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BNSF bought by Warren Buffet
Posted by greyhounds on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 6:40 AM

Just heard on WLS Chicago, Bershire Hathaway (SP?) is acquiring BNSF for $34 billion.

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Posted by htgguy on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 6:45 AM

Story here. Wow.

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Posted by eolafan on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 7:28 AM

I heard this story as well on WGN this morning.  I don't expect any immediate visible signs of change but as I live along the BNSF triple track "racetrack" in/out of Chicago it will be interesting to watch and see if there are any long term changes...but I expect not since BNSF is already a well run railroad.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 7:33 AM

htgguy

Story here. Wow.

There is an old saying that says:" You can tell the men from the boys by the price of their toys!" Whistling

 Looks loike Warren Buffet just bought the ulitmate boy's Christmas toy! 

          A Scale train layout!                          Only this is called   the BNSF!   

 Hope he finds a tree to put it under!      Way, Cool!Cool

 

 


 

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 7:42 AM

I thought he (Berkshire) already owned a substantial stake in BNSF.

Regardless - I don't think he's a railroader, which means he's looking for an investment, which speaks pretty highly of BNSF.  I don't think he's a "raider," so we can presume he's in it for the long haul, as well.

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Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 7:44 AM

Dear Mr. Buffet: As a fellow Nebraskan, I will be more than happy to watch over your rolling stock for you in the Star City!  And when I come to Omaha, can we do lunch?

Yours truly,

Mookie

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Posted by ndbprr on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 8:13 AM

Since my wife and I own Berkshire Hathaway stock I will be calling them to see if I can obtain a cab ride!

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Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 8:15 AM
$100 a share, about $24 over yesterday's close. Not too shabby if you owned any BNI!

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Posted by MarknLisa on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 8:16 AM

I hear he is also increasing his stake in Park Place and Marvin Gardens.

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Posted by Bruce Kelly on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 8:43 AM
Comes as no surprise. Back when we were asked to post what we thought were the top stories of 2008 (whether they were covered in Trains or not), my response was: 
 
Warren Buffett's 20% stake in BNSF should indeed make the cut. But don't forget to mention that BNSF's board on December 11 changed its corporate bylaws to allow stockholders with a 25% stake to call a special meeting. The previous requirement had been 51%. Interesting move, if you ask me.
 
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Posted by alphas on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:25 AM

It will be interesting to see what the ripple effects are in the railroad industry.   One thought that crosses my mind is whether or not this could lead to an agreement or merger to create a 2nd true transcontinental in North America.    The timing is also interesting because the US Senate is now starting its move on climate change legislation and the carbon tax and I would think that would be a major problem for the BN unless the midwest dems break ranks to stop it.  

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:33 AM

I paid $27 per share for my BNSF stock a few years ago. Dividends have been good and now it will be sold for $100 or traded for Berkshire Hathaway.

All railroad stocks are up today. Fine with me. I own stock in other RR's, too.  ...My broker said to divesify, but I said "No, railroads have become very efficient since deregulation in 1980, and the higher energy prices and highway congestion will increase rail market share. "

 

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Posted by BNSFwatcher on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:38 AM

I own a lot (for me) of BNI stock.  No, I didn't buy it at $116!  It will be interesting to see what develops.  Berkshire Hathaway also owns a lot of UP stock.  Shall we merge?  I hope not!  I am not an "Uncle Pete" fan, having "traveled" (read:  shunted into sidings while five freights pass, going in the same direction!) on their tracks on Amtrak.  There IS a law!  Fun is afoot!

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Posted by BNSFwatcher on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:45 AM

Park Place and Marvin Gardens, as well as Pacific, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Boardwalk are already owned by Donald Trump.  Mr. B. doesn't have a chance!  "The Donald Rules!".

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Posted by BNSFwatcher on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:52 AM

You, and I, should have bought BNI when it was at $16, not too long ago!  Hind-sight is wunnerful!

I'm now looking at RailAmerica (RA), down a few bucks from its IPO a few days ago.  Got nuthin' better to do!  It's only money....

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 10:08 AM

Since Warren Buffet enjoys a reputation as a relatively passive investor, this move will allow BNSF management the luxury of concentrating on maintaining and running the railroad without having to worry about corporate raiders.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 10:19 AM

oltmannd
  $100 a share, about $24 over yesterday's close. Not too shabby if you owned any BNI! 

Laugh  Just unbelievable - astounding   Who'd a ever thunk it would have come to this ?  Truly this is the big leagues.  That'll surprise - and cuts out - the Wall Street 'quick buck' Mergers & Acquistions crowd.  But ''They'll none of them be missed'' [from ''The Executioner's Song'' in the musical operatta The Mikado by Gilbert & Sullivan - how apt; pun not intended].

I do own a few shares - and I agree with Don's view above.  That'a the good news, for my IRA account . . . and my wife has been wanting to invest in Berkshire Hathaway for a few years, so now I suppose that gets accomplished, too !

Banged Head  The bad news is that now I'll likely lose out on the opportunity to buy more, as well as the expected price appreciation over the next few years as BNSF continues to profit from its franchise.

I agree with just about all of the posts above.  Notably, Warren is willing to pay that premium to put the transaction beyond any reasonable challenge or doubt of success - which also means he thinks even at that price, it's worthwhile.  What I find a little surprising is that he wanted to buy it all - not just a majority or super-majority to obtain and ensure control.  But he usually does that - if a deal is good, it's good all the way through - and he's been saying for the last few years that he's having trouble finding good places to put his money to good use.  Guess he finally came to understand and believe what a lot of us have been saying for many years.  Thumbs Up

Next shoes to drop ?  Buying anything else major in the railroad industry would have anti-trust concerns - except maybe Guilford/ Pan Am, which could use a kick like this, in my opinion.  Maybe he could expand his ownership of Norfolk Southern, and insulate them from each other under his holding company ?  But this morning he said no more railroads, and no more big deals for awhile.  See the transcript of Buffet's call into CNBC this morning at:

http://www.businessinsider.com/buffett-americas-best-years-lie-ahead-2009-11

An excerpt [EMPHASIS ADDED - PDN]

KERNEN: IF YOU HAD TO JUST -- THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS TO LOVE THE RAILS, I KNOW, WARREN.BUT WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE FUTURE THAT MAKES THE RAILS SO ATTRACTIVE? WE'VE GOT TO MOVE STUFF, I KNOW. IS IT BECAUSE THEY CAN DO IT IN  A COST EFFECTIVE WAY?

BUFFETTl THEY DO IT IN A COST EFFECTIVE WAY AND EXTRAORDINARILY ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY WAY. BNSF LAST YEAR MOVED ON AVERAGE IT MOVED A TON OF GOODS 470 MILES ON ONE GALLON OF DIESEL. IT RELEASES FAR FEWER POLLUTANTS INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. IT SAVES ENORMOUSLY ON ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND, YOU KNOW, IT DIMINISHES HIGHWAY CONGESTION. RAILS LAST YEAR MOVED 40% -- MORE THAN 40% OVER THE COUNTRY. THEY MOVED MORE THAN ALL THOSE TRUCKS JUST THE FOUR BIG RAILROADS IT'S A VERY EFFECTIVE WAY OF MOVING GOODS. I BASICALLY BELIEVE THIS COUNTRY WILL PROSPER AND YOU'LL HAVE MORE PEOPLE MOVING MORE GOODS TEN AND 20 AND 30 YEARS FROM NOWAND THE RAILS SHOULD BENEFIT. IT'S A BET ON THE COUNTRY BASICALLY.

I also wonder if Warren's long-term outlook and access to the Berkshire Hathaway piggy-bank might accelerate BNSF's capital expenditures and improvements - such as electrifying sooner ?  Note also that elsewhere in this transcript, Buffet noted that his utilities haven't been much affected by the recession.  And per other sources, one of Buffet's heir apparents is Don Sokol, Chairman of MidAmerican Energy Holdings Co., which is Berkshire's energy division.  See the following Aug. 5, 2009 article from Bloomberg News:

Buffett Fuels Succession Speculation by Tapping Sokol (Update2)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=axaWO.f7GdmQ

Now, if Warren would do something else with the 'Berkshire' portion of the compoany's name - like 'adopt' and sponsor or run one as an icon or 'mascot' on BNSF - none of whose constituent lines ever had a major fleet of 2-8-4's, I believe - then we'll be all set . . . Smile,Wink, & Grin

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 10:28 AM

BNSFwatcher
  Park Place and Marvin Gardens, as well as Pacific, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Boardwalk are already owned by Donald Trump.  Mr. B. doesn't have a chance!  "The Donald Rules!". 

The only places 'The Donald' rules - and deserves to live - are his own dunghills.  How many bankruptcies have he and his entities been through ?  Mischief 

It's a travesty to mention him in the same paragraph with Warren Buffett.  Buffet's pocket change could buy Trump's entire empire, with some left over. 

Trump, his ego, and his toupee refuse to acknowledge, accept, or work within reality, and his track record for his investors is miserable, if not scandalous.  Buffett's been pretty much the opposite for many years.  My money's on Warren - but Trump, I just ignore - turn the page or change the channel, as appropriate.

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Posted by Victrola1 on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:03 AM

 Like the barons of a century ago, is a private railroad car in the offing for the owner?

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Posted by clarkfork on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:37 AM

Maybe passenger trains with buffet cars.

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Posted by Ulrich on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:50 AM

how does that work for the other shareholders...shareholders no more? What if I don't want to sell my shares?

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Posted by Railway Man on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 12:00 PM

Ulrich

how does that work for the other shareholders...shareholders no more? What if I don't want to sell my shares?

 

Your shares are cancelled, and the cash value goes into an escrow account for you.  You can collect the money if you wish.

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Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 12:04 PM

Keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.  So far it has all been pretty positive. So what's the down side of all this?  I'm sure there must be be a wrinkle in all this "good news". 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 12:14 PM
The only downside I've heard about so far is the man's reportedly heavy-handed dealing with organized labor. I'm not so sure that that's even an issue, since the railroads usually join together for negotiations (by coincidence, the UTU just publicized its Section 6 notices for the next contract today).

Meanwhile, on a day when the Dow Industrial average is somewhat down, the Transportation index has taken off--with all railroad stocks advancing markedly. BNSF has gained over 20 bucks a share, and UP is up over three dollars. The other railroads, not as much--but still all up by over a dollar a share.

SJ, I guess for you the biggest downside would be that BNSF's headquarters are supposed to remain in Fort Worth.

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Posted by Ulrich on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 12:30 PM

I like Buffett..he's a smart man and a likeable individual. However, there is a downside for some of us smaller shareholders... This transaction highlights how little control we actually have over our own property. I would really be concerned if my retirement savings were riding on the fortunes of BNSF...following Buffett's own advice..invest in a FEW good businesses (like BNSF)...But what if i'm 65 and I'm suddely kicked out into an escrow account?

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Posted by Victrola1 on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 12:40 PM

 The prophecies given as why to buy may stand a better chance of coming true. Money is power and with the money to buy BNSF, decision makers do not dismiss what the new owner advocates.

 

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Posted by CNW534 on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 12:44 PM

Could be worse.  BNSF could have been bought by Rupert Murdoch.  Your division supervisor could have been Bill O'Reilly.

You should see what an SD70ACe does to a dead fish!
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Posted by AgentKid on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 12:46 PM

Quote from the article on TRAINS Newswire:

"There aren't a lot of people that can write $44 billion checks anymore,"

Oh, yeah!Wow!!

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 12:48 PM

Warren Buffet said the deal is “all-in wager on the economic future of the United States.”

However, BNSF hauls vast amounts of imported products from ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach.

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Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 12:48 PM
BNSFwatcher

Park Place and Marvin Gardens, as well as Pacific, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Boardwalk are already owned by Donald Trump.  Mr. B. doesn't have a chance!  "The Donald Rules!".

Isn't he bankrupt (again)?

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