I need your pros help (ATSF especially)

[Anonymous]

Me and my friend are in a big battle over a steamer i believe Santa Fe had. Anyone hers how it goes did Santa Fe have a 2-4-6-2 or a 2-6-4-2? I thought they had one for experiment but took ti apart soon after. Some company made a brass one so that made me think they were real, anyone know?

[edbenton]

The had 10 2-10-10-2's in the 20's that were unsuccesful do to lack of fireboxsize simply.  However were rebuilt into 20 2-10-2's by spliting them in half easiest way to tell which tenders were the originals they were called whale backs.  Model Railroader did an articale on them in 88-89 I know since I was in 8th grade at the time.

[dknelson]

If you can read Italian there is fascinating stuff on those 2-10-10-2s on this great website--and photos and drawings for those of us who cannot read Italian ("Giganti" is a word I understand in every language lol).

 http://www.trainzitaliafoto.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=4521

 

As to 4-4-6-2, from this website

http://atsf.railfan.net/atsfstea.html

I found this data

Class	Road Numbers	Wheel Arr.	Builder	Years Built	Quantity	Disposition	Notes
1398	1398-1399	4-4-6-2	Baldwin	1909	2	Rebuilt 1915 to 4-6-2 #1398-1399

1398

1398-1399

4-4-6-2

Baldwin

1909

2

Rebuilt 1915 to 4-6-2 #1398-1399

Could these have been the (in)famous and strange hinged locomotives?  The boiler had a central bellows that hinged.  Can't seem to find a photo on the internet but on this site

http://www.coyotecrossingstudio.com/pk4/store.pl?section=11

I found this very nice drawing

Way back Railroad Model Craftsman had an article on how to kitbash this engine using other brass locomotives as parts sources.   

Dave Nelson

[edbenton]

No those were standard mallets with ridgid boilers.  What were supposed to have hinged boilers were proposed 2-10-10-10-10-2's however were NEVER built never got beyond the design stage.

[Train 284]

So there Kobi looks like I was right after all.

[videomaker]

 I looked I liked ! But a 2-10-10-2 Thats a lot of loco,too much I would say...

[Trainnut484]

According to Ed Worley's book "Iron Horses of the Santa Fe Trail", the Santa Fe's 2-10-10-2s (3000 class) were intended for slow speed freight service between Bakersfield, Barstow, and San Bernadino, CA.  The 2-6-6-2 Prairie types were used primarily in Kansas, Texas Panhandle, and New Mexico.

If you are more interested in Santa Fe steam, I highly recommend Ed Worley's book.  It was published in 1965 and is long out of print, but you can find copies of it either at train shows, or online auctions.  You might also check a public library.

Nice to see another Santa Fe fan here on the forums

Take care,

Russell 

[Anonymous]

Cool another Santa Fe fan, sweet, hey  Russell you have aim to something like that? Santa Fe all they way!!

[dknelson]

No those were standard mallets with ridgid boilers.  What were supposed to have hinged boilers were proposed 2-10-10-10-10-2's however were NEVER built never got beyond the design stage.

I found what I was thinking of, a September 1968 article in Railroad Model Craftsman by the great brass-chopper-upper Bill Schopp, showing a Santa Fe 2-6-6-2 "prairie mallet" with the hinged boiler, which Schopp simulated with the threaded part of a pipe!   the article has four prototype photos and a rather crude drawing.

Dave Nelson

[Santa_Fe_Man]

The model you remember was by Westside of a 4-4-6-2 wheel arrangement, which Santa Fe had 2 in the 1398 class for passenger work. The front engine proved too slippery and they were deemed unsuccessful and cut down to standard Pacific wheel arrangements