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Is This All?
Posted by al-in-chgo on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 2:41 PM

Gen. Disc. is typically such a magnet for posts and new topics, but it has seemed a little slow to me for the last week or so.

SOOoooo....what's everybody doing?  Planting taters?  Dyeing eggs?  Last-minute income tax stuff? 

Sign me curious,

 

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Posted by Modelcar on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 2:45 PM

Mowing yard.............But, I have wondered the same thing....Where is everyone, and why so quiet in here.....?

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Posted by Railway Man on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 2:50 PM

Lack of political diatribe.  A good thing, IMO.

Also, Murphy Siding has been below-quota on his questions.  One of those is good for about 100 posts, on average.

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Posted by selector on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 2:54 PM

Al, the forum has been down, so I move on when I see it that way.  I have things growing in the garden that shouldn't be, so I was out there with a mini-flame thrower burning flowers off the more numerous threats in my fenced-off garden.  I have rabbits around in numbers, so I must install a run of 2' high chicken wire around the bottom of the much coarser fencing...otherwise they'll get in and do the cackle and dance....you know what I mean.

My Dad returns from overwintering in AZ this month, and I have always whacked his lawns before he gets home.  It is a real treat, let me tell you.  Wife and I did much of that yesterday. Ashamed

Moved a hydrangea just an hour ago.  The deer keep stripping it and it won't thrive out in the open, so I had to relocate it into the garden.  Soaker hoses had to be pulled up from their coiled state inside my raised beds because wife loaded the beds up with compost material that must now be dug into the soil.  I also did that today.

No rest for the wicked.

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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 3:03 PM

.....Continue to soar with the turkeys here.

(I wanted so bad to ask after one of RWM's posts to the geophysical bubba if what he meant by "surveyor" was a juggie with knotted rope and a handheld GPS unit)

 Have to go back to dealing with Brand X surveyor who cannot capiche "Degree of Curve"Sigh

BlindfoldBlindfoldBlindfold

ps - AL, keep working on BLUFFS LINEWink

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Posted by videomaker on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 3:53 PM

al-in-chgo

Gen. Disc. is typically such a magnet for posts and new topics, but it has seemed a little slow to me for the last week or so.

SOOoooo....what's everybody doing?  Planting taters?  Dyeing eggs?  Last-minute income tax stuff? 

Sign me curious,

 

 Hello Al !

  Well, down here its beenThumbs Down zilch for train news,theyre all running at night so you can see'm LOL !

I am like you tho,it does seem slow on the forums,must be the high water keep'n evevrbody busy up your way...

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Posted by MP173 on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 4:08 PM

Since the economy is taken a bite out of my workload, I have been somewhat active on the forum today, stirring up political controversy on the Amtrak BoD and buggin the heck out of RWM on the finer points about RTC simulator software.

Also found time to workout at the YMCA, bake bread, dinner is in the oven, write a couple of small orders, listen to the train scanner, a couple of loads of laundry, 42 emails, wrote a couple reports to the boss, and made my last mortgage payment.  Also went to watch CN 392 pass thru town.  I was stunned at the size of the train...only 59 cars.  The last time I saw 392 was last fall and it was loaded down with 125+ cars. 

Lets hope that stimulus $$$$ kicks in soon.

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Posted by zugmann on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 4:12 PM

Back on the extra road list... but even though we have over 2 dozen people furloughed at our terminal, our list has been running out every day and we've been pretty much working on our rest.

 

 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 4:24 PM
No real change here--just got back from a road trip yesterday evening and have been playing catch-up ever since. Haven't seen too much interesting on the Forum here, so haven't posted as much (kind of feeds on itself, doesn't it?). Probably good for me, as I've seen a lot of interesting freight cars lately, and have to either research or document them.

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Posted by AgentKid on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 4:36 PM

If we are mentioning names we haven't seen in a while I noticed I hadn't seen a post by Carl in a while, or am I just reading the wrong threads?

Actually, I have noticed a downturn since Christmas in topics on other, Canadian based, RR hobby forums as well. Or, it could be that I am just going through a period where the topics that appear don't interest me directly, as opposed to a lack of topics. Over the last decade of following forums this isn't the first downturn I've seen.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 5:08 PM

mudchicken

.....Continue to soar with the turkeys here.

(I wanted so bad to ask after one of RWM's posts to the geophysical bubba if what he meant by "surveyor" was a juggie with knotted rope and a handheld GPS unit)

 Have to go back to dealing with Brand X surveyor who cannot capiche "Degree of Curve"Sigh

BlindfoldBlindfoldBlindfold 

From the "Urban Dictionary" at:  http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=juggie 
 
2.   Juggie
 
A Juggie is a doodlebugger -- someone who works on a seismograph crew (oil exploration). The term "Juggie" or "Jughead" has been used since the late 1940s in the United States.
Juggies meet every year in Afton, Wyoming for the Annual Juggie Convention (near Jackson Hole). A Juggie may work on a portable (helicopter) crew, a land crew or marine crew.
 
Re: "Brand X surveyor who cannot capiche "Degree of Curve" -
 
Not even the simple highway version ?  Would he understand Radius - like in the streets, corner curbs, and traffic islands that are probably the only things he's calc'd. or staked that had a curve in them ?  Confused 
 
[I know, you're probably not being literal here - then again, I too have met some . . . ]
 
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Posted by trainfan1221 on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 5:39 PM

I have to admit, I don't get on all the time but even I noticed a little less activity here. In my case its not a bad thing, I miss less stuff this way.

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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 6:01 PM

(1) I've met just a few too many geophysical/seismograph crews "who be tellin' ya they'se surveyin' "....and they have no clue what they're doing, but they can do it by rote all day for peanuts. I often wonder what the precision of that product looks like. (I escorted a geophysical crew over some of my railroad's branchlines for months)

(2) Brand X surveyor understand radius in feet, but seems to think radius as related to degree of curvature is some kind of special code that does not apply to him (tried to tell a railraod official it was some form of spiral delta that doesn't work so he can pull out the ole "three points on a curve" solution and really screw things up. Point of contention is that GLO came through first with the railroad about a year behind with patent applications showing up 1-4 years later followed by the first platted subdivisions (really weak in the dimensions department as old plats tend to be) another 10 years later. Somehow the railroad's filed survey doesn't count.Banged Head Brand X surveyor musta gotten a license by accident? Why does he still have one (especially after failing to file a 10+ year old plat with the county C&R as required by statute)?Banged Head

Waiting to hear the old cartoon character recite "It's the law of the west!" (Droopy/Tom & Jerry HB)

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mudchicken

.....Continue to soar with the turkeys here.

(I wanted so bad to ask after one of RWM's posts to the geophysical bubba if what he meant by "surveyor" was a juggie with knotted rope and a handheld GPS unit)

 Have to go back to dealing with Brand X surveyor who cannot capiche "Degree of Curve"Sigh

BlindfoldBlindfoldBlindfold 

From the "Urban Dictionary" at:  http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=juggie 
 
2.   Juggie
 
A Juggie is a doodlebugger -- someone who works on a seismograph crew (oil exploration). The term "Juggie" or "Jughead" has been used since the late 1940s in the United States.
Juggies meet every year in Afton, Wyoming for the Annual Juggie Convention (near Jackson Hole). A Juggie may work on a portable (helicopter) crew, a land crew or marine crew.
 
Re: "Brand X surveyor who cannot capiche "Degree of Curve" -
 
Not even the simple highway version ?  Would he understand Radius - like in the streets, corner curbs, and traffic islands that are probably the only things he's calc'd. or staked that had a curve in them ?  Confused 
 
[I know, you're probably not being literal here - then again, I too have met some . . . ]
 
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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 6:30 PM

Forums - all of them.  Have an ebb and flow in their levels of activity, this forum is just going through an ebb period....the flow will come whenever it is supposed to.

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Posted by ChuckCobleigh on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 6:43 PM
mudchicken

Banged Head Brand X surveyor musta gotten a license by accident? Why does he still have one (especially after failing to file a 10+ year old plat with the county C&R as required by statute)?Banged Head

Geeze, mud, just this last week I perused our BORPELS website here in the sunny state for the latest enforcement actions, and it seemed like all they were doing was smacking RLS guys for not filing the records of survey and corner records with the county surveyors. Brand X would fit in real well out here. I think the average fine was $1,000, with one persistent miscreant being nicked for $2,500 and suspended for a year. I am proud to say that I found only one EE on the listing, who engaged in exam subversion.

It is interesting, though, how some folks can't get a grip on some pretty easy concepts. Heck, even an aging electron pusher like myself can figure out degree of curvature and (based on some comments you made on the forum a few years ago) can see how RR surveyors make the staking of a curve a relatively straightforward process, quite in line (you should pardon the expression) with KISS. The counterintuitive thought I have is that to keep things simple, you have to fully appreciate the complexity.

I'd give some personal examples, but people are trying to stay awake here.

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 6:50 PM

ChuckCobleigh
mudchicken

Banged Head Brand X surveyor musta gotten a license by accident? Why does he still have one (especially after failing to file a 10+ year old plat with the county C&R as required by statute)?Banged Head

Geeze, mud, just this last week I perused our BORPELS website here in the sunny state for the latest enforcement actions, and it seemed like all they were doing was smacking RLS guys for not filing the records of survey and corner records with the county surveyors. Brand X would fit in real well out here. I think the average fine was $1,000, with one persistent miscreant being nicked for $2,500 and suspended for a year. I am proud to say that I found only one EE on the listing, who engaged in exam subversion.

It is interesting, though, how some folks can't get a grip on some pretty easy concepts. Heck, even an aging electron pusher like myself can figure out degree of curvature and (based on some comments you made on the forum a few years ago) can see how RR surveyors make the staking of a curve a relatively straightforward process, quite in line (you should pardon the expression) with KISS. The counterintuitive thought I have is that to keep things simple, you have to fully appreciate the complexity.

I'd give some personal examples, but people are trying to stay awake here.

 

Okay, I understand RR and KISS, but do you guys have a glossary of abbreviations and acronyms into English? 

 

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Posted by videomaker on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 6:59 PM

Okay, I understand RR and KISS, but do you guys have a glossary of abbreviations and acronyms into English? 

huh, I was wondering that same thing when I read his first post?  Confused

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 7:41 PM

GLO = General Land Office

County C & R office = County Clerk & Recorder - apparently one and the same official, unlike the 2 or 3 we have here in Penna.; custodian of official public records for land ownership and court filings, etc.

 BORPELS stands for Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors (California)

RLS = Registered Land Surveyor, in this context (could also be Rail Load Simulator or Renaissance Law Society . . . nawwww)

EE = Electrical Engineer (old); could also be Electronic Engineer (modern)

I think that's all of them . . . ?

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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 7:45 PM

Paul - You forgot "Mudchicken"....Shy

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Posted by ChuckCobleigh on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:24 PM
Mookie

Paul - You forgot "Mudchicken"....Shy

LOL! Nobody can forget mudchicken, of course, but maybe it's better to be a mudchicken than a mud hop.

Google mudchicken though and you find some interesting recipes. Garlic...lots of garlic.

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Posted by ChuckCobleigh on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:32 PM
Paul_D_North_Jr

EE = Electrical Engineer (old)

- PDN.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 10:20 PM

     Working.  Spring is our *do a lot of work that produces nothing* season.  But,  we're in the lumber business, and business (for us, at least) is good.  This forum is my escape from reality/ escape from insanity.  Lately, a lot of reality has ganged up on me all at once.  That doesn't help the sanity part of the equation.Tongue

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 10:31 PM

AgentKid

. Or, it could be that I am just going through a period where the topics that appear don't interest me directly, as opposed to a lack of topics.AgentKid

    That brings up an interesting point.  What topics interest you directly?  It's interesting, to me at least, the varying number of topics that do make their way to this forum.  It must show the diverse crowd we run among here.

     The topics I normally find interesting have to do with railroad history,construction, geography, books (I'm a reader) , and the business side of how railroads were/are run.  Sometimes, though,  I find myself engrossed in something way off from what I would normally be interested in reading about.  Two threads that come to mind are the ginormous British Railway Operations thread, and the one about some abandoned ROW in Pennsylvania that provided a route for a turnpike.  Variety is the spice of life.   Go figure.

      What type of threads interest you?

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:09 PM

Paul_D_North_Jr

GLO = General Land Office

County C & R office = County Clerk & Recorder - apparently one and the same official, unlike the 2 or 3 we have here in Penna.; custodian of official public records for land ownership and court filings, etc.

 BORPELS stands for Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors (California)

RLS = Registered Land Surveyor, in this context (could also be Rail Load Simulator or Renaissance Law Society . . . nawwww)

EE = Electrical Engineer (old); could also be Electronic Engineer (modern)

I think that's all of them . . . ?

- PDN.

Thanks, Paul.  Now it makes a lot more sense to me!  -  al

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:14 PM

Murphy Siding

AgentKid

. Or, it could be that I am just going through a period where the topics that appear don't interest me directly, as opposed to a lack of topics.AgentKid

    That brings up an interesting point.  What topics interest you directly?  It's interesting, to me at least, the varying number of topics that do make their way to this forum.  It must show the diverse crowd we run among here.

     The topics I normally find interesting have to do with railroad history,construction, geography, books (I'm a reader) , and the business side of how railroads were/are run.  Sometimes, though,  I find myself engrossed in something way off from what I would normally be interested in reading about.  Two threads that come to mind are the ginormous British Railway Operations thread, and the one about some abandoned ROW in Pennsylvania that provided a route for a turnpike.  Variety is the spice of life.   Go figure.

      What type of threads interest you?

I'm a lot like you, Murph.  "Officially" I'm into current ops, especially intermodal, BNSF, and NSC; and on other posts traction, pre-Amtrak passenger trains and (modern) transit.  But a topic can catch my attention on Gen. Disc. and I find myself following it with pleasure, perhaps even participating in it.  That's what I like -- it's kind of like a freewheeling conversation but your conversants are much better informed than the average, on the whole.

This is a very impressionistic reckoning, but it seems to me lately that "today's" Gen. Disc. only runs about a page and-a-half on the board, but I recall it in recent past (say, 2008) occupying close to three boards (or screens, whatever).  That's the main reason I started this thread.   -  a.s.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:36 PM

al-in-chgo

This is a very impressionistic reckoning, but it seems to me lately that "today's" Gen. Disc. only runs about a page and-a-half on the board, but I recall it in recent past (say, 2008) occupying close to three boards (or screens, whatever).  That's the main reason I started this thread.   -  a.s.

Didn't the old forum that was just replaced have about 2-3 times the number of threads on the first page?  I think that has a lot to do with the fall-off in activity.

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Posted by jeaton on Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:43 AM

Well, while all you slackers have been busy earning a living and attending to other seasonal or routine chores, I have spent the last two months helping get something over a million dollars into the hands of a large bunch hardworking, taxpaying citizens. 

Few things make people happier than getting a big tax refund.

 

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Posted by Boyd on Thursday, April 9, 2009 2:58 AM

 I'm building a rocket powered machine to travel down the dormant Zephyrs tracks. I have yet to get permission.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:32 AM
Is there a possibility that we've exhausted some of the things that interest us? I know that judicious use of the search function would bring up a lot of things that some people have never seen, and most of the rest of us have forgotten about. I've done over 7500 posts, and I'm not usually one just given to saying "me, too!" or "Yummy". I usually try to share knowledge on subjects with which I'm familiar, and there are times when I feel pretty well tapped out. I was glad to get out this past weekend and refamiliarize myself with the busy part of the IC&E. I may need a bit more of that. Oh, well, later this month...

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Posted by JoeKoh on Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:46 AM

Jeaton glad you can help people get their money.What I try to do is to keep people updated on what I see and hear in nw Ohio.Especially when a train with containers marked explosives is headed westbound I warn Carl to duck and cover.Csx runs whatever power it can although it has aquired new power of its own.Another thing I am working on is coloring my train circle some more and finding some very good results.And as always I have to keep up with Matt.

stay safe

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