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Posted by Mookie on Friday, December 17, 2004 6:47 AM
I....made coffee this morning!

Tired - went to bed 7:30 pm - eyes unraveled like bad window shades at 2:30 am....
Do you know how awful TV is at 3 am?

So if you want breakfast - you will have to make your own. And clean up after yourself. I wore myself out on the coffee!

Mook

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Posted by M636C on Friday, December 17, 2004 2:32 AM
Guys,

I thought I'd get my say in the Naval Ship Design stakes while you are all asleep.

The Major Surface Vessel group from our Defence Materiel Office held their Christmas Party today and for reasons unknown to me I ended up with a group of serious drinkers discussing the acquisition of the RAN FFGs (we were all involved one way or another). I'm on leave until the New Year now!

Dan, I'm pleased that the USN has maintained the minimum of twelve carriers, and that the fleet is around when we need it. I was able to check out some of the older carriers as they passed through Sydney in recent years.

I don't think that Canada needs a Carrier fleet. If you need one in each ocean, you had better have at least four, because you can't program ahead when you need one.

A couple of years ago, I saw some details of a Canadian design of multipurpose ship, called an "ALSC" which was a combined fleet oiler and amphibious transport. This was the sort of ship that Canada can both afford and make good use of when responding to international emergencies, natural and political, of the kind that are becoming more common - sadly. I paid a lot of attention to this when working on a similar design for the Australian Navy, which we called a "Multi-Role Auxiliary'. The RAN will be getting an amphibious ship, probably of European design, as a result of these studies.

I don't think we should be too hard on the Brits, either. The flooding and subsequent fire on HMCS Chicitoumi (apologies if I got the spelling wrong) was a combination of two problems both of which were very unusual. Clearly the failure of main power cables resulted from a pre-existing insulation deficiency, but there is no evidence that the Royal Navy was aware of this problem when the boat was transferred to the Canadian Armed Forces. That the boat survived with such a small loss of life is a tribute to the Canadian sailors involved.

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Posted by miniwyo on Friday, December 17, 2004 12:19 AM
dharomn - Do you really think that the USAF will replace the F-16 this soon? It is one of the best fighters that we have ever had. What types of things does the F-35 have over the F-16? And would the USN / USMC really spend the money to replace the FA-18 when they are all farley new? I mean correct me if i am wrong but both of theese fighters still have a long life ahead of them. I mean look at the B-52 it is the oldest aircraft type still in active duty. I think the F-16 and F-18 have the potential to be used for at least another 20 years.

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:19 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Navy eh? How many carriers does the U.S have right now and which class are they? Also interested in price if possible.

Trying to figure out what Canada should buy and hopefully nothing used from the U.K


Okay ......there will be 13 when the USS George H.W. Bush is completed.

They cost about $4.5 billion each new.


Nimitz Class (nuclear powered):
USS Nimitz (CVN 68), San Diego, Calif.
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69), Newport News, Va.
USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), Bremerton, Wash.
USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71), Norfolk, Va.
USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72), Everett, Wash.
USS George Washington (CVN 73), Norfolk, Va.
USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74), Bremerton, Wash.
USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75), Norfolk, Va.
USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), San Diego, Calif.
George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) (keel laying 6 Sept 2003)

Enterprise Class (nuclear powered):
USS Enterprise (CVN 65), Norfolk, Va.

Kennedy Class (conventional powered):
USS John F. Kennedy

Kitty Hawk Class (conventional powered):
USS Kitty Hawk


They also cost about a million dollars a day, fully loaded and manned to run underway. Are you sure Canada really has the need for deployed power projection to support it's national interests? They seem to be able to use submarines effectively to scare fishermen...


Thankyou for the information. To answer your question, yes. We should have at least 2 (one at the Pacific and one at the Atlantic Ocean) for transporting and patroling when we are asked by the U.N and NATO to help with some peace keeping etc. We like the U.S but we shouldn't be a burden to them for certain military needs. That's my opinion anyways. I also am interested in the F-20 Raptors-looks pretty impressive.

BTW; What happened to the U.S.S Constellation?


The Connie was decomissioned in 2003 in San Diego. She is now sitting in the reserve fleet at Bremerton, Washington

The F/A-22 Raptor is supposed to be the USAF replacement for the F15C and E models. The Navy is going the route of the F-18E/F Super Hornet as a replacement for the F14, early models of the F18C, and EA-6B. The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is supposed to fill the light strike fighter role of USN / USMC F-18Cs, USMC AV-8Bs, and USAF F16s.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 16, 2004 9:59 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

Krispy Kreme's for breakfast today!!

LC


I was thinking more like some of Bro Carl's V-8......with a little tobascco, some garlic, a dash of worsteshire and lemon juice, some crushed black pepper and a couple of cocktail onions and garlic stuffed olives...

......oh and some Absolut....

Ditto. [:D] YEAH BABY. [8D] Shall I pour ??????
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Posted by Junctionfan on Thursday, December 16, 2004 7:11 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Navy eh? How many carriers does the U.S have right now and which class are they? Also interested in price if possible.

Trying to figure out what Canada should buy and hopefully nothing used from the U.K


Okay ......there will be 13 when the USS George H.W. Bush is completed.

They cost about $4.5 billion each new.


Nimitz Class (nuclear powered):
USS Nimitz (CVN 68), San Diego, Calif.
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69), Newport News, Va.
USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), Bremerton, Wash.
USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71), Norfolk, Va.
USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72), Everett, Wash.
USS George Washington (CVN 73), Norfolk, Va.
USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74), Bremerton, Wash.
USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75), Norfolk, Va.
USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), San Diego, Calif.
George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) (keel laying 6 Sept 2003)

Enterprise Class (nuclear powered):
USS Enterprise (CVN 65), Norfolk, Va.

Kennedy Class (conventional powered):
USS John F. Kennedy

Kitty Hawk Class (conventional powered):
USS Kitty Hawk


They also cost about a million dollars a day, fully loaded and manned to run underway. Are you sure Canada really has the need for deployed power projection to support it's national interests? They seem to be able to use submarines effectively to scare fishermen...


Thankyou for the information. To answer your question, yes. We should have at least 2 (one at the Pacific and one at the Atlantic Ocean) for transporting and patroling when we are asked by the U.N and NATO to help with some peace keeping etc. We like the U.S but we shouldn't be a burden to them for certain military needs. That's my opinion anyways. I also am interested in the F-20 Raptors-looks pretty impressive.

BTW; What happened to the U.S.S Constellation?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 16, 2004 5:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

Well, THAT thread is gone.

Pass the Cheerios.


Thankfully yes. UUH,after all that,you sure you want Cheerios??[:D]


Relax, have a doughnut...

KK glazed are awesome when warm...

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Posted by ajmiller on Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:57 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

QUOTE: Originally posted by Clevelandrocks

Help me out here....Not too long ago I could go to restaurant and when I got Pancakes I got a stack 5 high..Today I got 2....In the Old Days I got aplate full of Greasy Home fries with a Dish Of Butter... These days a small saucer and those portion packs of butter. Whats wrong here is that Americans are so obssesed with Lite and Dieting that those of us who like to smke cigars in bars and eat at real Greasy Spoon are left Outside. Take the Oasis Diner in Burlington VT for Instance. Now that Diners are chic what once was the chapest place in town will set you back 20.00 for breakfast.[:)]
Honey - there is nothing I would like better than to help you out!

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Posted by jeaton on Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:41 PM
Too bad. Cinder_dick just picked up a client.

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Posted by JoeKoh on Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:39 PM
CW
im sure hes up to something or maybe the couch ate him along with the remotes some change and last weeks pizza.
stay safe
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Posted by jeaton on Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:38 PM
Dan

If JF wants to buy a couple three of those suckers for Canada, let's deal. We'll keep you on the payroll, but the rest of the cash can go to Amtrak, except we can set Mookie up for a nice refund.

Wait a minute. Cats don't pay taxes!!!

Jay

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Posted by cherokee woman on Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:04 PM
And speaking of Kevin, has anyone seen our friend Kevin who lives up in
Montreal, Quebec, Canada?!?! Have not seen anything from him on the
forums for awhile.
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Posted by cherokee woman on Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:02 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by oskar

Dinner for tommow is a pizza with anything you want OR a party because tommow is my last day of school until january






kevin


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and onion, and plenty of CHEESE on it.[8D][^]
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Posted by oskar on Thursday, December 16, 2004 2:51 PM
Dinner for tommow is a pizza with anything you want OR a party because tommow is my last day of school until january




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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:07 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Navy eh? How many carriers does the U.S have right now and which class are they? Also interested in price if possible.

Trying to figure out what Canada should buy and hopefully nothing used from the U.K


Okay ......there will be 13 when the USS George H.W. Bush is completed.

They cost about $4.5 billion each new.


Nimitz Class (nuclear powered):
USS Nimitz (CVN 68), San Diego, Calif.
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69), Newport News, Va.
USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), Bremerton, Wash.
USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71), Norfolk, Va.
USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72), Everett, Wash.
USS George Washington (CVN 73), Norfolk, Va.
USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74), Bremerton, Wash.
USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75), Norfolk, Va.
USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), San Diego, Calif.
George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) (keel laying 6 Sept 2003)

Enterprise Class (nuclear powered):
USS Enterprise (CVN 65), Norfolk, Va.

Kennedy Class (conventional powered):
USS John F. Kennedy

Kitty Hawk Class (conventional powered):
USS Kitty Hawk


They also cost about a million dollars a day, fully loaded and manned to run underway. Are you sure Canada really has the need for deployed power projection to support it's national interests? They seem to be able to use submarines effectively to scare fishermen...
That sound you hear is Mookie strangling on her tax dollars!

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:56 PM
M-m-m--the barbecued chicken was good!

I just got great news this morning--Nora's coming to visit! I hope to spend Saturday morning with her (and Rick, if things work out right). No kids this trip. We'll probably hit LaGrange and Elmhurst, so heads up, folks, and introduce yourselves if you can!

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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

QUOTE: Originally posted by Clevelandrocks

Help me out here....Not too long ago I could go to restaurant and when I got Pancakes I got a stack 5 high..Today I got 2....In the Old Days I got aplate full of Greasy Home fries with a Dish Of Butter... These days a small saucer and those portion packs of butter. Whats wrong here is that Americans are so obssesed with Lite and Dieting that those of us who like to smke cigars in bars and eat at real Greasy Spoon are left Outside. Take the Oasis Diner in Burlington VT for Instance. Now that Diners are chic what once was the chapest place in town will set you back 20.00 for breakfast.[:)]
Honey - there is nothing I would like better than to help you out!

Mook...

Out the door? [:D]
You got it, Toyota!

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:02 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Navy eh? How many carriers does the U.S have right now and which class are they? Also interested in price if possible.

Trying to figure out what Canada should buy and hopefully nothing used from the U.K


Okay ......there will be 13 when the USS George H.W. Bush is completed.

They cost about $4.5 billion each new.


Nimitz Class (nuclear powered):
USS Nimitz (CVN 68), San Diego, Calif.
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69), Newport News, Va.
USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), Bremerton, Wash.
USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71), Norfolk, Va.
USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72), Everett, Wash.
USS George Washington (CVN 73), Norfolk, Va.
USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74), Bremerton, Wash.
USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75), Norfolk, Va.
USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), San Diego, Calif.
George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) (keel laying 6 Sept 2003)

Enterprise Class (nuclear powered):
USS Enterprise (CVN 65), Norfolk, Va.

Kennedy Class (conventional powered):
USS John F. Kennedy

Kitty Hawk Class (conventional powered):
USS Kitty Hawk


They also cost about a million dollars a day, fully loaded and manned to run underway. Are you sure Canada really has the need for deployed power projection to support it's national interests? They seem to be able to use submarines effectively to scare fishermen...
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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:01 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Dan - why are you remodeling, when you are moving to Nebraska in a couple of years?

Bring the wife and the house. We have lots of room! And we can even do a sort of drawl for you! Like - Howdy! Except we keep putting the Doody with it!

Moo


Let's see.......umm California real estate is beyond crazy....so since we were going to end up with too small of a house anyway, we got an older one that had a yard, and a little, little space between neighbors....not Nebraska space, but space by CA standards, so at least when I stretch my arms in the morning I don't break the neighbors window. The house was not in great shape, which is why we could afford it, and aside from cosmetics..paint, trim, carpet and tile that had to go in, I had to replace every electrical fixture and all but one water fixture (and that one will be gone soon). Then my wife wanted to expand the patio a bit and enclose the front porch/stoop whatever it is to make an entry way thingy with a security gate...then we just a had sunroom addition put on to increase the space a bit off the kitchen which required removal of two sliders and two windows, plus drywall work and refininshing old stucco so it doesn't rip the skin off. She wanted cabinets put in, and once that is done tile goes in and then there new countertops........

why am I remodelling...because sex on a semi-regular basis is good. Sleeping on a futon in the family room is bad.
Are you and Houston Ed married to the same lady?

I have been in California (Southern) and if you did that much work on a house, it must be at least 4 stories high. That is the only place you can go there!

Move the futon next to the bed!

Moo

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Posted by zardoz on Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:58 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

QUOTE: Originally posted by Clevelandrocks

Help me out here....Not too long ago I could go to restaurant and when I got Pancakes I got a stack 5 high..Today I got 2....In the Old Days I got aplate full of Greasy Home fries with a Dish Of Butter... These days a small saucer and those portion packs of butter. Whats wrong here is that Americans are so obssesed with Lite and Dieting that those of us who like to smke cigars in bars and eat at real Greasy Spoon are left Outside. Take the Oasis Diner in Burlington VT for Instance. Now that Diners are chic what once was the chapest place in town will set you back 20.00 for breakfast.[:)]
Honey - there is nothing I would like better than to help you out!

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Out the door? [:D]
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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:56 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Clevelandrocks

Help me out here....Not too long ago I could go to restaurant and when I got Pancakes I got a stack 5 high..Today I got 2....In the Old Days I got aplate full of Greasy Home fries with a Dish Of Butter... These days a small saucer and those portion packs of butter. Whats wrong here is that Americans are so obssesed with Lite and Dieting that those of us who like to smke cigars in bars and eat at real Greasy Spoon are left Outside. Take the Oasis Diner in Burlington VT for Instance. Now that Diners are chic what once was the chapest place in town will set you back 20.00 for breakfast.[:)]
Honey - there is nothing I would like better than to help you out!

Mook...

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:47 AM
Help me out here....Not too long ago I could go to restaurant and when I got Pancakes I got a stack 5 high..Today I got 2....In the Old Days I got aplate full of Greasy Home fries with a Dish Of Butter... These days a small saucer and those portion packs of butter. Whats wrong here is that Americans are so obssesed with Lite and Dieting that those of us who like to smke cigars in bars and eat at real Greasy Spoon are left Outside. Take the Oasis Diner in Burlington VT for Instance. Now that Diners are chic what once was the chapest place in town will set you back 20.00 for breakfast.[:)]
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Posted by Junctionfan on Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:43 AM
Navy eh? How many carriers does the U.S have right now and which class are they? Also interested in price if possible.

Trying to figure out what Canada should buy and hopefully nothing used from the U.K
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:42 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Dan - why are you remodeling, when you are moving to Nebraska in a couple of years?

Bring the wife and the house. We have lots of room! And we can even do a sort of drawl for you! Like - Howdy! Except we keep putting the Doody with it!

Moo


Let's see.......umm California real estate is beyond crazy....so since we were going to end up with too small of a house anyway, we got an older one that had a yard, and a little, little space between neighbors....not Nebraska space, but space by CA standards, so at least when I stretch my arms in the morning I don't break the neighbors window. The house was not in great shape, which is why we could afford it, and aside from cosmetics..paint, trim, carpet and tile that had to go in, I had to replace every electrical fixture and all but one water fixture (and that one will be gone soon). Then my wife wanted to expand the patio a bit and enclose the front porch/stoop whatever it is to make an entry way thingy with a security gate...then we just a had sunroom addition put on to increase the space a bit off the kitchen which required removal of two sliders and two windows, plus drywall work and refininshing old stucco so it doesn't rip the skin off. She wanted cabinets put in, and once that is done tile goes in and then there new countertops........

why am I remodelling...because sex on a semi-regular basis is good. Sleeping on a futon in the family room is bad.
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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:28 AM
Dan - why are you remodeling, when you are moving to Nebraska in a couple of years?

Bring the wife and the house. We have lots of room! And we can even do a sort of drawl for you! Like - Howdy! Except we keep putting the Doody with it!

Moo

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:05 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton

Dan

And now you know-the only thing that works all the time in an old house is the owner.

Jay


Oh no....my wife works too.....she dreams up all the ideas that keep me busy...

....I barely have time for this Navy stuff. By the time I'm done, I'm going to just go ahead and put in for my contractor's license.

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Posted by jeaton on Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:48 AM
Dan

And now you know-the only thing that works all the time in an old house is the owner.

Jay

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:01 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cherokee woman

Dan, do you have a hangover this morning, or what?!



No hangover.....the only hanging I was doing last night was cabinets, which ranks right up there in fun with doing drywall and trying to kill myslef with household wiring....the best part of doing remodeling work is that not only do you have the project you're working on, but you get to uncover 30 years of half-*** prior work, band aid patches, and a complete disregard for common sense and building codes...

.......but why waste perfectly good V-8 and drink it without vodka....

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Posted by ajmiller on Thursday, December 16, 2004 9:24 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

Well, THAT thread is gone.

Pass the Cheerios.


Thankfully yes. UUH,after all that,you sure you want Cheerios??[:D]


It's part of a balanced breakfast--as long as you can see where it comes from. Besides, H.C. will have to assume a new identity to get near my Cheerios since his account is locked. [8D]
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Posted by locomutt on Thursday, December 16, 2004 9:16 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

Well, THAT thread is gone.

Pass the Cheerios.


Thankfully yes. UUH,after all that,you sure you want Cheerios??[:D]

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