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Holy Cheeses, this ain't no shakabox.

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, July 7, 2007 9:13 AM

 SteamFreak wrote:
I don't know if soap and water is enough to remove mold release. I generally used a solvent like Bestine to degrease the parts.

Nelson,

I've used Ivory dishwasing liquid and warm water on my Sylvan resin car kits and it works just fine.

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Posted by exPalaceDog on Saturday, July 7, 2007 9:12 AM
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Have at it, Chip!  Give it your best shot and enjoy!

F&C comes here to NE Ohio every year in October for the NMRA Divison #4 train show.  They sell their kits buy one, get one free.  I've been tempted to try one but haven't as of yet.  Those short PRR flat cars ought to look nice when completed.

Chip, I'll be interested in how you like putting them together.  If they end up bustin' your chops, I'll be glad to buy them off of you and take a crack at them myself.  If you end up enjoying them, let me know.  I can keep my eye out for any kits that your are interested in at the show in October.

Make sure you add the wood planking on top of the cars... 

Tom

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http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F23-E442738A.gif&sel=flat&sz=sm&fr=

The above equipment diagrams seem to indicate that the cars had steel floors. So wood planking might not be appropriate for all F23 flat cars.

Have fun

 

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Posted by orsonroy on Saturday, July 7, 2007 7:01 AM
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Mark,

I think Ray does.  He's a scratch-buildin'/kit bashin' junkie.  Just check the [train] lines in his forearms...

Tom

He he he....no "track marks" Tom; I've just got itty bitty rivets stuck where they really don't belong!

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Posted by orsonroy on Saturday, July 7, 2007 6:57 AM
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Chip,

Wadda ya complaining about? These are possibly the simplest resin kits out there...After that, try something REALLY challenging, like a flat kit for an ex-NYC boxcar turned into a rider car: 106 grabs!


VERY nice looking model, Ray, all 106 grabs of it!. Who makes the kit?

Cheers,

Mark.

Hi Mark,

It's a private stock kit from one of the pattern makers from Sunshine. I'm trying to get it released as a production kit through the NKPHTS, but it's slow going (it'll happen, but who the heck knows when)

I've taken the "core" of this car (ends and underframe) and tuned it into a NYC/NKP boxcar kit with new sides and roof. That one will likely get released first!

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Posted by Gandy Dancer on Saturday, July 7, 2007 12:59 AM
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After that, try something REALLY challenging, like a flat kit for an ex-NYC boxcar turned into a rider car: 106 grabs!
And then a wooden (LaBelle type not resin) stock car.  I started an HOn3 about 5 years ago.  Finally getting close to being done.
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Posted by SteamFreak on Friday, July 6, 2007 11:43 PM

Welcome to the wonderful world of urethane, Chip. Sign - Welcome [#welcome]

I agree with Ray; a flat car is the perfect place to start your resin building career. As was stated before, fine resin parts can be more brittle than styrene, depending on the type of urethane used, so be careful.

I don't know if soap and water is enough to remove mold release. I generally used a solvent like Bestine to degrease the parts.

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Posted by tstage on Friday, July 6, 2007 11:35 PM

Mark,

I think Ray does.  He's a scratch-buildin'/kit bashin' junkie.  Just check the [train] lines in his forearms...

Tom

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Posted by marknewton on Friday, July 6, 2007 10:42 PM
 orsonroy wrote:

Chip,

Wadda ya complaining about? These are possibly the simplest resin kits out there...After that, try something REALLY challenging, like a flat kit for an ex-NYC boxcar turned into a rider car: 106 grabs!


VERY nice looking model, Ray, all 106 grabs of it!. Who makes the kit?

Cheers,

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Posted by R. T. POTEET on Friday, July 6, 2007 9:51 PM
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. . . . . . . . . . Make rubber molds of everything and replicate a string of a hundred . . . . . . . . . .

This is somewhat what I have in mind doing but just a little different.

One of the first articles I remember encountering on the use of RTV involved a modeler who wanted/needed a large number of boxcars of a non-commercially available variety; he took somebody's shake-the-box boxcar, spliced two together to give him a 'close' representation of his prototype, constructed a mold and then cast dozens of these for his use.  I am giving heady consideration to doing this same thing in N Scale only I want to create a non-prototype prototype unique to my house road.  

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Posted by R. T. POTEET on Friday, July 6, 2007 9:11 PM
 Railphotog wrote:

It's called modeling.   As in railroad modeling.  As opposed to model railroad purchasing.


That's what it's called!!!

I am sure that somewhere on that box - I have never assembled one of the F&Cs - it says 'ltc' and that don't stand for 'let's try chicken'; I tried assembling somebody's wood kit one time way back in my HO Scale days and I even purchased a pair of Central Valley trucks and good ole' Kadees to go with it. An acquaintance of mine always had one of these 'Craftsman Kits' under construction - he made it look so easy!!! - and I couldn't resist the temptation to order one from Walthers and have-at-it. Perhaps if patience were one of my long suits I would have fared better; anyway when I vacated HO Scale for N Scale almost ten years after my original purchase I still hadn't finished it; eventually I boxed it up and mailed it to this acquaintance, who, I guess, did finish it.  After that fiasco I settled on 'shake-the-box'.

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Posted by reklein on Friday, July 6, 2007 7:25 PM
Make rubber molds of everything and replicate a string of a hundred. You must master the resin kit before you move on Grasshoppa. Actually what model maker51 said seems to be the most reasonable approach.
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Posted by NevinW on Friday, July 6, 2007 7:13 PM
Space Mouse:

Once you get going with these you'll love it. The satisfaction from seeing these run will make you want to improve all of your other cars. Once you start really building things the hobby goes to a completely different dimension. I'm proud of you. - Nevin
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Posted by G Paine on Friday, July 6, 2007 6:44 PM

Chip, I say go for it. You have a lot of skills based on the photos of your work that you have posted - I do not see how you could have fudged them with Photoshop. Once you get your Aug MR, read that article carefully and use it as a general guideline. You may have to buy a couple more tools, but they would be things you would be needing in your other modeling anyway.

The only two things you have to remember are

1) Small resin parts are brittle and can break easily - easy to get frustrated with them, put a new sharp blade in that hobby knife and do not use heavy pressure, multiple light cuts work better.

2) Don't glue yourself to anything when you are using that CA cement - keep a bottle of nail polish remover that contains acetone and some paper towels handy just in case.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 6, 2007 5:34 PM

I was a coward and resold my two kits on ebay for a small profit.

Ive a Artillery gun that has a carriage that is still undergoing assembly. Once that one is done, I will never buy another of this style with the many bazillion parts.

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Posted by jsoderq on Friday, July 6, 2007 4:32 PM
Now you know why resin kits have limited popularity.
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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, July 6, 2007 3:01 PM

I have a couple of F&C kits. I also have a couple of Tichy tank cars. And a bunch of non-timesaver Proto 2000 cars, a couple of tank cars of which I've actually built.

I've looked in the F&C and Tichy kit boxes. There were a lot of little parts (grab irons and what-not) to install on the Proto 2000 tank cars.

So I figure, difficulty-wise, it'll go something like this: Build a few more of the non-Timesaver Proto kits, then a couple of the Tichy cars, THEN tackle the F&C cars. Someday.

The reason I haven't already tried the Tichy and F&C kits is that other things on the layout construction list take priority.

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Posted by BigRusty on Friday, July 6, 2007 2:27 PM

SIMON SAYS: The truth. That is the best article on Resin Kit construction I have ever read. And, it is written by one of the world's finest model railroaders. I Have read it over three times. It came just in time for me to assemble the fine F&C NHRHTA baggage and RPO car kits I have been accumulating. I am glad I have been waiting.

The techniques apply to all ALL resin kits, buildings, etc.

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Friday, July 6, 2007 1:59 PM
 mlehman wrote:

Fun?

This looks like a great kit to learn resin-building skills. With two complete kits included, build the first one for practice, then do the second, which should be better for the skills you've learned on the first.

And then you can recycle the first attempt as a light-duty rural bridge.  After all, the prototype did it!

And once you've conquered that kit, try one made exclusively of card stock, with a (rough) wood roof and floor, a few very small sticks, some white metal underbody detail castings and two strips of clear plastic for glazing.  Built and finished right, it produces a DMU carbody.  If less than perfect, you can use it to represent an old diner being demolished to make way for a strip mall.

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Posted by ndbprr on Friday, July 6, 2007 1:24 PM
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Posted by orsonroy on Friday, July 6, 2007 1:11 PM

Chip,

Wadda ya complaining about? These are possibly the simplest resin kits out there. The cars have what, eight grabs, four stirrups and K brakes? Piece of cake. And there's no wood deck because these are naval gun tube idler cars, and have all-steel decks, which are a simple one piece casting that fit onto the floor. After you get the flash removed from the parts (always the longest part of any resin build) the think shouldn't take more than three hours to assemble, including drilling the holes for the grabs and brake gear.

You want a challenge? Try four boxes FULL of resin car kits from F&C, Westerfield, Sunshine and Sylvan. I'm trying to replicate the 1940s, which means that only about half of the freight cars I want are available in plastic (and many of those are kitbashes).

Once you get these two under your belt, try a one-piece gon. Once you've done that, try a one piece boxcar. After that, try something REALLY challenging, like a flat kit for an ex-NYC boxcar turned into a rider car: 106 grabs!

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Posted by jktrains on Friday, July 6, 2007 12:44 PM

Put it on the shelf and do other kits that are progressively more challenging to develop the skills needed to complete it.

Possible progression. Shake the box type kits - Athearn, MDC, Accurail. Then Proto2000 timesaver kits, then Proto2000 kits, especially covered hoopers and tank cars.  Try Intermountain or Red Caboose kits, especially a 4 bay cylindrical hopper kits.

As others have said.  READ THE INSTRUCTIONS, READ THE INSTRUCTIONS. Trucks and couplers aren't included in most craftsman type kits.

If you think these are challenging, try an old style Ambroid wooden kit or Modeler's Choice or Railyard models styrene kit.

As a previous post said, there's a difference between a modeler and model purchaser.

Have fun.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Friday, July 6, 2007 12:34 PM
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The best way to gain experience, is to jump in and get your feet wet!

Try your best, take your time and don't worry too much about making mistakes. One of fastest ways to gain experience and hone your skills is fixing the mistakes to the point where they don't show. For those of us who think of themselves as craftsmen, we all made lots of mistakes but we also learned a lot fixing them. It's all trial an error, but if you just sit in your armchair and do the easy stuff and don't challenge yourself, you'll never get any better. Have fun and good luck and if you get stuck, just ask!

It's that way in construction as well.

The difference between a journeyman and an apprentice is that the journeyman makes his screw-ups look like they were meant to be that way.

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Posted by modelmaker51 on Friday, July 6, 2007 12:27 PM

The best way to gain experience, is to jump in and get your feet wet!

Try your best, take your time and don't worry too much about making mistakes. One of fastest ways to gain experience and hone your skills is fixing the mistakes to the point where they don't show. For those of us who think of themselves as craftsmen, we all made lots of mistakes but we also learned a lot fixing them. It's all trial an error, but if you just sit in your armchair and do the easy stuff and don't challenge yourself, you'll never get any better. Have fun and good luck and if you get stuck, just ask!

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Friday, July 6, 2007 12:23 PM

Thanks guys for the encouragement. Although I pitched and moaned I don't believe these "kits" are beyond my skill level. I think they will look nice. I really look forward to building them. But they will be shelved for a while for several reasons.

1) I haven't built the layout to put them on.

2) The time I spend on them will not equal the productive progresss I would make on the layout in other ways.

3) My autistic son doesn't know how to handle rolling stock yet, and they would be at risk.

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Posted by last mountain & eastern hogger on Friday, July 6, 2007 12:14 PM

 Whistling [:-^]

Hey Chip,

Give it a try (one of them). If you don't like them, always remember E-Bay is on duty 24 hours a day.

Long live the "WOBBLY"

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Posted by Jetrock on Friday, July 6, 2007 11:57 AM

Just wait until you try a LaBelle kit, chip...it's basically a box of sticks and wire with an instruction sheet.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Friday, July 6, 2007 11:48 AM
 Railphotog wrote:

It's called modeling.   As in railroad modeling.  As opposed to model railroad purchasing.

ROFL! It's still a kit and I still bought it.

I would suggest that it is not what you purchase so much as how you use it that makes you a "modeler."     

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Posted by Railphotog on Friday, July 6, 2007 11:39 AM

It's called modeling.   As in railroad modeling.  As opposed to model railroad purchasing.

 

 

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Posted by exPalaceDog on Friday, July 6, 2007 11:39 AM

You might consider putting the kits on the shelf until you gain more experience. Then take use the plans to knock out some cars in plastic or wood.

Have fun

 

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Posted by cacole on Friday, July 6, 2007 11:32 AM

It may not say Craftsman Kit on the box, but their web site and listings in the Walthers catalogs nearly always mention exactly what you get and state that their products are all Craftsman Kits.

Their web site is at http://www.fandckits.com/ and might give you a little more information on their products.

The best approach to assembliing one of these kits is to take your time, and allow lots of time to the task.  Also pay close attention to the types of paints and adhesives recommended for kit construction, and the preparation of parts such as washing in warm, soapy water to remove the mould release compound.  Selection of the wrong type of paint or adhesive can potentially destroy a casting.

 

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