QUOTE: Originally posted by DSchmitt Anyone want to invest in a bridge between California and Hawaii[:o)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Muddy Creek ... "Do you want two lanes or four?" asked the Genie. Wayne
QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller Let's build a bridge to the 21st century and....er....oh wait, it's already the 21st century. Sorry, my mistake. We could build an underpass to last Tuesday, or possibly a causeway to the 8th dimension. [D)] Perhaps we could build a space elevator to Mars [alien]. Or we could just buy a stairway to heaven.
QUOTE: Originally posted by eastside Thanks, that's one of the best jokes I've seen on this board! Thanks. Can't take credit for ot though. Heard it on the Car Talk radio program. Wayne Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:51 AM Regarding seismicity of the Strait, I'm not sure where the information is coming from about it being a highly seismic zone. The nearest zone of recognized seismicity is on the Russian side, on an isolated fault located in the Kolyunchinskaya Bay on the northern end of the Chukot peninsula. This, however, is not the boundary between the plates. That exists further west along an as-yet undefined fault running north from the Kamchatka Peninsula. In short, the Straits are not the techtonic boundary but rather just a low spot on the continental shelf; much of Chukotka is on the North American plate. The economic argument against the construction of the line has some validity, and the tunnel (a bridge wouldn't be feasible partially because of ice drifting, but mostly because of icing on the structure and frequently high winds that could derail a train) would not be built based on purely economic benefits. It would be built based on Russia's political necessity to retain effective control of its territory in the face of Chinese pressure later in the coming century (it will become more and more difficult for overpopulated China to ignore the mostly empty territory north of its borders). The Russians already recognize this, and their earlier support for this project was part of their solution to this problem. However, in order for the tunnel to be built, the rail lines on both sides must be brought closer to each other. There is already in the works an effort to extend track along a proposed gas line into Alaska (connecting the Fort St. James line in British Columbia to a proposed rail extension from Fairbanks to Delta Junction), and the Russians are already constructing rail from the Trans Siberian and the BAM line to Yakutsk (the bridge across the Lena River into Yakutsk will be finished in 2010). After these two projects are completed, on the US side track would be extended next into northwest Alaska (mostly to connect mines in the region to the North American rail system), and on the Russian side track would be extended next along the Kolyma Highway to Magadan, and then later possibly to Anadyr, if oil is ever produced in the Anadyr Basin fields offshore from Chukotka. After that, then it will make much more sense to the nay-sayers why a tunnel should be built. Reply Edit ValorStorm Member sinceMarch 2002 From: MRL 3rd Sub MP117 "No defects, repeat, no defects" 360 posts Posted by ValorStorm on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:28 AM benerito is correct. The so called "Ring of Fire" is hundreds of miles south of the Bering Strait. There's an article in the January 1991 issue of TRAINS on the subject of an intercontinental rail tunnel, addressing almost every concern on this thread. Look for it on page 108 ("Turntable"). The inspiration for the article was the fall of the Berlin Wall and the completion of the "Chunnel." Only weeks after this issue hit the news stands an American-Russian consortium of scientists met in Nome Alaska to discuss it. A couple of months later, Popular Science (or Pop Mech?) did a front-page feature on it. There was NO latter-day discussion of any of this prior to that issue of TRAINS magazine. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:41 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey The Discovery Channel I believe it was that had the Bering Straits Bridge Idea and in another 'Extreme Engineering' version a tunnel under the Atlantic was also shown. In a tube suspended and tested against Nuclear Sub Collision designed for super sonic travel. Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers will be using it all the time no doubt! Still 100 years ago Colour TV would have not been considered possible or an SR71 I saw that 'Extreme Enginneering' on the Atlantic tunnel as well. Besides the water pressure from the outside, I seem to recall they were going to pump all the air out of the tunnel to allow faster speeds. For more conventional tunnels, imagine what would be possible if someone could invent a TBM capable of 1 mph operating 24/7 through any ground. A 2000 mile tunnel could be dug in about 3 months. Maybe it could liquify the ground using high power lasers or ultrasound? Getting materials in for the lining would seem to be a problem. Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:39 AM ...."Two lanes or four"....The greatest funny on here for a while.... Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:07 AM Heh, in 2 words I can tell you all you need to know about this: Lyndon LaRouche Try running a google on World Land Bridge Eurasian Land Bridge Schiller Institute And have a good laugh Start here: http://www.schillerinstitute.org/economy/maps/maps3.html#bering%20straits And, if you want a good example of how extremist hacks seize emotional topics (high speed rail, Amtrak, expanding PRB coal access, Bering land bridge, etc) and use them to lead those willing to be mislead, have a lookie here http://larouchein2004.net/pdfs/economics/020906infra02.pdf Reply Edit prospekt mira Member sinceJuly 2005 93 posts Posted by prospekt mira on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:09 AM Remember, some Russians (Zhirinovsky's LDP) want Alaska back, since the Tsar sold it so cheaply. I've met the man and he's a right nutter, so Alaska's staying under the red white and blue (Oh wait, that's the Russian flags colours as well). [:D][:D] Reply wallyworld Member sinceJuly 2002 From: A State of Humidity 2,441 posts Posted by wallyworld on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:00 AM No one will finance it considering the financial fiasco the Chunnel has been. Theres no meaningful rail connection on our side. The national debt ceiling ( in trillions) has been raised here for the 5th time recently. It will never be built in our life time. Once Castro is out of the picture-a tunnel to Cuba is a remote possibility. Nothing is more fairly distributed than common sense: no one thinks he needs more of it than he already has. Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:17 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates Heh, in 2 words I can tell you all you need to know about this: Lyndon LaRouche Try running a google on World Land Bridge Eurasian Land Bridge Schiller Institute And have a good laugh Start here: http://www.schillerinstitute.org/economy/maps/maps3.html#bering%20straits And, if you want a good example of how extremist hacks seize emotional topics (high speed rail, Amtrak, expanding PRB coal access, Bering land bridge, etc) and use them to lead those willing to be mislead, have a lookie here http://larouchein2004.net/pdfs/economics/020906infra02.pdf Oh Please dont bring LaRouche up, that guy isNUTS ! [:0][;)] Have fun with your trains Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:18 AM ....Ok, now how about that Antarctic transcon?........ Reply wallyworld Member sinceJuly 2002 From: A State of Humidity 2,441 posts Posted by wallyworld on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:39 AM Id prefer getting to Chicago in under an hour. Nothing is more fairly distributed than common sense: no one thinks he needs more of it than he already has. Reply carnej1 Member sinceNovember 2003 From: Rhode Island 2,289 posts Posted by carnej1 on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:41 AM Seems to me that this would essentially run from nowhere to nowhere............Even with the respective trancontinental rail links extended that far North. This would be thousands of miles from any population center, a "polar express" indeed... "I Often Dream of Trains"-From the Album of the Same Name by Robyn Hitchcock Reply Poppa_Zit Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: West end of Chicago's Famous Racetrack 2,239 posts Posted by Poppa_Zit on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:49 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by talbanese I know GWB was thinking about it, but he decide to "REFORM" SSI instead. I think it is ignorant to use this topic as another opportunity to ba***he President. When will you guys grow up? "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. They are not entitled, however, to their own facts." No we can't. Charter Member J-CASS (Jaded Cynical Ascerbic Sarcastic Skeptics) Notary Sojac & Retired Foo Fighter "Where there's foo, there's fire." Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 27, 2006 9:02 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Oh Please dont bring LaRouche up, that guy isNUTS ! [:0][;)] I wouldn't be TOO sure of that. I think that he is stagecraft designed (and funded) by the republicans, to plunder the democratic block. SOME of what La Rouche says is a truer true than anyone in the current power structure dare admit to. But , there is also just enough of a fringe lunacy to make certain that his appeal will be limited to the disaffected. Look at his history, they only pull him out of the box when the Dems are a serious threat. My take? I think it would serve the status quo right if the nut managed to get himself elected. He couldn't do a worse job of meeting my priorities than the last 6 presidents have anyway, so from where I stand there is little to lose. And it would serve the existing power structure right, let them be the one to have to endure bs stacked upon bs for a change...what goes around comes around. Reply Edit tatans Member sinceMay 2004 4,115 posts Posted by tatans on Saturday, May 27, 2006 9:50 AM Connect Alaska to the rest of North America ? ? Just how would that happen ? ? ? If I remember, isn't there another country between Alaska and the United States ? ? or would they use the Pacific Ocean Route, you know, on piles, like the Railway to the Florida keys. Would this other country maybe have a say in the construction of a foreign Railway across it's borders ? ? hmmmmm. Reply samfp1943 Member sinceJune 2003 From: South Central,Ks 7,170 posts Posted by samfp1943 on Saturday, May 27, 2006 1:11 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Oh Please dont bring LaRouche up, that guy isNUTS ! [:0][;)] I wouldn't be TOO sure of that. I think that he is stagecraft designed (and funded) by the republicans, to plunder the democratic block. SOME of what La Rouche says is a truer true than anyone in the current power structure dare admit to. But , there is also just enough of a fringe lunacy to make certain that his appeal will be limited to the disaffected. Look at his history, they only pull him out of the box when the Dems are a serious threat. My take? I think it would serve the status quo right if the nut managed to get himself elected. He couldn't do a worse job of meeting my priorities than the last 6 presidents have anyway, so from where I stand there is little to lose. And it would serve the existing power structure right, let them be the one to have to endure bs stacked upon bs for a change...what goes around comes around. GET YOUR ALUMINUM HATS RIGHT HERE!!!! http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/3906c0f98d07b010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html [alien][alien][alien][alien][alien][alien][alien] Scotty, get us out of here! Sam Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Thanks, that's one of the best jokes I've seen on this board!
QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey The Discovery Channel I believe it was that had the Bering Straits Bridge Idea and in another 'Extreme Engineering' version a tunnel under the Atlantic was also shown. In a tube suspended and tested against Nuclear Sub Collision designed for super sonic travel. Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers will be using it all the time no doubt! Still 100 years ago Colour TV would have not been considered possible or an SR71
Quentin
Nothing is more fairly distributed than common sense: no one thinks he needs more of it than he already has.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates Heh, in 2 words I can tell you all you need to know about this: Lyndon LaRouche Try running a google on World Land Bridge Eurasian Land Bridge Schiller Institute And have a good laugh Start here: http://www.schillerinstitute.org/economy/maps/maps3.html#bering%20straits And, if you want a good example of how extremist hacks seize emotional topics (high speed rail, Amtrak, expanding PRB coal access, Bering land bridge, etc) and use them to lead those willing to be mislead, have a lookie here http://larouchein2004.net/pdfs/economics/020906infra02.pdf
Have fun with your trains
"I Often Dream of Trains"-From the Album of the Same Name by Robyn Hitchcock
QUOTE: Originally posted by talbanese I know GWB was thinking about it, but he decide to "REFORM" SSI instead.
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Oh Please dont bring LaRouche up, that guy isNUTS ! [:0][;)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Oh Please dont bring LaRouche up, that guy isNUTS ! [:0][;)] I wouldn't be TOO sure of that. I think that he is stagecraft designed (and funded) by the republicans, to plunder the democratic block. SOME of what La Rouche says is a truer true than anyone in the current power structure dare admit to. But , there is also just enough of a fringe lunacy to make certain that his appeal will be limited to the disaffected. Look at his history, they only pull him out of the box when the Dems are a serious threat. My take? I think it would serve the status quo right if the nut managed to get himself elected. He couldn't do a worse job of meeting my priorities than the last 6 presidents have anyway, so from where I stand there is little to lose. And it would serve the existing power structure right, let them be the one to have to endure bs stacked upon bs for a change...what goes around comes around.
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