We have a perfectly good, perfectly new pedestrian underpass about midway between Wolf Rd, and Gilbert Ave, and yet for every person who uses it, there is at least one who crosses the tracks between either crossing and the underpass. The biggest violators being the local bicycle riders, who for some reason, would rather shoulder their bike and walk across the tracks, instead of riding under the underpass......
It was inconvenient to walk to either crossing, and now it's too inconvenient to walk to the underpass.
I wrote a while ago about Provincial police in Ontario patrolling Hwy 400 with aircraft enabling them to nab speeders. Minimum fine is $2,000 with car confiscated for several weeks, and demerit marks added to their licence, which will increase their insurance. Maximum fine is get this Maximum fine $10,000 with car confiscated permanently. Loss of licence I believe for five years & imagine what their insurance will cost when they are able to drive again. This for speeding, drunk driving, tail-gating, etc.
Reason I'm stating the above is that in all the posts abour rr trespassing, I very seldom see what the penalties are? Are they very severe or just a slap on the wrist?
RRKen wrote: One case of shopping cart left on tracks (now scrap).
One case of shopping cart left on tracks (now scrap).
We had that happen on our last trip home. Hitting a shopping cart at 50mph in a dash-9 sure makes a lot of noise (and dust). Was hung up under the front truck, but got kicked out by the time we stopped to inspect the engine.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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Bucyrus wrote: Quick question: Why has trespassing become such a hot issue all of a sudden? Is it all in reaction to 911?
Quick question:
Why has trespassing become such a hot issue all of a sudden? Is it all in reaction to 911?
As Zugman said, Liability.
I for July, for every railfan seen, we had 11 trespassers a day on the average around the yard. I noted that on one day, 21 people using the yard as a short cut. Just for the mere reason they did not want to walk up the overpass.
Twice in July, we had people, non-employees, walking across the service tracks to take photos. Twice in July, we had people on ATV's on the tracks of an industrial lead (arrested finally, ATV's confiscated for reasons other than trespassing). Attempted theft of wire in town, three cases, one subject detained (caught in the act by a signal maintainer). Five kids playing chicken on a RR bridge in town. Four cases of illegal dumping. One case of attempted theft of bridge bolts (foreman interupted him). One case of stolen ties. One case of damage to warning devices (arrested for various warrants). Attempted theft of a stop sign (held by police for warrants). One case of shopping cart left on tracks (now scrap). One case of a brush fire started on the property. Numerous people chased off of railroad property because they were trying to hop a train coming from a "hobo convention". No count on the number of near misses at grade crossings in town.
Thanks to MCPD and all crafts involved for the information.
Does this answer the question?
Ulrich wrote: And trust me..you'd feel ill used too if you dropped by my home and defaced it. I never defended graffiti painters (criminals)..we're on the same page...
And trust me..you'd feel ill used too if you dropped by my home and defaced it.
I never defended graffiti painters (criminals)..we're on the same page...
They why the moniker of "artist"? That word has a connotation of being worth something. Taggers are just kids who don't parents.
zugmann wrote:Time for work. Later, troll.
HAHAHAHA! No need for me to even move on to page three of this thread...maximum entertainment value achieved with this single post!
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No, it is not security.
It is L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y. Somewhere along the line, moronic juries decided that people that got hurt doing stupid stuff deserve millions.
I can understand why the railroads wouldn't want trespassers on their property...In part the heightened level of enforcement may be due to security..but I'm sure there are also liability concerns...
I accept this (hey..I don't have a choice)..but I miss the old days when we kids could freely roam the yards, get cab rides, and talk to the rail workers. It was great to be a kid in the 70s let me tell you.. I feel a little sorry for the kids today...
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gardendance wrote: The original post never said how Marya Dunlap-Brown trespassed. Did she walk across the tracks in front of a moving train? Did she climb over the couplers between 2 cars while a locomotive was banging into the end of the string of cars? Or did she walk along the grass at the edge of the ballast? I hope there are folks out there who will agree that morally some of these scenarios are less repugnant than others, and some of those scenarios deserve a ticket more than others. One post claimed Mr Ulrich pulling a spike is vandalism. I'd agree if he used a pry bar to get the spike out. If he pulled it out with his bare hand though I think that spike, and probably the tie itself, wasn't doing much good, so no harm, no foul. Again I think, ie. in my opinion.
The original post never said how Marya Dunlap-Brown trespassed. Did she walk across the tracks in front of a moving train? Did she climb over the couplers between 2 cars while a locomotive was banging into the end of the string of cars? Or did she walk along the grass at the edge of the ballast? I hope there are folks out there who will agree that morally some of these scenarios are less repugnant than others, and some of those scenarios deserve a ticket more than others.
One post claimed Mr Ulrich pulling a spike is vandalism. I'd agree if he used a pry bar to get the spike out. If he pulled it out with his bare hand though I think that spike, and probably the tie itself, wasn't doing much good, so no harm, no foul. Again I think, ie. in my opinion.
It sounds like the cops are writing tickets left and right. They wouldn't get involved unless it was turning into a major problem.
If people are simply trying to get across and the crossings are too far away, then perhaps the city should build a footbridge with the ticket money.
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Ulrich wrote: RRKen wrote: Ulrich wrote:Don't tell me..tell every graffiti artist out there (apparently they don't know or care). As stated earlier I don't have a problem with the rules...I really don't trespass that much.We don't have a problem with those who deface cars out here. If caught, they face the same thing you would if caught.There's your problem...a little word....IF caught...IF IF IF.. take off those rose colored glasses and smell the soy...you'll find that you've got your share of artists out there too.
RRKen wrote: Ulrich wrote:Don't tell me..tell every graffiti artist out there (apparently they don't know or care). As stated earlier I don't have a problem with the rules...I really don't trespass that much.We don't have a problem with those who deface cars out here. If caught, they face the same thing you would if caught.
Ulrich wrote:Don't tell me..tell every graffiti artist out there (apparently they don't know or care). As stated earlier I don't have a problem with the rules...I really don't trespass that much.
We don't have a problem with those who deface cars out here. If caught, they face the same thing you would if caught.
There's your problem...a little word....IF caught...IF IF IF.. take off those rose colored glasses and smell the soy...you'll find that you've got your share of artists out there too.
Artists? You mean criminals. I am willing to bet you would feel ill used if we dropped by your home and property to deface it.
Cars in rural service have a 99.99999999% chance of never getting trashed by criminals. Of the over 10,000 DDGs cars out there, most are not spray painted by miscreants. Sorry old sock.
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Ulrich wrote:I'm the only taxpayer who owns my house...so no other taxpayer has the right to enter..
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RRKen wrote: Ulrich wrote: There's nothing egtistical about my position..again...we're talking about WALKING along the right of way...I learn alot more by doing that than by reading annual reports. I don't care if you are the biggest shareholder in the company. You ask permission before you step on the property, AND, you abide by all applicable safety rules, and wear the proper P.P.E. And you had better have proper authorization papers. My employer says, you see an intruder, a tresspasser, drop the dime. If you see someone who is on the property, you have the absolute right to request that person for his Company I.D. If they refuse, call the Manager on-duty, Dispatcher, or the local police. No arguements, no confrontations, just drop the dime, end of conversation. It is the duty of every employee to carry their company I.D. at all times when on the property, and to offer it to others if requested. Those are the rules. Even the CEO wears his company I.D. so no one is exempt. You sir, need to stay off the property unless you have explicit permission to be there. I don't care who you are.
Ulrich wrote: There's nothing egtistical about my position..again...we're talking about WALKING along the right of way...I learn alot more by doing that than by reading annual reports.
I don't care if you are the biggest shareholder in the company. You ask permission before you step on the property, AND, you abide by all applicable safety rules, and wear the proper P.P.E. And you had better have proper authorization papers.
My employer says, you see an intruder, a tresspasser, drop the dime. If you see someone who is on the property, you have the absolute right to request that person for his Company I.D. If they refuse, call the Manager on-duty, Dispatcher, or the local police. No arguements, no confrontations, just drop the dime, end of conversation.
It is the duty of every employee to carry their company I.D. at all times when on the property, and to offer it to others if requested. Those are the rules. Even the CEO wears his company I.D. so no one is exempt.
You sir, need to stay off the property unless you have explicit permission to be there. I don't care who you are.
Yes... Proper P.P.E. is very important, on or off railroad property.
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I don't do drugs at all. Glad (I guess)to hear you don't do them that much..yes...just funnin..but the Ann Landers crowd here has me beat down pretty good.
I also speed sometimes...did 72 in a 60 zone today.. flame away!!!!!
Ulrich wrote:... As stated earlier I don't have a problem with the rules...I really don't trespass that much.
"I really don't have a problem with the rules. I really don't do drugs that much when I am in charge of (insert bus, plane, police patrol, cab, school classroom, house full of kids, dentist's office, operating room, nuclear lab or generating station, the Simpson's distribution office, ...oh, I could go on....).
I get it, though....yer funnin' us.
Murray wrote: Ulrich wrote:...I really don't trespass that much.Now you're rationalizing.
Ulrich wrote:...I really don't trespass that much.
Now you're rationalizing.
Do they know how to think that way out there?
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