

I think the IC logo looks excellent with the combining of the lower case letter I with the profile of a rail in the cricle of horizontal bands of white !

That railpictures website is very helpful.

Thanks again...[;)][:)]

Dave

[M636C]

The logo started off as two half rail sections together (with a vertical gap)representing "IC" with the dot offset to the left to be over the "I". With the GM&O merger, it became the present rail section with a central dot. The circle came with the reversion to the "Illinois Central" name, and is sometimes called the "Death Star" after the incomplete spacecraft in "Star Wars".

In the final passenger livery the pattern was the same as that on IC 100, but the lower colour was orange.

Peter

[Puckdropper]

The CN repaint does look nice, as did the original. Those schemes fit the covered wagon style nicely...

[bnsfkline]

wow, I hit a sensitive spot! Those IC E-units were wonderful, I saw them here in St. Louis and fell in love with them, well, not literally.

[AntonioFP45]

I'm just happy that these E-Units are not headed for the cutting torches!

Guys, I love this country very much and its railiroad history, but I can't for the life of me see what is so hideous about the CN paint scheme. These E-Units still look very sleek and sharp. Seems like it's more of a dislike of CN "taking over" the IC rather than the paint scheme itself. That's quite understandable, but we should be clear about this too.

I hope that the two Pennsy E-Units that went to Juanita stay together and are not altered.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

To Peter and David;
There was a different Illinois Central logo prior to the split rail. This was the original green diamond. The words ILLINOIS CENTRAL were black on a white band with green triangles above and below the band, forming a green diamond. Variations on this logo were used by Chicago Central & Pacific (the IC Iowa lines) and Paducah & Louisville.

The colors on the E-units were brown over orange with a yellow separation stripe. Central of Georgia had two E8A's (811 & 812) painted in these colors for the "City of Miami" pool.

Paul

[dabhid07]

I just glanced out my window about five minutes ago and saw 102 and 103 going by. I had never expected to see E-units in CN's paint scheme, so I didn't know what to think. Alas, my camera was downstairs..

So what's the point of doing up these units in CN colours? Excursions?

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH

To Peter and David;
There was a different Illinois Central logo prior to the split rail. This was the original green diamond. The words ILLINOIS CENTRAL were black on a white band with green triangles above and below the band, forming a green diamond. Variations on this logo were used by Chicago Central & Pacific (the IC Iowa lines) and Paducah & Louisville.

The colors on the E-units were brown over orange with a yellow separation stripe. Central of Georgia had two E8A's (811 & 812) painted in these colors for the "City of Miami" pool.

Paul

Thanks Paul [;)][:)] - I appreciate these details which give a picture of the history behind the name.
Do you think the lower case "i" similar to a rail profile in the circle is a good logo? I reckon it's quite clever. I like things that have more than just the obvious meaning - one sees the "i," then one realizes it could also be a cross section of rail. Quite nifty! [:)]

Dave

[fuzzybroken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dblstack

Or better yet, they could have left 2 perfectly good railroads alone ( IC & WC ).

That's why they bought 'em -- they were two perfectly good railroads.

What I really miss is the Chicago Central ... Red GPs, the green diamond logo... [:p]

-Mark
Milwaukee, WI
http://www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken

[BentnoseWillie]

QUOTE: So what's the point of doing up these units in CN colours? Excursions?

Nope. Executive trips and possibly shippers' specials.

CN has been singularly uninterested in excursions over their railroad for some time.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

David;

Back in my youth (before I discovered rugby), I used to ride the South Shore Line home from high school and would see Illinois Central trains pass while I was waiting for my train. The split rail logo and orange and white colors came out at that time and I thought that the split rail was quite imaginative and that the new colors were an improvement over solid black with some white trim.

Paul

[bnsfkline]

I think CN should have a paint scheme similar to the IC....and Say "Canadian National Gulf"

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH

David;

Back in my youth (before I discovered rugby), I used to ride the South Shore Line home from high school and would see Illinois Central trains pass while I was waiting for my train. The split rail logo and orange and white colors came out at that time and I thought that the split rail was quite imaginative and that the new colors were an improvement over solid black with some white trim.

Paul

I agree Paul [;)] - black is probably practical for not looking too dirty, but large areas of black without much of a contrast is pretty depressing [xx(]. The orange and white sounds better. I wonder if there would be pictures in the Railpictures website...I'll have a peek. heh heh [:)][:)]

Dave

[Anonymous]

Dave,

This site actually has quite a bit of info on IC/ICG and plenty of photos too.

http://www.icgphotos.com/

M.J.

[Kozzie]

Thanks mojo628, much quicker! Not so many pages to click through...

Cheers

Dave