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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:28 PM
I have a train vid that shows WWII action involving trains here in the states. If you know what it is you can see a B-36 take off. If you didn't know what it is you would just call it an airplane.

Those things were monsters. I would have liked to have seen one in real life and not just book and mags.

They were designed to fly from America, bomb Germany and return to American soil. This project was undertaken in case Great Britain fell into Nazi hands.

They lasted with some changes into the cold war era. I understand the entire group was destroyed during a storm. [:(]
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Posted by dharmon on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:36 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

I have a train vid that shows WWII action involving trains here in the states. If you know what it is you can see a B-36 take off. If you didn't know what it is you would just call it an airplane.

Those things were monsters. I would have liked to have seen one in real life and not just book and mags.

They were designed to fly from America, bomb Germany and return to American soil. This project was undertaken in case Great Britain fell into Nazi hands.

They lasted with some changes into the cold war era. I understand the entire group was destroyed during a storm. [:(]



I have...been on one too.....when I was a kid they had one at the airport in Arlington, TX that was being prepared for a museum. The guys used to let me climb all over and through it. Down the bomb bay tube to the aft crew area and tail guns, into the wings through the engineers hatch....all over it ......way cool.
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Posted by espeefoamer on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:02 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

I have a train vid that shows WWII action involving trains here in the states. If you know what it is you can see a B-36 take off. If you didn't know what it is you would just call it an airplane.

Those things were monsters. I would have liked to have seen one in real life and not just book and mags.

They were designed to fly from America, bomb Germany and return to American soil. This project was undertaken in case Great Britain fell into Nazi hands.

They lasted with some changes into the cold war era. I understand the entire group was destroyed during a storm. [:(]

There is a B-36 in the air museum at Castle Air Force Base near Atwater Ca. in the San Joaquin Valley.I have seen it and these things are HUGE![:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:29 PM
Anyone Seen any odd posters, or old Train posters on the web, if you have

LET ME know-

Thanks.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:30 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Anyone Seen any odd posters, or old Train posters on the web, if you have

LET ME know-

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Kev

I found some really good ALCO pic. [:)]

Wanna see them. [;)] [:D]


Call the Historic Rail number found earlier in this thread. Ask them to send you one of the Free catalogs.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:25 AM
A little story about when the USN took over control of Carswell AFB--us "yuck monkeys" in the USAFRes had to brush up on our recognition of Naval insignia. I was working with a Tech Sgt. with a reputation as a smart a** when a Navy Captain approached. The TSgt. smartly saluted saluted and greeted the Captain with "mornin' Admiral!" The Captain, without missing a beat replied, "good morning, Airman!" As far as WWII aircraft go, I'll cast my vote for the "forked tail devil!" Who knows what aircraft I refer to? Great prizes await the 93 caller to answer correctly!!
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Posted by jchnhtfd on Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:28 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by emory

A little story about when the USN took over control of Carswell AFB--us "yuck monkeys" in the USAFRes had to brush up on our recognition of Naval insignia. I was working with a Tech Sgt. with a reputation as a smart a** when a Navy Captain approached. The TSgt. smartly saluted saluted and greeted the Captain with "mornin' Admiral!" The Captain, without missing a beat replied, "good morning, Airman!" As far as WWII aircraft go, I'll cast my vote for the "forked tail devil!" Who knows what aircraft I refer to? Great prizes await the 93 caller to answer correctly!!

You refer to the Lockheed P-38[:D]. Nice 'plane... but I'll vote (in that era) for either the Spitfire (preferably early; the later ones with clipped or extended wings were not as clean) (one of the best airplanes, aerodynamically, ever built), the FW-190, a vastly underrated bird (the winners write the history...), the Japanese Emily flying boat (amazing critter, that one), or... aw heck. There were a bunch of great planes! Forget the vote; just enjoy!
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:05 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jchnhtfd

QUOTE: Originally posted by emory

A little story about when the USN took over control of Carswell AFB--us "yuck monkeys" in the USAFRes had to brush up on our recognition of Naval insignia. I was working with a Tech Sgt. with a reputation as a smart a** when a Navy Captain approached. The TSgt. smartly saluted saluted and greeted the Captain with "mornin' Admiral!" The Captain, without missing a beat replied, "good morning, Airman!" As far as WWII aircraft go, I'll cast my vote for the "forked tail devil!" Who knows what aircraft I refer to? Great prizes await the 93 caller to answer correctly!!

You refer to the Lockheed P-38[:D]. Nice 'plane... but I'll vote (in that era) for either the Spitfire (preferably early; the later ones with clipped or extended wings were not as clean) (one of the best airplanes, aerodynamically, ever built), the FW-190, a vastly underrated bird (the winners write the history...), the Japanese Emily flying boat (amazing critter, that one), or... aw heck. There were a bunch of great planes! Forget the vote; just enjoy!


Most under-rated combat aircraft of WWII ...the world famous Brewster Buffalo.......lost some of the most obscure air battles in history.
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:06 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by jchnhtfd

QUOTE: Originally posted by emory

A little story about when the USN took over control of Carswell AFB--us "yuck monkeys" in the USAFRes had to brush up on our recognition of Naval insignia. I was working with a Tech Sgt. with a reputation as a smart a** when a Navy Captain approached. The TSgt. smartly saluted saluted and greeted the Captain with "mornin' Admiral!" The Captain, without missing a beat replied, "good morning, Airman!" As far as WWII aircraft go, I'll cast my vote for the "forked tail devil!" Who knows what aircraft I refer to? Great prizes await the 93 caller to answer correctly!!

You refer to the Lockheed P-38[:D]. Nice 'plane... but I'll vote (in that era) for either the Spitfire (preferably early; the later ones with clipped or extended wings were not as clean) (one of the best airplanes, aerodynamically, ever built), the FW-190, a vastly underrated bird (the winners write the history...), the Japanese Emily flying boat (amazing critter, that one), or... aw heck. There were a bunch of great planes! Forget the vote; just enjoy!


Most under-rated combat aircraft of WWII ...the world famous Brewster Buffalo.......lost some of the most obscure air battles in history.


Oh yeah ..... and I'm sure that the plant that made them was served by the RRs.
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:06 AM
QUOTE: [i] I'll cast my vote for the "forked tail devil!" Who knows what aircraft I refer to? Great prizes await the 93 caller to answer correctly!!


OK my turn...

What plane was called "the Bent-Wing ***".

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:20 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

QUOTE: [i] I'll cast my vote for the "forked tail devil!" Who knows what aircraft I refer to? Great prizes await the 93 caller to answer correctly!!


OK my turn...

What plane was called "the Bent-Wing ***".


Nominees would include:
1. The highly over-rated F4U Corsair
2. The every popular JU87 Stuka
3. The not so popular or effective Chance Vought Vultee
4. The Lesly Lylander utility bird, famous for taking operatives to Holland

any of these meet your definition
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:22 AM
One of those choices, yes, but I aint sayin' which 'till someone gets it right..

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:30 AM
Well chances are if your frame of reference is a Marine or USN type ..it's the Corsair

If your frame of reference is more European, then I'd venture to guess you be talking about the Stuka..arguably the best dive bomber ever but no speed demon...........but then again, the winners write the history. (Second place would be my personal favorite in the dive bomber category.....the lowly SBD Dauntless...the savior of Midway and Coral Sea, slayer of carriers, workhorse of the Solomons and defender of the faith.
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:31 AM
well you better pick one the girl at the curtian is waiting to show you the prize.

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:52 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

well you better pick one the girl at the curtian is waiting to show you the prize.


Corsair...no Stuka yeah Stuka

no wait Corsair..fina....

Stuka ...final answer.
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:25 PM
You are...


WRONG!


F4U corsair was called the "Bent Wing ***" by the pilots who flew it.

It was a bear to fly because of the 18 cylinder radial engine produced sooo much torque that when they took off from a carrier at full throttle they had to jam the stick all the way to the left or the plane would try to roll over to the right from the torque.

It was almost as fast as a Mustang, could match the Mustang in a dogfight, far better armored than the P-51 and was severly hated by the Japanese...

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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:30 PM
another challenge, not WWII, this ones easy...

The Widow Maker...

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:46 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

You are...


WRONG!


F4U corsair was called the "Bent Wing ***" by the pilots who flew it.

It was a bear to fly because of the 18 cylinder radial engine produced sooo much torque that when they took off from a carrier at full throttle they had to jam the stick all the way to the left or the plane would try to roll over to the right from the torque.

It was almost as fast as a Mustang, could match the Mustang in a dogfight, far better armored than the P-51 and was severly hated by the Japanese...


It was also reportedly very hard to bring aboard a carrier becasue of the wobbly landing gear and poor visibilty due to the long cowling and tall landing gear required for the large prop. It had poor speed control and poor slow speed charateristics including the torque roll of death.....it was hated by the japanese for its speed, durability and firepower...manueverabilty though ummm not sure on that one....proabably would have to go to the Mustang...with half full tanks....fully loaded it (the mustang) was reportedly a pig and would depart easily in accelerated stalls. I think the best all around naval fighter would have to go the Hellcat.

I will say that though the Corsair for all it's faults (speed and large payload not among them) it outlived most of it's peers....into the Korean War and French Indochina action That big radial air cooled engine really performed in the temp range seen in the far east.
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:50 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

another challenge, not WWII, this ones easy...

The Widow Maker...


Thats easy .........MY WIFE!

But seriously......

You must be talking about the Baltimore Whore........a fast girl with no visible means of support.........more crews killed in accidents than combat.

the B26 Maruader
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:07 PM
Well, YES, the B26 was called the widow maker, but I said NON-WWII,

so theres another plane that earned that reputation...

I thought it was that B-26 crews were trained too hastetly on it and it wasnt a good high altitude bomber. Once pilots got the hang of the B26 and it found its roll it was a very effective ground attack plane, also lasting into Korea and was used by firefighting air crews into the 1960's if I remember correct.

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:24 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

Well, YES, the B26 was called the widow maker, but I said NON-WWII,

so theres another plane that earned that reputation...

I thought it was that B-26 crews were trained too hastetly on it and it wasnt a good high altitude bomber. Once pilots got the hang of the B26 and it found its roll it was a very effective ground attack plane, also lasting into Korea and was used by firefighting air crews into the 1960's if I remember correct.


Sorry missed the NOT part......the early versions were fairly unstable and had a high landing speed. The crew were not trained well, and it took Gen Doolittle to save the program. In the end though the lengthened the wings on later models to improve stability but lowered the speed.

I must add allegedly, reportedly, or whatever....I've never flown any of these planes other than on MCFS.........I don't want to be accused of debating something I had no personal experience with [xx(].

Widowmaker ...Widowmaker...........not WWII......well let's see the Beech Bonanza is the Doctor Killer................The Harrier Jump Jet had its moments....I give
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:29 PM
Ahhh it just came to me......

the starfighter......the plane that tried to kill Yeager
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:30 PM
F-104 Starfighter

It had a bad habit of killing fighter jocks who let there attention stray for more than 30 seconds...was much hated by most who flew it...

And your right about the Harrier, it has been called that recently..

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

F-104 Starfighter

It had a bad habit of killing fighter jocks who let there attention stray for more than 30 seconds...was much hated by most who flew it...

And your right about the Harrier, it has been called that recently..


See that's the problem with pilots..they keep making airplanes that have more ability than we do........pilots are kind of like golden retrievers........good looking and friendly but expensive to get, very high maintenance, and easliy distracted by bright shiny objects..........[:p]
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:36 PM
"The Flying Bedstead"

This is one NO ONE will get...

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Posted by eolafan on Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:51 PM
LOVE all trains, favorite planes are also F-4 Phantom II as well as B-52 and all earlier SAC bombers, and the SR-71 Blackbird (used to work for the company that made flight simulators for all of these and many more called LINK SIMULATION). Like ships also, especially military, and really like to learn more about Battleships and Cruisers of WWI and WWII. Awesome!
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

"The Flying Bedstead"

This is one NO ONE will get...


the bead in "Bedknobs and Broomsticks"

or the first VTOL aircraft experiment
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:57 PM
Okay.....Mr smart guy....

Slow underhand pitch across plate......Wooden wonder (WWII)

and some more just for fun......non WWII

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Harley

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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:05 PM
Wooden wonder...

DeHavelind Mosquito...

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:15 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

Wooden wonder...

DeHavelind Mosquito...


you all collect young glasshoppel

pretty airplane too!

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