Mookie wrote:Ken - can you tell us what might be on that list?
What list would that be?
Murray wrote: Willy2 wrote: Do any of you have any idea how pathetic you all are? This topic has been discussed numerous times over the past several months. Each time, it ends with the same result... some railfans are obsessed with waving and their day is ruined if the engineer or conductor doesn't acknowledge them, some like a wave but don't need one, and some could care less. Some crew members are happy to wave if they aren't busy, some wave only sometimes, and some never wave for various reasons. I just summed up the last 60 posts in a few sentences. Now let's see if we can get 60 more from this topic, plus about 10 more topics on waving before the year ends. I'm not saying that this topic needs to be banned, but it seems very frivolous to go through this time after time. Don't you have family and friends to spend time with? Maybe a beer to drink? I sense anger and stress coming from you Willy.Do you need a hug?
Willy2 wrote: Do any of you have any idea how pathetic you all are? This topic has been discussed numerous times over the past several months. Each time, it ends with the same result... some railfans are obsessed with waving and their day is ruined if the engineer or conductor doesn't acknowledge them, some like a wave but don't need one, and some could care less. Some crew members are happy to wave if they aren't busy, some wave only sometimes, and some never wave for various reasons. I just summed up the last 60 posts in a few sentences. Now let's see if we can get 60 more from this topic, plus about 10 more topics on waving before the year ends. I'm not saying that this topic needs to be banned, but it seems very frivolous to go through this time after time. Don't you have family and friends to spend time with? Maybe a beer to drink?
Do any of you have any idea how pathetic you all are? This topic has been discussed numerous times over the past several months. Each time, it ends with the same result... some railfans are obsessed with waving and their day is ruined if the engineer or conductor doesn't acknowledge them, some like a wave but don't need one, and some could care less. Some crew members are happy to wave if they aren't busy, some wave only sometimes, and some never wave for various reasons.
I just summed up the last 60 posts in a few sentences. Now let's see if we can get 60 more from this topic, plus about 10 more topics on waving before the year ends. I'm not saying that this topic needs to be banned, but it seems very frivolous to go through this time after time. Don't you have family and friends to spend time with? Maybe a beer to drink?
I sense anger and stress coming from you Willy.
Do you need a hug?
Maybe school's getting to him.....
Willy: lighten up. Nobody forced you to read all "60" posts.
Yeah, I know it's a silly discussion; yet.....here we both are reading it and replying to it......
Murray wrote: zugmann wrote:And today's HUH? award goes to.... K. P. Harrier wrote: I find it absolutely refreshing that a rail job description mentions friendly waving. THAT SURE BEATS the trend toward sour faced communistic-like retards in the cabs and decaling locomotives with large red, white, and blue swastikas on the sides! (You can tell I am vocal about subtle threats to America!)KP sounds like a frustrated Libertarian....
zugmann wrote:And today's HUH? award goes to.... K. P. Harrier wrote: I find it absolutely refreshing that a rail job description mentions friendly waving. THAT SURE BEATS the trend toward sour faced communistic-like retards in the cabs and decaling locomotives with large red, white, and blue swastikas on the sides! (You can tell I am vocal about subtle threats to America!)
K. P. Harrier wrote: I find it absolutely refreshing that a rail job description mentions friendly waving. THAT SURE BEATS the trend toward sour faced communistic-like retards in the cabs and decaling locomotives with large red, white, and blue swastikas on the sides! (You can tell I am vocal about subtle threats to America!)
I find it absolutely refreshing that a rail job description mentions friendly waving. THAT SURE BEATS the trend toward sour faced communistic-like retards in the cabs and decaling locomotives with large red, white, and blue swastikas on the sides! (You can tell I am vocal about subtle threats to America!)
KP sounds like a frustrated Libertarian....
I would imagine most Libertarians are rather frustrated right about now....
RRKen wrote:Writing a list at 10 mph are things we naturally do.
I would submit that you are far more distracted by writing a list than briefly raising a hand. For the sake of your fellow employees, please put the pencil and paper away and pay attention to your surroundings.
Pardon me while I get our my asbestos suit.
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RRKen wrote: n012944 wrote: RRKen wrote: Pathetic? I don't count the safety of my fellow employees as pathetic kid. Anyone who needs a wave is in serious psychological trouble.As someone who has spent more time in the cab of a locomotive then I would have liked to, I can say that if waving puts your saftey as risk, it might be time to find a different job.... Writing a list at 10 mph are things we naturally do. Waving to strangers, however is not in my job description.
n012944 wrote: RRKen wrote: Pathetic? I don't count the safety of my fellow employees as pathetic kid. Anyone who needs a wave is in serious psychological trouble.As someone who has spent more time in the cab of a locomotive then I would have liked to, I can say that if waving puts your saftey as risk, it might be time to find a different job....
RRKen wrote: Pathetic? I don't count the safety of my fellow employees as pathetic kid. Anyone who needs a wave is in serious psychological trouble.
Pathetic? I don't count the safety of my fellow employees as pathetic kid.
Anyone who needs a wave is in serious psychological trouble.
As someone who has spent more time in the cab of a locomotive then I would have liked to, I can say that if waving puts your saftey as risk, it might be time to find a different job....
Writing a list at 10 mph are things we naturally do. Waving to strangers, however is not in my job description.
Which is fine. If you don't want to wave, then don't wave. I just don't understand why you have to hide behind a safety argument. It is a bunch of crap, and any of us who work for a railroad know it.
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K. P. Harrier wrote:I find it absolutely refreshing that a rail job description mentions friendly waving. THAT SURE BEATS the trend toward sour faced communistic-like retards in the cabs and decaling locomotives with large red, white, and blue swastikas on the sides! (You can tell I am vocal about subtle threats to America!)
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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CNW 6000 wrote: Willy2 wrote: Do any of you have any idea how pathetic you all are? This topic has been discussed numerous times over the past several months. Each time, it ends with the same result... some railfans are obsessed with waving and their day is ruined if the engineer or conductor doesn't acknowledge them, some like a wave but don't need one, and some could care less. Some crew members are happy to wave if they aren't busy, some wave only sometimes, and some never wave for various reasons. I just summed up the last 60 posts in a few sentences. Now let's see if we can get 60 more from this topic, plus about 10 more topics on waving before the year ends. I'm not saying that this topic needs to be banned, but it seems very frivolous to go through this time after time. Don't you have family and friends to spend time with? Maybe a beer to drink?Thanks for your vote of confidence Willy. A search of the forum regarding how many threads that have a specific job description as the discussion point revealed...this one. As I read it you're the only one upset here.
Thanks for your vote of confidence Willy.
A search of the forum regarding how many threads that have a specific job description as the discussion point revealed...this one. As I read it you're the only one upset here.
Here are a few to start with. They did not all start with being about waving, but all of them evolved to have the same end result that I described in my first post.
http://cs.trains.com/forums/1183772/ShowPost.aspx
http://cs.trains.com/forums/1337558/ShowPost.aspx
http://cs.trains.com/forums/1445709/ShowPost.aspx
RRKen - I am absolutely not saying that safety is pathetic. It just seems to me that going over this topic time after time with the same result is not getting anywhere. If you could all come to a different conclusion on the subject than before, then perhaps it would be a different story.
Willy
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed.
RRKen wrote: Mailman56701 wrote: You *really* need to get out more.............In what way? I spend a good portion of my time observing behaviors. I work with fellow employees to help make them safer. So this is not just my observation, but that of my fellow employees too. Just ask the five who died on UP in the last 35 days what situational awareness is about. Oh, that's right, dead men tell no tales. Every last incident had to do with situational awareness. And anything that takes away from that, causes incidents sooner or later. I hope never. So it is YOU who needs to get out of your paradigm some, not I.
Mailman56701 wrote: You *really* need to get out more.............
You *really* need to get out more.............
In what way? I spend a good portion of my time observing behaviors. I work with fellow employees to help make them safer. So this is not just my observation, but that of my fellow employees too. Just ask the five who died on UP in the last 35 days what situational awareness is about.
Oh, that's right, dead men tell no tales. Every last incident had to do with situational awareness. And anything that takes away from that, causes incidents sooner or later. I hope never.
So it is YOU who needs to get out of your paradigm some, not I.
Stop taking yourself so seriously.
I assume your railroad hires people capable of doing two things at once.
And for the record, I could care less if someone waves or not. Hell, I don't wave myself.
Dan
here's #1...
Mailman56701 wrote:You really need to get out more
I think you should appreciate the view from behind the throttle that is afforded you here. It's not an amusement park ride; it's a job.
RRKen wrote: I feel that is at-risk behavior without a doubt. I just happen to be doing risk accessment for our terminal when this topic was pointed out to me. Anything that takes your focus from your job, is at-risk behavior. Number 1 on my list is cell phones, specifically texting. More so in yard operations. Waving diverts attention from the task at hand, which is safe operation of your train. And it's just plain dumb.
I feel that is at-risk behavior without a doubt.
I just happen to be doing risk accessment for our terminal when this topic was pointed out to me. Anything that takes your focus from your job, is at-risk behavior. Number 1 on my list is cell phones, specifically texting. More so in yard operations.
Waving diverts attention from the task at hand, which is safe operation of your train. And it's just plain dumb.
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zugmann wrote: I never said I wasn't a foamer... in fact I am a foamer. Would I be here otherwise? Thanks for the plug N(really big number). Sure beats foamerdog.com (aka rail-sissy chat).
I never said I wasn't a foamer... in fact I am a foamer. Would I be here otherwise?
Thanks for the plug N(really big number). Sure beats foamerdog.com (aka rail-sissy chat).
I was in FoamerDawg once, I said the word pee-pee and got banned.
Come on over and check out out rail chat site. A good group of people who have chatted online for more than 10 years.
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They call themselves Foamer Fighters.
zugmann wrote: How about the foamers too busy trying to get their photos on railpictures.net to bother to wave? You know who I am talking about - the "i'm too cool to be a foamer" foamer. FTGT725 wrote:This thread makes me wonder, if all you professional railroaders are too busy to wave (safety issues), maybe if the foamers here just flipped you off, do you think you'd be too busy to repond? I'll bet not.
How about the foamers too busy trying to get their photos on railpictures.net to bother to wave?
You know who I am talking about - the "i'm too cool to be a foamer" foamer.
FTGT725 wrote:This thread makes me wonder, if all you professional railroaders are too busy to wave (safety issues), maybe if the foamers here just flipped you off, do you think you'd be too busy to repond? I'll bet not.
dknelson wrote: Dave Nelson
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wabash1 wrote: FTGT725 wrote:This thread makes me wonder, if all you professional railroaders are too busy to wave (safety issues), maybe if the foamers here just flipped you off, do you think you'd be too busy to repond? I'll bet not. We/I get fliped off every trip I laugh any more it makes them madder. remeber i dont lower myself to their weak minded standerd . its amazing that you can laugh at them and make them madder and they stand dumb founded with out anything to come back at you with. the public should understand we are not thin skinned on the railroad.
We/I get fliped off every trip I laugh any more it makes them madder. remeber i dont lower myself to their weak minded standerd . its amazing that you can laugh at them and make them madder and they stand dumb founded with out anything to come back at you with. the public should understand we are not thin skinned on the railroad.
Where would one find the time to input all the information that the "foamer" got "madder" and stood dumfounded without a comeback. Would one actually have to turn and look backwards to see the reaction of the "foamer"? I bet there would be some conversation between the engineer and conductor and some chuckles.
In my opinion, truck driving is far more stressfull than running a train when it comes to paying attention to your surroundings. With the railroad, your on a fixed route (tracks), you know where your going. Trucks, you have many options. you have to mentally drive many more vehicles around you, you have to mentally think for many more people and what they are going to do around you, ect... The thing is, when you drive towards a trucker, lift a couple of fingers off the steering wheel (kinda like a peace sign) to acknowledge them, and most of the time, they are aware enough that you did that and will do the same back. Not to start a major arguement here but traversing the nations highways need more "paying attention" than riding the rails.
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