BackshopThe same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL.
In my local area, I am one of the few exceptions, that don't have solar cell arrays on their roof. I am not in California, I am in a near reactionary Republican county.
On my block there are several Class A motorhomes, a pelthora of pleasure boats including one 40+ foot Cigarette speed boat, a former military duce and a half - any number of dinosaur powered vehicles. I haven't seen any EV parked in the neighborhood.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Backshop The same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL.
The same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL.
It's worse than that. Shall I run through the litany I've heard over the years?
Oil is bad, coal is bad, natural gas is bad, solar panels are eyesores and the panel farms take up greenspace and windmills kill birds. Don't even bring up nuclear power or some folks will have human meltdowns.
I suppose saints Thomas Edison, Nicola Tesla, George Westinghouse, and Charles Steinmetz are supposed to send the juice down from Heaven. Or something.
I used to be a longtime member of the Appalachian Trail Conservancy. They were always preaching about wind and solar power. Then someone dared put up wind turbines within sight of the trail. They went crazy saying what an eyesore they were. Hypocrites.
Flintlock76 Backshop The same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL. It's worse than that. Shall I run through the litany I've heard over the years? Oil is bad, coal is bad, natural gas is bad, solar panels are eyesores and the panel farms take up greenspace and windmills kill birds. Don't even bring up nuclear power or some folks will have human meltdowns. I suppose saints Thomas Edison, Nicola Tesla, George Westinghouse, and Charles Steinmetz are supposed to send the juice down from Heaven. Or something.
Humans are bad! Says it all.
BaltACDHumans are bad! Says it all.
They've got an answer to that though!
The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement! Think I'm joking?
https://www.vhemt.org/
Good lord, are you even paying attention to world events? If the geopolitical costs of burning fossil fuels aren't apparent to you, you must be living in a cave.
Psychot Backshop The same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL. Good lord, are you even paying attention to world events? If the geopolitical costs of burning fossil fuels aren't apparent to you, you must be living in a cave.
Surely the answer is obvious on a forum largely populated by folks who are climate change minimizers or doubters and all that goes with that.
I'd go for nuclear plants, but they're against them, also.
Backshop Psychot Backshop The same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL. Good lord, are you even paying attention to world events? If the geopolitical costs of burning fossil fuels aren't apparent to you, you must be living in a cave. No, living in a nice 1700sf house, thank you. I just believe that people are pushing for the closure of fossil fuel plants when there isn't enough capacity of wind/solar to pick up the slack. Just like everyone is pushing EVs, when the charging infrastructure is basic. Things have to be brought along in step with each other. Also, the majority of pollution these days comes from countries like China, India and Brazil, which pollute to their heart's content. Because of this, they're driving our companies out of business due to lower costs. I'd go for nuclear plants, but they're against them, also.
No, living in a nice 1700sf house, thank you. I just believe that people are pushing for the closure of fossil fuel plants when there isn't enough capacity of wind/solar to pick up the slack. Just like everyone is pushing EVs, when the charging infrastructure is basic. Things have to be brought along in step with each other. Also, the majority of pollution these days comes from countries like China, India and Brazil, which pollute to their heart's content. Because of this, they're driving our companies out of business due to lower costs.
That's a fair point. And as you said, the solution is nuclear power. The tide is turning on nuclear, as environmentalists are slowly starting to realize that their climate goals will not be achieved without it. And recent geopolitical events have focused minds among politicians around the world.
Psychot Backshop Psychot Backshop The same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL. Good lord, are you even paying attention to world events? If the geopolitical costs of burning fossil fuels aren't apparent to you, you must be living in a cave. No, living in a nice 1700sf house, thank you. I just believe that people are pushing for the closure of fossil fuel plants when there isn't enough capacity of wind/solar to pick up the slack. Just like everyone is pushing EVs, when the charging infrastructure is basic. Things have to be brought along in step with each other. Also, the majority of pollution these days comes from countries like China, India and Brazil, which pollute to their heart's content. Because of this, they're driving our companies out of business due to lower costs. I'd go for nuclear plants, but they're against them, also. That's a fair point. And as you said, the solution is nuclear power. The tide is turning on nuclear, as environmentalists are slowly starting to realize that their climate goals will not be achieved without it. And recent geopolitical events have focused minds among politicians around the world.
All that, and the one-size-fits-all, we know it all, we know what's good for you attitudes.
PsychotThat's a fair point. And as you said, the solution is nuclear power. The tide is turning on nuclear, as environmentalists are slowly starting to realize that their climate goals will not be achieved without it.
To more than a few people, I think the issue isn't that they don't trust nuclear power, but they don't trust today's shareholder-driven cost cutting companies to operate a nuclear power plant.
I heard our local nuclear plant (since closed) really went to crap in its last years and changes of ownership. Pay for operators was absolute garbage.
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zugmann Psychot That's a fair point. And as you said, the solution is nuclear power. The tide is turning on nuclear, as environmentalists are slowly starting to realize that their climate goals will not be achieved without it. To more than a few people, I think the issue isn't that they don't trust nuclear power, but they don't trust today's shareholder-driven cost cutting companies to operate a nuclear power plant. I heard our local nuclear plant (since closed) really went to crap in its last years and changes of ownership. Pay for operators was absolute garbage.
Psychot That's a fair point. And as you said, the solution is nuclear power. The tide is turning on nuclear, as environmentalists are slowly starting to realize that their climate goals will not be achieved without it.
Operators at both Chernobyl and Three Mile Island performed a highly effective PR campaign AGAINST nuclear power generation.
Society has yet to develop a viable commercial use for the spent nuclear fuel, which to date just keeps growing.
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