teenage graffiti idiot killed by CP train

[Anonymous]

sad every way you look at it. amazing there are not more such incidents.




crosstie

[MP173]

Hey, you know the kid was a TEENAGER. He made a mistake. He died for his mistake. That is tragic.

To say that he got what he deserved puts you in the position of being God. I dont think you are qualified. The value of life is far in excess of graffiti or graffiti free cars.

ed

[Anonymous]

The ugliness on this thread has nothing to do with graffiti. It is very sad that so many here have shown us how they think.

Larry

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mffisher

This is a very depressing thread. A life is lost and it becomes the basis for jokes? I hope that none of you, who find this hilarious, are parents who someday have to face a similar situation. Kids do dumb things, sometimes they get hurt or worse. Yes, I know life is hard, etc. Does this type of comment make it any easier?

Hey, if that was my kid messing in the back of the trains where they risk thier own dumb butts and come home alive... I will be the one to administer a punishment. And the beatings will continue until the trespassings stop. Once they hit 18, they are on own.

I have done some wild things in my day and lucky to get away with it. But truly, people who know that they put themselves at risk of injury or death for activity that is destructive and has little gain then... they deserved to be thinned out of the gene pool.

My feelings lie with those who had to respond to the emergency and to the parents who have to live with the fact that thier lost loved one died for absolutely no reason other than being somewhere where they should not be. Breaking a hole in the fence and getting into the property with alot of cans as reported by the article is pretty wuillful act of stupidity.

What a waste.

And what is really bad.... kids in the future will punch a hole in another fence and squirm into the railroad yard and eventually ANOTHER child will get hit and killed. Maybe we as a society shares some of the blame for not educating kids. I dont know.

I should not have typed anything further in this old thread.. but I have very strong feelings towards the value of life. There are some people who died trying to save others by going into harms way. This I have witnessed with own eyes as I am too cowardly in several instances due to the heat of the fire etc.. to do anything.

Life has value. We all must die someday. It is best to live it all and when it is time, we pass on. But NOT as a teen spraying some garbage on property that is fulled with danger and death. Grafitti can be erased just as easily as that life. Meaningless.

[AlcoRS11Nut]

Well......................awe..poor baby (does anyone detect my sarcasim? [;)][:D]).....................Darwin's Rule is Correct again

[espeefoamer]

Another Darwin Award winner!

[coborn35]

Wow....This thread is old. But who cares!
Its too bad.

[fuzzybroken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by MP173

To say that he got what he deserved puts you in the position of being God. I dont think you are qualified. The value of life is far in excess of graffiti or graffiti free cars.

ed

Well since you mentioned God...

He says "The wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23). So, let's see, we have destroying property, breaking and entering, trespassing, and vandalism... and plenty of intent to commit more! It's one thing to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, but doing wrong things in order to do more wrong things is just plain stupid.

Hopefully someone will learn from his mistakes!

-Mark
www.fuzzyworld3.com

[Anonymous]

I don't think the boy deserved to die, but certainly he knew what he was doing. If the fence had indeed deliberately been slashed by him and his friends, there could have been no way they didn't know that they were about to embark on an illegal trespass and violative act, lowering the worth of the CP's eqiupment.

This responsibility thing cuts both ways, I think. I he was old enough to be considered a man then he did indeed gamble (stupidly) with his life and lost.

If the poor wretch was still a boy, then where the deuce is a PARENT or parental figure at least??

A chain-link fence that has to be destroyed in order to enter a freight yard is hardly an "attractive nuisance" under the law.

This whole graffiti business is getting out of hand. I've just begun to assemble mini-photo albums with topics like Stacks and Steaks, Mainline, Fallen Flags and Faraway FIrms, and American Graffiti. I haven't completed any of the former books but I am already on volume 2 -- More American Graffiti! It is an outrage.

[kevikens]

Hey, guys, back off. We sometimes don't execute murderers for their crimes. The kid spray painted a freight car. I don't think that even in Singapore they kill taggers. I don't know about the moral character or intelligence of all railfans, but geeze, how many of us have done both stupid and illegal things as teenagers ( think about this) ? We got away with it, grew up and matured and have had families and successful lives. This kid is going to dead for a very long time and his family has suffered the worst pain a family can experience. I sure hope the general public never reads some of the stuff that has appeared in this thread.

[upchuck]

I hope his death doesn't make his "artwork" more valuable.

[vsmith]

The point here isnt whether the kid "deserved" death, its that he put himself into the crosshairs and got smacked! He's dead, and his friends and his family grieved. Now do you think for one minute, that his tagger friends realized that what he was doing was dangerous and stupid? I doubt it. I bet they were back at the same spot within a week.

Now am I supposed to feel sympathy for someone who intentionally risks their life over something so stupid as painting their name on the side of a boxcar?

No, no sympathy for him, or the idiots who die from trying to tag their name on a highway overpass, or tunnel portal or other dangerous location. Its the family that suffers as do those who have to respond to the emergency call, Those are the ones I feel sympathy for. But to knowingly and intentionally do something really stupid is just plain idiotic.

Are we "playing God" by saying he deserved this fate, NO, because it wasn't us personally pushing him into the path of the train or off the bridge, no, HE PUT HIMSELF there, he stepped into the crosshairs of his own free will and payed for it, in essence, he GOT the result of what his actions DICTATED. It was entirely of his own choice to do do the actions that ended his life, thats why my symapthy for the kid is nil. It wasn't an accident, it was due intentional actions that put this kid in the place where he died.

Call it Stupid, call it Fate, its certainly tragic for the family, but please dont expect me to feel sorrow for someone who intentionally jumps into the lioncage.

[alcodave]

So if it was your teenage son doing something stupid and getting killed would you tell your relatives that the idiot punk kid got what he deserved? I do agree that tagging freights is a crime and they were somewhere that they should not have been,but show some respect for a human life.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by alcodave

So if it was your teenage son doing something stupid and getting killed would you tell your relatives that the idiot punk kid got what he deserved? I do agree that tagging freights is a crime and they were somewhere that they should not have been,but show some respect for a human life.

All of my relatives would certainly be very disappointed in the boy deliberately putting himself into a postion where he might get hurt or killed. My family teaches things like obeying the crossing gates, staying out of areas where we dont belong and away from yards where equiptment can silently roll down the track and hit you.

If the child is brought up to respect the property and not engage in tagging then there is not any problem. But if the child disobeys the rules and gets injured or killed.... the entire family will go:

Aww that is just too bad. Now we gotta fix him up in the hospital or bury him. Life is like that.

Let me briefly explain something. I am trained in Hazmat for trucking. If I am in a situation where there is a incident developing with other people... I will NOT be the last man fleeing the scene. Anyone behind me who stumbles and calls for help will be left behind.

That is just the way it is.

There is somewhere a video of a European Train bearing down on a child playing chicken on these forums. You watch this video and then come back here and tell us if you still feel respect for this kid.

[IRONROOSTER]

Young people do not fully mature in their thought processes until they are about 25 years old. I note that several people have made reference to doing stupid things when they were young (I know I did). When I look back , I realize now that I could have been killed or very seriously injured. But at the time I had no real understanding of the dangers involved much less did I think about possible consequences of my actions. Fortunately most of us don't die from our stupidity.

I certainly am sorry that he was killed and my heart goes out to his parents who grieve over this tragedy.

Paul

[TomDiehl]

Unfortunately, the fathers of the idiots won't be kicking their butts, they'll be suing the railroads.

And the worst part is, they will probably win.

Talk about REWARDING stupidity.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Why does it seem that no matter how stupid the idiot...no matter how stupid the act...there is always some moron trashing the railroad?... We had a pair of teens hit by a bnsf train in the town where I lived in southern Colorado in 1999, one was killed...An eye witness saw the accident and said they were racing the train across the tracks. Yet, the public opinion was..."BAD, RAILROAD...BAD!" The same with the punk who got his art class cut short...somewhere someone is saying..."HOW DARE THAT TRAIN RUN ON PRIVATE PROPERTY ALL FENCED IN...SUCH A TEMPTATION" The real problem is in the court system! These punks should be made to scrub that filth off by hand for 20 hours each time they get caught.... not COUNCILING. no pitty here., except for the crews and emergency response teams.

[Anonymous]

eh, you guys act like this is the only person who has been killed,,,sure he was painting, stupid sure....but people who arent painting get killed by their own faults,,,,why dont you say how stupid they are...

For example; i recently saw this "terror on the rails" show. At the end, this 16 year old kid raced a train for more than half of a mile. He dodged the gates, and was struck by the train, killing his passenger, his younger sister. My thoughts "this kid is totally at fault, he deserves the feeling that he is the reason his sister died". It was becasue of his own actions that his sister was killed.

Of course, the next scene, his father started a campaign or something of that nature, to try and force railroad companies to put proper barriers on railroad crossings. He felt that it was metra's fault for only having barriers on half the road.

I was simply appauled. This kid knew that this train was unable to stop, it was his fault he was late for school. He knew the consiquences of his actions, yet of course, the father makes it out to be the railroads fault.

Ive lost track of why this relates to the writer getting killed, but that made me angry to watch the whole show.

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by alcodave

So if it was your teenage son doing something stupid and getting killed would you tell your relatives that the idiot punk kid got what he deserved? I do agree that tagging freights is a crime and they were somewhere that they should not have been,but show some respect for a human life.

If he was MY kid he wouldnt be hanging with taggers and if I found out he WAS, BOOM [:0]straight to the Moon Alice, Straight to the Moon!

As a parent I would make sure I knew who my kids friends were and what they were doing. Thats what my parents did and that exactly what most parents today DO NOT do. I would have layed down th LAW early with my kids, let them know EXACTLY what I expected in their behavior and what would happen if they ever tripped up. Just like my parents who said "we'll support you, be encouraging, help you with whatever endevor you want to try, but if you screw up and do something really stupid, dont expect us to bail you out! You have to learn actions in life has repercussions". Stearn but fair.

Its a high likelyhood that this kids parents didnt give a ratsass about the who's and what's. Kids need borders. Taggers are just a hairsbreath under being Gang Members, which I would never allow my kids to associate with, if I found out that inspite of my parental limits my kid was still associating with taggers or gangsters, Bada-boom-bada-bing! Its off to Catholic Military School in Nevada (You thought your DI in the Marines was tough ?, wait till you meet DI Master Sgt Sister Mary Margaret!!!!!! [:0][:0][:0][:0])