zugmann Psychot That's a fair point. And as you said, the solution is nuclear power. The tide is turning on nuclear, as environmentalists are slowly starting to realize that their climate goals will not be achieved without it. To more than a few people, I think the issue isn't that they don't trust nuclear power, but they don't trust today's shareholder-driven cost cutting companies to operate a nuclear power plant. I heard our local nuclear plant (since closed) really went to crap in its last years and changes of ownership. Pay for operators was absolute garbage.
Psychot That's a fair point. And as you said, the solution is nuclear power. The tide is turning on nuclear, as environmentalists are slowly starting to realize that their climate goals will not be achieved without it.
To more than a few people, I think the issue isn't that they don't trust nuclear power, but they don't trust today's shareholder-driven cost cutting companies to operate a nuclear power plant.
I heard our local nuclear plant (since closed) really went to crap in its last years and changes of ownership. Pay for operators was absolute garbage.
Operators at both Chernobyl and Three Mile Island performed a highly effective PR campaign AGAINST nuclear power generation.
Society has yet to develop a viable commercial use for the spent nuclear fuel, which to date just keeps growing.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
PsychotThat's a fair point. And as you said, the solution is nuclear power. The tide is turning on nuclear, as environmentalists are slowly starting to realize that their climate goals will not be achieved without it.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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Psychot Backshop Psychot Backshop The same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL. Good lord, are you even paying attention to world events? If the geopolitical costs of burning fossil fuels aren't apparent to you, you must be living in a cave. No, living in a nice 1700sf house, thank you. I just believe that people are pushing for the closure of fossil fuel plants when there isn't enough capacity of wind/solar to pick up the slack. Just like everyone is pushing EVs, when the charging infrastructure is basic. Things have to be brought along in step with each other. Also, the majority of pollution these days comes from countries like China, India and Brazil, which pollute to their heart's content. Because of this, they're driving our companies out of business due to lower costs. I'd go for nuclear plants, but they're against them, also. That's a fair point. And as you said, the solution is nuclear power. The tide is turning on nuclear, as environmentalists are slowly starting to realize that their climate goals will not be achieved without it. And recent geopolitical events have focused minds among politicians around the world.
Backshop Psychot Backshop The same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL. Good lord, are you even paying attention to world events? If the geopolitical costs of burning fossil fuels aren't apparent to you, you must be living in a cave. No, living in a nice 1700sf house, thank you. I just believe that people are pushing for the closure of fossil fuel plants when there isn't enough capacity of wind/solar to pick up the slack. Just like everyone is pushing EVs, when the charging infrastructure is basic. Things have to be brought along in step with each other. Also, the majority of pollution these days comes from countries like China, India and Brazil, which pollute to their heart's content. Because of this, they're driving our companies out of business due to lower costs. I'd go for nuclear plants, but they're against them, also.
Psychot Backshop The same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL. Good lord, are you even paying attention to world events? If the geopolitical costs of burning fossil fuels aren't apparent to you, you must be living in a cave.
Backshop The same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL.
The same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL.
Good lord, are you even paying attention to world events? If the geopolitical costs of burning fossil fuels aren't apparent to you, you must be living in a cave.
No, living in a nice 1700sf house, thank you. I just believe that people are pushing for the closure of fossil fuel plants when there isn't enough capacity of wind/solar to pick up the slack. Just like everyone is pushing EVs, when the charging infrastructure is basic. Things have to be brought along in step with each other. Also, the majority of pollution these days comes from countries like China, India and Brazil, which pollute to their heart's content. Because of this, they're driving our companies out of business due to lower costs.
I'd go for nuclear plants, but they're against them, also.
That's a fair point. And as you said, the solution is nuclear power. The tide is turning on nuclear, as environmentalists are slowly starting to realize that their climate goals will not be achieved without it. And recent geopolitical events have focused minds among politicians around the world.
All that, and the one-size-fits-all, we know it all, we know what's good for you attitudes.
Surely the answer is obvious on a forum largely populated by folks who are climate change minimizers or doubters and all that goes with that.
BaltACDHumans are bad! Says it all.
They've got an answer to that though!
The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement! Think I'm joking?
https://www.vhemt.org/
Flintlock76 Backshop The same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL. It's worse than that. Shall I run through the litany I've heard over the years? Oil is bad, coal is bad, natural gas is bad, solar panels are eyesores and the panel farms take up greenspace and windmills kill birds. Don't even bring up nuclear power or some folks will have human meltdowns. I suppose saints Thomas Edison, Nicola Tesla, George Westinghouse, and Charles Steinmetz are supposed to send the juice down from Heaven. Or something.
It's worse than that. Shall I run through the litany I've heard over the years?
Oil is bad, coal is bad, natural gas is bad, solar panels are eyesores and the panel farms take up greenspace and windmills kill birds. Don't even bring up nuclear power or some folks will have human meltdowns.
I suppose saints Thomas Edison, Nicola Tesla, George Westinghouse, and Charles Steinmetz are supposed to send the juice down from Heaven. Or something.
Humans are bad! Says it all.
I used to be a longtime member of the Appalachian Trail Conservancy. They were always preaching about wind and solar power. Then someone dared put up wind turbines within sight of the trail. They went crazy saying what an eyesore they were. Hypocrites.
BackshopThe same people pushing for EVs are also the ones saying fossil fuels are bad. Coal and oil was one thing but now they don't even like natural gas. They better put up a wind turbine in their backyard and solar panels on their roof or they're going to be SOL.
In my local area, I am one of the few exceptions, that don't have solar cell arrays on their roof. I am not in California, I am in a near reactionary Republican county.
On my block there are several Class A motorhomes, a pelthora of pleasure boats including one 40+ foot Cigarette speed boat, a former military duce and a half - any number of dinosaur powered vehicles. I haven't seen any EV parked in the neighborhood.
azrail And what about farm equipment, construction equipment, trucks, Diesel locomotives, ships, aircraft...there are little or no electric alternatives for those.
And what about farm equipment, construction equipment, trucks, Diesel locomotives, ships, aircraft...there are little or no electric alternatives for those.
CSSHEGEWISCH BaltACD The Board Room think the ONLY parties they have to satisfy is the shareholders, employees be damned. Reality bites. That situation applies to a lot of other businesses besides railroads. It seems to be fallout from the leveraged buyout binge of the 1980's.
BaltACD The Board Room think the ONLY parties they have to satisfy is the shareholders, employees be damned. Reality bites.
That situation applies to a lot of other businesses besides railroads. It seems to be fallout from the leveraged buyout binge of the 1980's.
Bean counters only concern themselves with beans - norhing but beans matter.
Paul of Covington Does anybody remember the original subject of this thread?
Top levels of management, in their mind, still think they can get as many employees as the need anytime they want them at somewhere near the lowest possible labor price. Reality bites.
The Board Room think the ONLY parties they have to satisfy is the shareholders, employees be damned. Reality bites.
That is PSR.
Does anybody remember the original subject of this thread?
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Concerning lack of charging stations: You guys are missing out on starting a new enterprise: little trailers with generators that you can pull with your electric cars when on long trips.
https://www.trains.com
works here?
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A Ford mechanic I've had as a client detailed me on what they've had to do to be able to service electric Mustangs at the dealership. An example of the cost and complexity, they're required to wear hazmat suits to work on the cars. What fools we mortals be.
charlie hebdo Backshop Right now, my wife and I have two Subarus, which both get 30+mpg. I can see us getting a hybrid in the future. Right now, I don't see an electic vehicle being in our future since we do a lot of road trips. The ranges are increasing dramatically. Even so, if you have two cars, replace one with a cheaper EV, use other for long trips if you aren't adventurous.
Backshop Right now, my wife and I have two Subarus, which both get 30+mpg. I can see us getting a hybrid in the future. Right now, I don't see an electic vehicle being in our future since we do a lot of road trips.
Right now, my wife and I have two Subarus, which both get 30+mpg. I can see us getting a hybrid in the future. Right now, I don't see an electic vehicle being in our future since we do a lot of road trips.
The ranges are increasing dramatically. Even so, if you have two cars, replace one with a cheaper EV, use other for long trips if you aren't adventurous.
charlie hebdo Achtung! Sarkasmus voraus!!
Try "Achtung! Minen!" THAT I'll get!
Flintlock76 charlie hebdo 110 years ago: Where's all the gasoline going to come from? How about service stations? How to dispose of those horseless buggies when they wear out? All that steel!! How to pay for roads? What to do with all those worn out tires? Better get a horse, sonny,!! 1. Gasolene was a waste byproduct of oil being refined into kerosene. No-one knew what to do with it until the gasolene engine came along other than to use it as a solvent. 2. 110 years ago? That's 1912. There were thousands of automobiles on the road by that time and filling stations had been established. If you couldn't get it at a filling station you could get it at the general store. 3. How to dispose of all those horseless buggys? Easy. They melted 'em down into more horseless buggys. Or during the 1940's they made tanks, ships, artillery, and other things useful at the time. 3. How to pay for roads? At first, drivers licences. Later, gas taxes. Later, tolls. Later, run screaming to Uncle Sugar. Just like a lot of people do now anyway for other things, like high-speed rail. 4. Worn out tires? We've still got the problem. And we'll still have it. Get a horse? Imagine the pollution problem if the 90+ million cars on the road were 90+ million horses. Your turn. By the way, the answer to $4.00+ a gallon gasolene is not a $40,000 electric car, not if you're a person of limited means.
charlie hebdo 110 years ago: Where's all the gasoline going to come from? How about service stations? How to dispose of those horseless buggies when they wear out? All that steel!! How to pay for roads? What to do with all those worn out tires? Better get a horse, sonny,!!
110 years ago:
Where's all the gasoline going to come from?
How about service stations?
How to dispose of those horseless buggies when they wear out? All that steel!!
How to pay for roads?
What to do with all those worn out tires?
Better get a horse, sonny,!!
1. Gasolene was a waste byproduct of oil being refined into kerosene. No-one knew what to do with it until the gasolene engine came along other than to use it as a solvent.
2. 110 years ago? That's 1912. There were thousands of automobiles on the road by that time and filling stations had been established. If you couldn't get it at a filling station you could get it at the general store.
3. How to dispose of all those horseless buggys? Easy. They melted 'em down into more horseless buggys. Or during the 1940's they made tanks, ships, artillery, and other things useful at the time.
3. How to pay for roads? At first, drivers licences. Later, gas taxes. Later, tolls. Later, run screaming to Uncle Sugar. Just like a lot of people do now anyway for other things, like high-speed rail.
4. Worn out tires? We've still got the problem. And we'll still have it.
Get a horse? Imagine the pollution problem if the 90+ million cars on the road were 90+ million horses.
Your turn.
By the way, the answer to $4.00+ a gallon gasolene is not a $40,000 electric car, not if you're a person of limited means.
I guess the sarcastic spoof was lost on you. I should have put a sign at front:
Achtung! Sarkasmus voraus!!
Gramp Outbacks or Legacys?
Outbacks or Legacys?
"Trucking companies will have to raise their driver pay too. These pay raises for truckers and railroaders will have to be paid for by the shipping revenue."
There will always be an independent truck driver that will do it for less...especially immigrants-look at some of the names on the trucks.
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