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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Monday, June 20, 2016 3:38 PM

Yes passing a livestock truck could result in your car needing to go to a car wash and if you forgot to roll your windows up when one passed you, it could have been a bigger problem. However, I have never forgotten standing on the platform at Grafton while taking the B&O's National Limited and watching it being serviced and someone did not heed the DO NOT FLUSH WHILE STANDING IN STATION sign. Felt sorry for the car knockers and others. AT least the retention toilets have cured that issue. As Amtrak found out after some boaters under a bridge got dumped on by a passing train with heritage equipment. This could be a subject for a new thread.

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Posted by NDG on Monday, June 20, 2016 4:46 PM

Thank You for the info on the other uses for an upper class car when not in horse service, and they could be Expedited on a Psgr right to down town on the same train cast was on?

 A few of these 36 foot Stock Cars lasted into the 1980's used for transporting treated ties from tie plants to on-line sites for betterment work. Arch Bars replaced by then.

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_rolling/273365.jpg

Treated ties and timbers messed up a car's interior due to oozing preservatives on hot summer days, making the car unusable for 'cleaner' commodities.  Using a stock car 'saved' a box car, and the stock cars were on the rolling doomed list by then, their stock days over.

Slats allowed the tie cargo to breathe and made for a less gassy interior when peddling ties by hand from a slow-moving MoW train. Gons worked better for tie unloading and were easier to load, EXCEPT when they used one of the then new Mill Gons with 5 foot sides for transport to site.

Unloading ties by HAND from a moving 5-foot mill gondola on a hot summer day along the marshes of the Upper Columbia has to be experienced, surrounded by Mosquitoes. ( The corporate Device on the A Units should have been the Mosquito, as it definitely defines it's domain, rather than the Beaver ).

One good thing tho' as one was fully dressed with sweatshirt to combat Mosquitoes, the clothing also protected the skin from the Creosote burns. Nasty!!

A treated No. 1 tie is heavy! and messy, and has sharp edges.
 
A guy always forgot and wiped the sweat off his face with a Creosoted glove.

When unloading, the Trainman has to be in or on the car to signal Engineer if they have to stop, or speed up between unloading areas.

'Modern' stock car as built.

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_rolling/277176.jpg

Rebuilt from box car 1966.

http://yourrailwaypictures.com/oldrollingstock/27077.jpg

Some stock cars had two levels for sheep, etc.

http://lariverrailroads.com/freight_car/gn3328.jpg

When in stock service, the cars were cleaned between trips, for health and Tare Wt. and limed. In cold weather cardboard would be used to close up slats.

No one misses stock cars nor their uses.

No one misses Reefers in Meat Service.

No one misses the WAG Hide Cars, at all.

Thank You.

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, June 20, 2016 4:57 PM

B&O hauled hogs into Highlandtown, MD into the mid 70's for SK Meat Packing.

The meat distribution industry changed and the railroads provided what the customer wanted and didn't provide what they didn't want.  The meat industry didn't want to transport livestock anymore and the livestock cars went away. 

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Posted by NP Eddie on Monday, June 20, 2016 5:04 PM

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The changing meat processing market caused livestock to be processed near the place of slaughter. I remember one cattle move after the 1970 merger and that was it. Two cars of cattle came from Willmar to the CNW in Minneapolis, only to be told that the CNW accepted cattle at Sioux City or Omaha only, so the car was returned to Willmar. I worked an afternoon inbound clerking job at X-GN Minneapolis Junction. All the waybills were housed there. The BN learned a lot from the PC debacle---keep all waybills in a central location and messenger the bills and wheel reports to the trains

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Posted by greyhounds on Monday, June 20, 2016 6:46 PM

A steer or heifer ready for slaughter will drop 100 pounds or so during the first 24 hours of transport.  Since the owner of said bovine has just spent a lot of time, effort and money putting weight on the critter, this is troublesome.  Normal slaughter weight for live cattle is around 1,200 pounds, so a 100 pound loss is significant.

The solution is to greatly limit live transport and minimize the weight loss.  A steer or heifer will normally get two truck rides in its life.  One from the cow and calf operation (ranch) where it is bred and born to a feed lot.  The second from the feed lot to the slaughterhouse.  

Keeping both transport operations as short as possible is both humane and profitable.  The large cattle plants supplying most of the US beef are mostly located in Nebraska, Kansas, and the Texas panhandle.  (OK, they slaughter old dairy cows and cattle in other places.  But the concentration is in NE, KS and TX.)  That's where the cattle are bred, born, raised, fed to weight, and slaughtered.

The railroad opportunity is in moving the slaughtered meat, not the live cattle.  (Or hogs, or sheep, whatever.)

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, June 20, 2016 7:47 PM

While shipping animals long distance by rail in the US has stopped.  There is a large business in transporting sheep from Austrailia to the Middle East.

http://www.aph.gov.au/binaries/senate/committee/history/animalwelfare_ctte/export_live_sheep/03ch3.pdf

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Posted by azrail on Tuesday, June 21, 2016 1:56 PM

Most of the beef processed by the big packers -Tyson, JBS, etc-is shipped out as large cuts in boxes to the local grocers and butchers, who do the final cuts-chops, filets, T-bones, etc.

When the stock cars went away, so did the meat reefers, which shipped beef as sides hooked to rails inside the cars. A lot of those reefers were still wood (on steel underframes) and lasted into the early 70s.

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Posted by schlimm on Thursday, June 23, 2016 8:57 AM

Cattle Inventory 2015

US total 89,800,000

Rank

State

2015

% Of U.S.

1

Texas

11,800,000

13.14%

2

Nebraska

6,300,000

7.02%

3

Kansas

6,000,000

6.68%

4

California

5,150,000

5.73%

5

Oklahoma

4,600,000

5.12%

6

Missouri

4,000,000

4.45%

7

Iowa

3,900,000

4.34%

8

South Dakota

3,700,000

4.12%

9

Wisconsin

3,500,000

3.90%

10

Colorado

2,600,000

2.90%

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Posted by greyhounds on Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:11 AM

And here's the cattle slaughtered by state in 2015.  As you may see, Nebraska, Kansas and Texas account for 61% of the US beef production. They kill 'em where they raise 'em now and avoid long haul live transport as much as they can.

    State                                                 Head                  Percent of US   

Nebraska
6,552,171
 
23%
Kansas
5,678,665
 
20%
Texas
5,042,407
 
18%
Colorado
2,345,810
 
8%
California
1,181,631
 
4%
Wisconsin
1,116,336
 
4%
Washington
1,007,851
 
4%
Pennsylvania
941,523
 
3%
Arizona
542,458
 
2%
Utah
537,130
 
2%

 The Union Pacific has several large cattle processing plants located along its main line between Omaha and North Platte.  And on line at Dakota City, NE. And at Ft. Morgan and Greeley, CO.  The railroad makes no effort to develop the beef business.  It almost entirely moves by truck.

This irritates me.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:21 AM

Railroads were once also known for carrying poultry. Poultry, of course, requires much more attention than say, pigs or cows; and the poultry cars were crewed by some poor soul to clean the car, cull any dead birds, as well as feed and water them- all on his lonesome.

It's no wonder railroads gave it up once reliable highway transportation and refrigeration came into play. I think we can all agree that this was for the best.

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Posted by Los Angeles Rams Guy on Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:41 PM

greyhounds

And here's the cattle slaughtered by state in 2015.  As you may see, Nebraska, Kansas and Texas account for 61% of the US beef production. They kill 'em where they raise 'em now and avoid long haul live transport as much as they can.

    State                                                 Head                  Percent of US   

Nebraska
6,552,171
 
23%
Kansas
5,678,665
 
20%
Texas
5,042,407
 
18%
Colorado
2,345,810
 
8%
California
1,181,631
 
4%
Wisconsin
1,116,336
 
4%
Washington
1,007,851
 
4%
Pennsylvania
941,523
 
3%
Arizona
542,458
 
2%
Utah
537,130
 
2%

 The Union Pacific has several large cattle processing plants located along its main line between Omaha and North Platte.  And on line at Dakota City, NE. And at Ft. Morgan and Greeley, CO.  The railroad makes no effort to develop the beef business.  It almost entirely moves by truck.

This irritates me.

 

Very irritating to say the least.  I think it shows a lack of initiative on Marketing's part or at the very least an unwillingness to look at some of the different options out there that they could capitalize on.

FWIW, I still think there's some opportunities with livestock by rail as well although even I'll admit those opportunities are limited. 

 

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Posted by Ulrich on Thursday, June 23, 2016 1:57 PM

To answer the OP's question.. they had to stop the trains occasionally to allow the critters to get on and off. 

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Posted by schlimm on Thursday, June 23, 2016 1:59 PM

greyhounds

And here's the cattle slaughtered by state in 2015.  As you may see, Nebraska, Kansas and Texas account for 61% of the US beef production. They kill 'em where they raise 'em now and avoid long haul live transport as much as they can.

    State                                                 Head                  Percent of US   

Nebraska
6,552,171
 
23%
Kansas
5,678,665
 
20%
Texas
5,042,407
 
18%
Colorado
2,345,810
 
8%
California
1,181,631
 
4%
Wisconsin
1,116,336
 
4%
Washington
1,007,851
 
4%
Pennsylvania
941,523
 
3%
Arizona
542,458
 
2%
Utah
537,130
 
2%

 The Union Pacific has several large cattle processing plants located along its main line between Omaha and North Platte.  And on line at Dakota City, NE. And at Ft. Morgan and Greeley, CO.  The railroad makes no effort to develop the beef business.  It almost entirely moves by truck.

This irritates me.

 

Agreed.  Not sure what the reason is, but Nebraska slaughtered more cattle than their inventories, while TX slaughtered far less than theirs.

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Posted by greyhounds on Friday, June 24, 2016 10:25 PM

schlimm

 

 
greyhounds

And here's the cattle slaughtered by state in 2015.  As you may see, Nebraska, Kansas and Texas account for 61% of the US beef production. They kill 'em where they raise 'em now and avoid long haul live transport as much as they can.

    State                                                 Head                  Percent of US   

Nebraska
6,552,171
 
23%
Kansas
5,678,665
 
20%
Texas
5,042,407
 
18%
Colorado
2,345,810
 
8%
California
1,181,631
 
4%
Wisconsin
1,116,336
 
4%
Washington
1,007,851
 
4%
Pennsylvania
941,523
 
3%
Arizona
542,458
 
2%
Utah
537,130
 
2%

 The Union Pacific has several large cattle processing plants located along its main line between Omaha and North Platte.  And on line at Dakota City, NE. And at Ft. Morgan and Greeley, CO.  The railroad makes no effort to develop the beef business.  It almost entirely moves by truck.

This irritates me.

 

 

 

Agreed.  Not sure what the reason is, but Nebraska slaughtered more cattle than their inventories, while TX slaughtered far less than theirs.

 

Yes, the numbers tell a story, but there is always more to the story.

Look at the cattle populations of Iowa and South Dakota.  They're in the top 10 states for cattle population.  Then do some more digging and realize that there are no major cattle slaughter facilities in either Iowa or South Dakota.  But those states do border the number one beef slaughter state, Nebraska.  It's a short truck haul to a beef plant in Nebraska.

For example, Tyson has a huge beef facility in Dakota City, NE.  It's located in the north east tip of Nebraska.  Just a few miles from both Iowa and South Dakota.  It's the miles that matter, not the state lines.

Same with Texas and Oklahoma.  Those are big places.  The large beef plants in Kansas are just over the state line.  In fact, Liberal, KS is on the state line.

There's always more to the story.

And it still irritates me that the railroads don't haul a good bit of the killed beef.  It moves in large volumes long distances to human population centers on the east and west coasts.

 

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