Flooding in Upper Midwest

[CrazyDelmar]

Upper Midwest? I think East Central Illinois and Central Indiana is having more problems 

[jeffhergert]

U. S. Army Corps site shows the Cedar River cresting at 21.5' on Thursday. Will that affect the Union Pacific?

If it gets that high (which would be an all-time record, BTW), it will affect EVERYTHING in downtown Cedar Rapids.

I was thinking the cut off on the south side of Cedar Rapids goes under at this level. If it does, can the U. P. still get through via the old passenger route through downtown?

I seriously doubt it.  Judging from my perception, the transcon has no grade whatsoever from the Cedar River bridge all the way over to the Bertram crossovers- am I correct, Jeff?  If the bridge goes under, that whole stretch will be under.  In that case, detouring over the passenger route won't help.

You are pretty much correct Brian.  If water got over the Cedar River bridge, the original line (psgr line) would also be affected. 

Jeff 

[blhanel]

NOAA's prediction for Cedar Rapids- if you scroll down from the graph, you'll see a list of impacts for various levels.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=dvn&gage=cidi4&view=1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1

EDIT: Also notice that the highest crest in 1993 only made to #4 on the all-time historical crests list, and the crest later this week will exceed that one by nearly two feet.

I think my camera will be busy later this week...

[Murphy Siding]

      I saw a photo in the paper, where rain washed out a bridge or culvert on the BNSF between Yankton and Mitchell, S.D.  It's no wonder.  We've had about 2 days in the last month that didn't involve heavy rain.

[blhanel]

With the Cedar getting that high, I suspect CN will have problems in Cedar Falls as well.  Any chance UP could detour on the BNSF through southern Iowa?

Timely story on KCRG...

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/19662114.html

[Los Angeles Rams Guy]

Just read in the Minneapolis Star Tribune about flooding in SE Minnesota again; this time Houston County to be exact and also in NE Iowa in Allamakee County with the Upper Iowa River as well which leads me to believe that parts of the ICE mainline have been hit.  The Root River runs into the Mississippi just south of La Crescent and the Upper Iowa does the same just south of New Albin.  Anyone know for sure?

Wow, hard to believe that the former CNW portion of the "Overland Route" got hit in two places in western Iowa not to mention the IAIS near Anita as well.  Jeff/Brian, any chance at all that the UP (or others) might detour over all or parts of the CN's Iowa Division if this stuff keeps up? 

I remember '93 well as I was living in Coralville and my graduation from the U of Iowa that summer was flooded out.  Oh well, I still did manage to get my piece of paper in the mail.      

 

[Victrola1]

http://www2.mvr.usace.army.mil/WaterControl/new/layout.cfm

This site does not project out too far out on crests. All that water going down small streams eventually hits the big streams. If it keeps raining, I wonder if Mississippi river crossings may be flooded next?  

 

[blhanel]

U. S. Army Corps site shows the Cedar River cresting at 21.5' on Thursday. Will that affect the Union Pacific?

If it gets that high (which would be an all-time record, BTW), it will affect EVERYTHING in downtown Cedar Rapids.

I was thinking the cut off on the south side of Cedar Rapids goes under at this level. If it does, can the U. P. still get through via the old passenger route through downtown?

I seriously doubt it.  Judging from my perception, the transcon has no grade whatsoever from the Cedar River bridge all the way over to the Bertram crossovers- am I correct, Jeff?  If the bridge goes under, that whole stretch will be under.  In that case, detouring over the passenger route won't help.

[jeffhergert]

It may not be as bad as 1993, but it won't take much to get there. At least in Iowa.

The UP is closed in western Iowa.  A couple of washouts around Woodbine and Logan when a levee broke on the Boyer River.  Flood gates across the tracks at Denison were closed, don't know if those have reopened, but the washouts aren't expected to be repaired until tomorrow morning.  A UP detour over the Iowa Interstate was stopped at Anita, Iowa when the IAIS track went under water east of there.

Track 1 east of Montour, Iowa is under water, Track 2 may be closed by now.  When I went thru about 430 AM, water was over the ties, but not the rail.  A track inspector protecting that location said the water was still rising.

A bridge at Elkhorn, Nebraska is out.  93 cars of ballast are supposed to have been ordered for it's repair.

As I was leaving, a conductor said that one of the piers under construction on the new high bridge has shifted by about 3 1/2 inches.

Truly, when it rains, it pours. 

Jeff

   

[Victrola1]

U. S. Army Corps site shows the Cedar River cresting at 21.5' on Thursday. Will that affect the Union Pacific?

I was thinking the cut off on the south side of Cedar Rapids goes under at this level. If it does, can the U. P. still get through via the old passenger route through downtown? 

 

[blhanel]

If we don't get out of this rainy pattern, though, it could reach that level.  The Coralville Reservoir south of Cedar Rapids is rising in spite of the Corps opening the outlet to the point that there's flooding in Iowa City.  It won't take much more before it's running over the spillway on the dam, something which happened only once before- 1993.  Given the heavy rains in northern Iowa over the weekend, it's beginning to look inevitable.

[eolafan]

Not even close to the 1993 flooding, not even close...but bad enough just the same.

[Victrola1]

There have been news reports of massive rains and flooding in the upper midwest. Some local media outlets are making comaprisons to the massive floods of 1993.

Is this likely to cause route closings and reroutes?