RKFarms "But having a degree in something solid like engineeering nevertheless speaks volumes about the person who has it.. I'll sum it up: 1) you're intelligent.. (can't get one if you're dumb) 2) you're mechanically inclined.. again.. can't get that degree if you're not." I don't mean to be disrespectful and I forgot who wrote this, but it made me laugh. I spent over 25 years in industrial maintenance in the Subaru plant Lafayette IN and a LOT of my time was fixing or modifying equipment designed by engineers with degrees and making it work so the associates could build cars. Again, NOT dissing anyone. Why are people leaving work? I did, it was a good paying job but management was a PITA, some of the comments about RR management sound familiar. Would I go back? They couldn't afford me now. My farm is almost paid for, rents and land values are up and we have enough coming in to be comfortable. If people can get by, why put up with management BS and crappy working conditions? I hope it gets to the point where more vakue is placed on workers and a LOT less on share value. I guess we'll see. PR
"But having a degree in something solid like engineeering nevertheless speaks volumes about the person who has it.. I'll sum it up: 1) you're intelligent.. (can't get one if you're dumb) 2) you're mechanically inclined.. again.. can't get that degree if you're not."
I don't mean to be disrespectful and I forgot who wrote this, but it made me laugh. I spent over 25 years in industrial maintenance in the Subaru plant Lafayette IN and a LOT of my time was fixing or modifying equipment designed by engineers with degrees and making it work so the associates could build cars. Again, NOT dissing anyone.
Why are people leaving work? I did, it was a good paying job but management was a PITA, some of the comments about RR management sound familiar. Would I go back? They couldn't afford me now. My farm is almost paid for, rents and land values are up and we have enough coming in to be comfortable. If people can get by, why put up with management BS and crappy working conditions? I hope it gets to the point where more vakue is placed on workers and a LOT less on share value. I guess we'll see.
PR
I said that.. if you doubt me crack open an engineering textbook and work out some problems in advanced fluid mechanics.. Sure, not everything they come up with works perfectly.. but alot of stuff comes pretty darn close..
wjstix Yes I was going to reference the same John Oliver report re 300% turnover of truckers due to their horrific employment conditions. BTW re college education...one thing they don't tell you is that although getting a degree might open up say 10% of the jobs in the job market that you couldn't otherwise get, once you get the degree something like 50% of jobs are no longer available to you. In my twenties I had many job interviews where I was told I would have been hired - if only I didn't have a college degree.
Yes I was going to reference the same John Oliver report re 300% turnover of truckers due to their horrific employment conditions.
BTW re college education...one thing they don't tell you is that although getting a degree might open up say 10% of the jobs in the job market that you couldn't otherwise get, once you get the degree something like 50% of jobs are no longer available to you. In my twenties I had many job interviews where I was told I would have been hired - if only I didn't have a college degree.
I've never had anyone ask about my education.. because I steered every hiring conversation around to "what I can do for you?". I realized early on that nobody cares about credentials and degrees.. irs all about what can you do for me today! One caveat.. its important to be speaking to the owner of the biz or someone with some skin in the game.. no point in interviewing with HR people..
UlrichOne caveat.. its important to be speaking to the owner of the biz or someone with some skin in the game.. no point in interviewing with HR people..
But it's not 1960 anymore.
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zugmann Ulrich One caveat.. its important to be speaking to the owner of the biz or someone with some skin in the game.. no point in interviewing with HR people.. But it's not 1960 anymore.
Ulrich One caveat.. its important to be speaking to the owner of the biz or someone with some skin in the game.. no point in interviewing with HR people..
I know.. I wasn't around in 1960.. works well today..
UlrichI know.. I wasn't around in 1960.. works well today..
When's the last time you applied for a job with a bigger corporation?
zugmann Ulrich I know.. I wasn't around in 1960.. works well today.. When's the last time you applied for a job with a bigger corporation?
Ulrich I know.. I wasn't around in 1960.. works well today..
1996 - Irving Transportation Group
Ulrich1996 - Irving Transportation Group
That was a bit ago. Now most interviews aren't even done in person.
zugmann Ulrich 1996 - Irving Transportation Group That was a bit ago. Now most interviews aren't even done in person.
Ulrich 1996 - Irving Transportation Group
You're right.. 1996 is a long time ago.. I think if I were looking for work today I'd have a hard time unless its a small business.. Also depends on the business and job too...
I'm not sure how important networking is these days, but the last two jobs I got were from people knowing I was available, and they reached out to me. I was surprised both times.. I never really thought networking was anything more than business school nonsense. And had I simply "applied" I likely would have been turned down flat by HR. Networking effectively allowed me to shortcircuit the hiring process by getting to a decision maker who was looking for someone..
So what you're saying is that brown-nosing works? And that it's not about what you can do, it's about who you know?
The other 99% of us don't have such an advantage when it comes to applying for jobs at large companies.
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SD70Dude So what you're saying is that brown-nosing works? And that it's not about what you can do, it's about who you know? The other 99% of us don't have such an advantage when it comes to applying for jobs at large companies.
Networking..let's say you're out of work and out of the blue someone you've worked with before calls you and expresses an interest in hiring you.. Another example..my nephew Paul recently got hired by Amazon in Los Angeles.. he was contacted through his network of college classmates..hired without even sending a resume or applying. I guess if (heaven forbid at this late stage in my life) I found myself out if work someone in my network would reach out to me..That's not brown nosing..If you suddenly lost your job at CN no one would come knocking on your door? "Hey Bob, I hear you might be looking for something and I happen to know of something that would fit your profile".. That's not brown nosing..If you're any good at all people are going be seeking you out as soon s they hear you may be available.
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