Backshop BaltACD Backshop I guess that you're not familiar with the bridge. Bessemer & Lake Erie Railroad Bridge - Wikipedia I've passed it hundreds of times on the PA Turnpike - before the Turnpike Commission decided to make the Turnpike even more costly than gasoline. In comparison trips to Akron, using I-70, I-68, I-79, I-70, I-77 is only about 15 minutes slower, more photogenic and NO TOLLS My comment was directed more at Ulrich, since I don't think graffiti artists would be clambering on that bridge. The first time that I saw it in the mid 70s, we were on the Turnpike and there was a southbound ore train. I thought that would be a common occurence but I never again saw a train on it during my numrous trips.
BaltACD Backshop I guess that you're not familiar with the bridge. Bessemer & Lake Erie Railroad Bridge - Wikipedia I've passed it hundreds of times on the PA Turnpike - before the Turnpike Commission decided to make the Turnpike even more costly than gasoline. In comparison trips to Akron, using I-70, I-68, I-79, I-70, I-77 is only about 15 minutes slower, more photogenic and NO TOLLS
Backshop I guess that you're not familiar with the bridge. Bessemer & Lake Erie Railroad Bridge - Wikipedia
Bessemer & Lake Erie Railroad Bridge - Wikipedia
I've passed it hundreds of times on the PA Turnpike - before the Turnpike Commission decided to make the Turnpike even more costly than gasoline.
In comparison trips to Akron, using I-70, I-68, I-79, I-70, I-77 is only about 15 minutes slower, more photogenic and NO TOLLS
My comment was directed more at Ulrich, since I don't think graffiti artists would be clambering on that bridge. The first time that I saw it in the mid 70s, we were on the Turnpike and there was a southbound ore train. I thought that would be a common occurence but I never again saw a train on it during my numrous trips.
I was commuting between Akron & Baltimore for a number of years in the 1970's on a bi-weekly basis. Seeing trains on the bridge was a infrequent happening.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Today's news: Ford to lay off 8000 due to the requirement to build EV's.
The UAW President expects to lose 35000 jobs because the manufacture of EV's have fewer parts.
With every innovation there is an adjustment in the workforce. Anyone ready to go back to the horse and buggy?
Where's the electricity going to come from to juice all those EV's?
How about charging stations? They're still far from universal. And if you do find one if you need one plan on being there 20 minutes to a half-hour, assuming there isn't a line ahead of you. No five-minute gas n' go like the Exxon station. And plan on using up the battery charge faster if you're using the air conditioning or the heater.
How will those huge batteries be disposed of when they wear out? And they will. Speaking of the batteries, do we really want to keep buying lithium from China, a major polluter in their own right and who could care less?
Where's the funding going to come from for highway maintanance when the gas tax money isn't there?
And EV's are a lot heavier than gas cars are, so has anyone thought about used tire disposal? Tires will wear out sooner so there's going to be a lot more to get rid of. Speaking of weight don't plan on pushing that thing any great distance if you're battery's dead. Better have AAA on speed-dial.
Mind you, I'm not 100% against EV's, they do have uses in some applications but in my (and others opinions) they're not the panacea they're being presented as. They're going to have issues all their own. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
110 years ago:
Where's all the gasoline going to come from?
How about service stations?
How to dispose of those horseless buggies when they wear out? All that steel!!
How to pay for roads?
What to do with all those worn out tires?
Better get a horse, sonny,!!
charlie hebdo110 years ago: Where's all the gasoline going to come from? How about service stations? How to dispose of those horseless buggies when they wear out? All that steel!! How to pay for roads? What to do with all those worn out tires? Better get a horse, sonny,!!
140 years ago - what is all this unusuable liquid that is coming from refining crude oil into kerosene.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/a24666/how-the-amish-build-a-buggy/
I notice 'road apples' when I travel US 11/15 when going to race at Watkins Glen, NY.
Right now, my wife and I have two Subarus, which both get 30+mpg. I can see us getting a hybrid in the future. Right now, I don't see an electic vehicle being in our future since we do a lot of road trips.
Euclid Meanwhile we can completely eliminate present internal combustion private automobiles in just months or weeks.
charlie hebdo 110 years ago: Where's all the gasoline going to come from? How about service stations? How to dispose of those horseless buggies when they wear out? All that steel!! How to pay for roads? What to do with all those worn out tires? Better get a horse, sonny,!!
1. Gasolene was a waste byproduct of oil being refined into kerosene. No-one knew what to do with it until the gasolene engine came along other than to use it as a solvent.
2. 110 years ago? That's 1912. There were thousands of automobiles on the road by that time and filling stations had been established. If you couldn't get it at a filling station you could get it at the general store.
3. How to dispose of all those horseless buggys? Easy. They melted 'em down into more horseless buggys. Or during the 1940's they made tanks, ships, artillery, and other things useful at the time.
3. How to pay for roads? At first, drivers licences. Later, gas taxes. Later, tolls. Later, run screaming to Uncle Sugar. Just like a lot of people do now anyway for other things, like high-speed rail.
4. Worn out tires? We've still got the problem. And we'll still have it.
Get a horse? Imagine the pollution problem if the 90+ million cars on the road were 90+ million horses.
Your turn.
By the way, the answer to $4.00+ a gallon gasolene is not a $40,000 electric car, not if you're a person of limited means.
Flintlock76Get a horse? Imagine the pollution problem if the 90+ million cars on the road were 90+ million horses. Your turn.
My first response is ...NEIGH....
But seriously, I am 86 and living in a senior community and driving a 2008 GMC Envoy that has 58k miles on it. I am doubting whether I will ever buy a new car again. Driving less than a 1000 miles a year now. It is four wheel drive but lacks all the new safety tech (lane avoidance, back up camera, etc.) that I would like.
Also, I would have to have a charging station installed on our campus just for me. Not going to happen.
But I can dream...
Flintlock76... By the way, the answer to $4.00+ a gallon gasolene is not a $40,000 electric car, not if you're a person of limited means.
Locally, in the past 6 or so weeks price has gone from $5.01 for Regular down to a observed $4.19 today. How low it will go, remains to be seen.
Backshop Right now, my wife and I have two Subarus, which both get 30+mpg. I can see us getting a hybrid in the future. Right now, I don't see an electic vehicle being in our future since we do a lot of road trips.
Outbacks or Legacys? Our Camry Hybrid is coming to end of lease. Neither Subaru nor Toyota dealers here have any new cars on their lots. I lucked out to reserve a Venza that's due in in six weeks. Everything else is six months or more out. The only thing I don't like about our Outback is the slow response screen. Camry's been good with mpg in the 40's.
BaltACD Winter is coming..both here and in Europe. Expect oil prices to go up again, especially without Russian oil supplies to Europe. Flintlock76 ... By the way, the answer to $4.00+ a gallon gasolene is not a $40,000 electric car, not if you're a person of limited means. Locally, in the past 6 or so weeks price has gone from $5.01 for Regular down to a observed $4.19 today. How low it will go, remains to be seen.
Flintlock76 ... By the way, the answer to $4.00+ a gallon gasolene is not a $40,000 electric car, not if you're a person of limited means.
And what about farm equipment, construction equipment, trucks, Diesel locomotives, ships, aircraft...there are little or no electric alternatives for those.
"Trucking companies will have to raise their driver pay too. These pay raises for truckers and railroaders will have to be paid for by the shipping revenue."
There will always be an independent truck driver that will do it for less...especially immigrants-look at some of the names on the trucks.
Gramp Outbacks or Legacys?
Outbacks or Legacys?
The ranges are increasing dramatically. Even so, if you have two cars, replace one with a cheaper EV, use other for long trips if you aren't adventurous.
Flintlock76 charlie hebdo 110 years ago: Where's all the gasoline going to come from? How about service stations? How to dispose of those horseless buggies when they wear out? All that steel!! How to pay for roads? What to do with all those worn out tires? Better get a horse, sonny,!! 1. Gasolene was a waste byproduct of oil being refined into kerosene. No-one knew what to do with it until the gasolene engine came along other than to use it as a solvent. 2. 110 years ago? That's 1912. There were thousands of automobiles on the road by that time and filling stations had been established. If you couldn't get it at a filling station you could get it at the general store. 3. How to dispose of all those horseless buggys? Easy. They melted 'em down into more horseless buggys. Or during the 1940's they made tanks, ships, artillery, and other things useful at the time. 3. How to pay for roads? At first, drivers licences. Later, gas taxes. Later, tolls. Later, run screaming to Uncle Sugar. Just like a lot of people do now anyway for other things, like high-speed rail. 4. Worn out tires? We've still got the problem. And we'll still have it. Get a horse? Imagine the pollution problem if the 90+ million cars on the road were 90+ million horses. Your turn. By the way, the answer to $4.00+ a gallon gasolene is not a $40,000 electric car, not if you're a person of limited means.
I guess the sarcastic spoof was lost on you. I should have put a sign at front:
Achtung! Sarkasmus voraus!!
charlie hebdo Achtung! Sarkasmus voraus!!
Try "Achtung! Minen!" THAT I'll get!
charlie hebdo Backshop Right now, my wife and I have two Subarus, which both get 30+mpg. I can see us getting a hybrid in the future. Right now, I don't see an electic vehicle being in our future since we do a lot of road trips. The ranges are increasing dramatically. Even so, if you have two cars, replace one with a cheaper EV, use other for long trips if you aren't adventurous.
A Ford mechanic I've had as a client detailed me on what they've had to do to be able to service electric Mustangs at the dealership. An example of the cost and complexity, they're required to wear hazmat suits to work on the cars. What fools we mortals be.
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Concerning lack of charging stations: You guys are missing out on starting a new enterprise: little trailers with generators that you can pull with your electric cars when on long trips.
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Does anybody remember the original subject of this thread?
Paul of Covington Does anybody remember the original subject of this thread?
Top levels of management, in their mind, still think they can get as many employees as the need anytime they want them at somewhere near the lowest possible labor price. Reality bites.
The Board Room think the ONLY parties they have to satisfy is the shareholders, employees be damned. Reality bites.
That is PSR.
BaltACD The Board Room think the ONLY parties they have to satisfy is the shareholders, employees be damned. Reality bites.
That situation applies to a lot of other businesses besides railroads. It seems to be fallout from the leveraged buyout binge of the 1980's.
CSSHEGEWISCH BaltACD The Board Room think the ONLY parties they have to satisfy is the shareholders, employees be damned. Reality bites. That situation applies to a lot of other businesses besides railroads. It seems to be fallout from the leveraged buyout binge of the 1980's.
Bean counters only concern themselves with beans - norhing but beans matter.
azrail And what about farm equipment, construction equipment, trucks, Diesel locomotives, ships, aircraft...there are little or no electric alternatives for those.
The same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL.
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