Safety Valve wrote: loathar wrote: wgnrr wrote: What's the big stink on "Made in China?" Is there a problem that a company sends their molds to a foreign maker to have the kits made?PhilNothing if don't mind buying stuff made by people that are pretty much forced to work 16 hour days, 360 days a year in factories where fingers are cut off at a rate of 50,000/year (or was that per month?) in industrial accidents. Where if they look cross eyed at their boss they can be fired for life and never work again. As long as you don't care about that. Go ahead and buy 12 pair of tube socks for $3.50 that will wear out in 2 months anyhow.ME. I'm tired of returning stuff to the store that breaks after 1 week of use due to crappy workmanship. Even if you shop at a higher dollar store instead of Wally World your still hard pressed to find anything made in the USA. I just bought 3 deep fryers before getting 1 that worked right. ALL made in China. Went to 5 stores. Couldn't find a single one made in the U.S.Other than that, their cheap craps GREAT!!! :(They quit making durable goods long ago Sir. The US Customer no longer buys one appliance that will last 30 years as they used to be able to do.The entire world runs on disposible appliances that are not expected to last a year in the home.Take my coffee pot as an example. I paid all of 14 dollars for it at the dollar store. I put the thing into service about 8 months ago. It needed 7 minutes to make a pot of coffee. Now it needs 24 to make the same pot despite regular cleanings with vinegar and water mix. I expect to spend another 14 dollars by september to replace this with another of the same brand.Much cheaper than running into Spendbucks.. uhh.. Starbucks for 5.00 coffee that fries your mind after lunch and leaves you comatose by dinner time due to the caffine crash and the sugar rush from all the crap they top the coffies with.I tracked a local starbucks near a hospital once waiting on a medical appointment. The same people went in there, spent 3 dollars for a coffee on the morning break, lunch hour and the PM break. That is like 10 dollars a day plus thier little munchies.That is where the money is going folks.. not the wally world appliance rack by the burndouts spendall sale.
loathar wrote: wgnrr wrote: What's the big stink on "Made in China?" Is there a problem that a company sends their molds to a foreign maker to have the kits made?PhilNothing if don't mind buying stuff made by people that are pretty much forced to work 16 hour days, 360 days a year in factories where fingers are cut off at a rate of 50,000/year (or was that per month?) in industrial accidents. Where if they look cross eyed at their boss they can be fired for life and never work again. As long as you don't care about that. Go ahead and buy 12 pair of tube socks for $3.50 that will wear out in 2 months anyhow.ME. I'm tired of returning stuff to the store that breaks after 1 week of use due to crappy workmanship. Even if you shop at a higher dollar store instead of Wally World your still hard pressed to find anything made in the USA. I just bought 3 deep fryers before getting 1 that worked right. ALL made in China. Went to 5 stores. Couldn't find a single one made in the U.S.Other than that, their cheap craps GREAT!!! :(
wgnrr wrote: What's the big stink on "Made in China?" Is there a problem that a company sends their molds to a foreign maker to have the kits made?Phil
What's the big stink on "Made in China?" Is there a problem that a company sends their molds to a foreign maker to have the kits made?
Phil
Nothing if don't mind buying stuff made by people that are pretty much forced to work 16 hour days, 360 days a year in factories where fingers are cut off at a rate of 50,000/year (or was that per month?) in industrial accidents. Where if they look cross eyed at their boss they can be fired for life and never work again. As long as you don't care about that. Go ahead and buy 12 pair of tube socks for $3.50 that will wear out in 2 months anyhow.
ME. I'm tired of returning stuff to the store that breaks after 1 week of use due to crappy workmanship. Even if you shop at a higher dollar store instead of Wally World your still hard pressed to find anything made in the USA. I just bought 3 deep fryers before getting 1 that worked right. ALL made in China. Went to 5 stores. Couldn't find a single one made in the U.S.
Other than that, their cheap craps GREAT!!! :(
They quit making durable goods long ago Sir. The US Customer no longer buys one appliance that will last 30 years as they used to be able to do.
The entire world runs on disposible appliances that are not expected to last a year in the home.
Take my coffee pot as an example. I paid all of 14 dollars for it at the dollar store. I put the thing into service about 8 months ago. It needed 7 minutes to make a pot of coffee. Now it needs 24 to make the same pot despite regular cleanings with vinegar and water mix. I expect to spend another 14 dollars by september to replace this with another of the same brand.
Much cheaper than running into Spendbucks.. uhh.. Starbucks for 5.00 coffee that fries your mind after lunch and leaves you comatose by dinner time due to the caffine crash and the sugar rush from all the crap they top the coffies with.
I tracked a local starbucks near a hospital once waiting on a medical appointment. The same people went in there, spent 3 dollars for a coffee on the morning break, lunch hour and the PM break. That is like 10 dollars a day plus thier little munchies.
That is where the money is going folks.. not the wally world appliance rack by the burndouts spendall sale.
I had a MR. Coffee that I spent $19.00 on..It crap out in less then 2 years.My old Jap TV I got in 95 still plays..I can only hope my "new" TV lasts as long.My VCR I got in 95 (along with the TV)died 4 years ago..Got a new one and it died 17 months later..I hope my DVD player lasts as long as my first VCR.
Naw I gave up on shopping at all big price stores..
Why?
Turn the stuff over and guess what I found?
Made in China
Made in Japan
Made in Brazil
And the lists goes on.
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Master of Big Sky Blue wrote: jeffrey-wimberly wrote:I suggest you find another hobby shop. Not being able to meet a minimum order is a pretty lame excuse. The LHS I go to is a small operation and can order a minimum of one kit for me from Horizon/Athearn with no problem and often does.But your LHS has a customer base more than two. He can put your order for a single kit in with what everyone else wants and make his minimum order for Horizon. My LHS Has Me, Kieth who is part owner of the store, and the other dude whom I have not been fortunate enugh to meet. that is the entire support for the model train department. I am fortunate that Kieth is a model railroader because without him I very likely would not have an LHS at all.
jeffrey-wimberly wrote:I suggest you find another hobby shop. Not being able to meet a minimum order is a pretty lame excuse. The LHS I go to is a small operation and can order a minimum of one kit for me from Horizon/Athearn with no problem and often does.
I suggest you find another hobby shop. Not being able to meet a minimum order is a pretty lame excuse. The LHS I go to is a small operation and can order a minimum of one kit for me from Horizon/Athearn with no problem and often does.
But your LHS has a customer base more than two. He can put your order for a single kit in with what everyone else wants and make his minimum order for Horizon. My LHS Has Me, Kieth who is part owner of the store, and the other dude whom I have not been fortunate enugh to meet. that is the entire support for the model train department. I am fortunate that Kieth is a model railroader because without him I very likely would not have an LHS at all.
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I'm not a "Made in China" fan, because they are dumping unsafe garbage on us, killing pets and possibly people too, then when we regulate them, they claim we are playing unfair. I have things from China, but it is a minus in my buying decision, not a plus.
I order online, safely, and without a credit card.
I opened a second checking account along with my normal one, strictly for online use. I got a debit card with both. When it's time to buy online, I transfer the money to the internet account, and make the purchase. If someone intercepts my card information, they might get the $30 to $50 I keep in the account for incidentals, or else they'd have to be very lucky to access the account for the very shot time between a transfer or purchase.
Nice to be able to access a few bucks, 24/7, if the primary account card has a magnetic strip hiccup too.
I've been raiding stockpiles of the few remaining Blue Box kits for about a year now, and am pretty much done buying rolling stock in quantity. They're around, you just have to go looking for them.
cudaken wrote: Bought 6 kits this week. All said 60 years and the US flag is now gone. 2 of the kits had meatl wheels, rest as normal. 2 of them the wheels where out of gauge and wheels did not spin right. Had to clean the boosters, normaly I don't have to. PLUS THIS IS NOT RIGHT, Proto 2000's 33" wheels would not fit! That is just not right! Ones with the new wheels rolled well. Now the shocker, I used Kadde number 5's on all and no shims or drop coulpers where needed! May be it was just luck, but normaly one needs a number #27 if not both. Cuda Ken
Bought 6 kits this week. All said 60 years and the US flag is now gone. 2 of the kits had meatl wheels, rest as normal. 2 of them the wheels where out of gauge and wheels did not spin right. Had to clean the boosters, normaly I don't have to. PLUS THIS IS NOT RIGHT, Proto 2000's 33" wheels would not fit! That is just not right!
Ones with the new wheels rolled well. Now the shocker, I used Kadde number 5's on all and no shims or drop coulpers where needed! May be it was just luck, but normaly one needs a number #27 if not both.
Cuda Ken
Ken,Watch those P2K wheel sets..One of the last packs I bought the axles was a tad to narrow.The other pack was ok.
As far as Athearn trucks/wheels I am yet to find one out of gauge all are EXTREMELY free rollin'...I simply love the new Athearn trucks with the metal wheels..They are now my standard replacement truck for Accurail cars.
I hate Rust
ericsp wrote:Let us keep this thread on trains, or it will probably end up being deleted and all of the typing and reading will have been time wasted.
Only if we misbehave and do something stupid like cyber-bullying or some such thing. The Moderator of all things aka. Bergie decides what stays and what goes.
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I draw everyones attention to some important points from my previous post that seem to have been overlooked.
Master of Big Sky Blue wrote: My previous post was for most hobby shops I have encountered in general. I made the comment to the train guy at Who's Hobby House in Rapid City South Dakota, "Why don't you guys carry Athearn any more." and I got told. "Athearn is out of date technology and we can sell Less Proto 2000 at a higher markup" So that is where I base my conclusions for nobody wants to carry Athearn any more. My local hobby shop I have now is a good one. Unfortunatly since it has only two model train customers everything has to be special ordered. and even at that because of such a low volume My hobbyshop can't get me any Athearn because Horizon has a minimum order. Even though it has been radicly lowered from what it was when they first took over. Its still not eneugh with just me and the other guy. This store survives because its the only place in Converse County that does UPS drop off and shipping. It also shares space with owner's husband's wood stove retail outlet. (The husband is also a model railroad, but as a part owner of the place its probably the model train department stays with only two other patrons) We worked out an arragement where I place an order for what I need when Im in to pick something up. Since I order what I need to keep be busy for a week, and then work a week. this gives my hobby shop two weeks to get what I need in. So far its working good. I can get most anything I need from everyone but Athearn. Its advantagous because without this hobby shop I would be exclusivly mail order. and since mail order places typically charge around when its said done around 20-25% or more of the final purchase price for shipping unless I make a large order and then I iether get discounted shipping or free shipping. Because of this, I was down to two orders a year because Im not going to order $15.00 worth of trucks couplers, and maybe a box car kit or two. then pay $4.95 shipping and handling. Making my final cost $20.00. Our Arrangment (Me and Kieth, the other model rairlaod guy) gets us what we need without needing to order alot to get shipping discounts, and we only have to pay 4% sales tax VS 4.95 shipping and handling for orders less than $29.99 $5.95 for 30.00-49.99 and so on. So I feel I am getting great service from my hobby shop. Its just Horizon has no interest in serving my hobby shop.
My previous post was for most hobby shops I have encountered in general. I made the comment to the train guy at Who's Hobby House in Rapid City South Dakota, "Why don't you guys carry Athearn any more." and I got told. "Athearn is out of date technology and we can sell Less Proto 2000 at a higher markup" So that is where I base my conclusions for nobody wants to carry Athearn any more. My local hobby shop I have now is a good one. Unfortunatly since it has only two model train customers everything has to be special ordered. and even at that because of such a low volume My hobbyshop can't get me any Athearn because Horizon has a minimum order. Even though it has been radicly lowered from what it was when they first took over. Its still not eneugh with just me and the other guy. This store survives because its the only place in Converse County that does UPS drop off and shipping. It also shares space with owner's husband's wood stove retail outlet. (The husband is also a model railroad, but as a part owner of the place its probably the model train department stays with only two other patrons) We worked out an arragement where I place an order for what I need when Im in to pick something up. Since I order what I need to keep be busy for a week, and then work a week. this gives my hobby shop two weeks to get what I need in. So far its working good. I can get most anything I need from everyone but Athearn. Its advantagous because without this hobby shop I would be exclusivly mail order. and since mail order places typically charge around when its said done around 20-25% or more of the final purchase price for shipping unless I make a large order and then I iether get discounted shipping or free shipping. Because of this, I was down to two orders a year because Im not going to order $15.00 worth of trucks couplers, and maybe a box car kit or two. then pay $4.95 shipping and handling. Making my final cost $20.00. Our Arrangment (Me and Kieth, the other model rairlaod guy) gets us what we need without needing to order alot to get shipping discounts, and we only have to pay 4% sales tax VS 4.95 shipping and handling for orders less than $29.99 $5.95 for 30.00-49.99 and so on. So I feel I am getting great service from my hobby shop. Its just Horizon has no interest in serving my hobby shop.
ericsp wrote: Athearn never stopped making kits. I cannot figure out why the guy at train shop you go to tells you he needs a minimum order. I have ordered a couple of Blue Box kits from the shop I go with no problem, several times. Perhaps he needs a minimum order for all products from Horizon. But if that is the case, he cannot get RTR, Genesis, or Roundhouse either. I suggest interrogating him.In case anyone is wondering, Athearn did not reply.
Athearn never stopped making kits. I cannot figure out why the guy at train shop you go to tells you he needs a minimum order. I have ordered a couple of Blue Box kits from the shop I go with no problem, several times. Perhaps he needs a minimum order for all products from Horizon. But if that is the case, he cannot get RTR, Genesis, or Roundhouse either. I suggest interrogating him.
In case anyone is wondering, Athearn did not reply.
If you will read my post with the points highlighted. I did say that. My LHS can't get anything in the Athearn line at all. RTR, Genesis, Blue Box or Roundhouse.
Well I know that there are two hobby shops at least in my area full of Athearn Blue Box. I can walk in either one right now and find what I am looking for.
I dont believe for one second the "I cannot get this..." baloney from a hobby shop or anyone else. If they cannot, I will off the internet. Now if it is OUT of PRODUCTION.. ok fine I can accept that.
I dont know what my store makes with profit on the kits but every little bit is welcome. I prefer to do my business in the store and maybe the day I need something, they will still be in the business.
But I gotta tell ya, there is alot of challenges with these basic kits and from the looks of the upcoming 60th anniversary, I think Horizion and Athearn will do well.
If they did stop selling these kits and force beginners to start off with more kits with smaller itsy bitsy peices... I think it will be a bad thing. So I have reason to believe that they will still produce the kits long after some of us has passed over to the other side.
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ericsp wrote: Master of Big Sky Blue wrote:The thing that makes me sad is the loss of kits. While some people point out that Athearn is again making Blue Box kits again, My hobby shop is still not able to get them because they are not able to come up with the needed "minimum order" I think Horizon needs to rethink its exclusive distributorship polocy because I think such greed motivated thinking is harmful to the hobby as a whole. I am a Life long die hard model railroader. But I have finally been priced out of the "new" market. My last 10 purchases of model railroad equipment have been used or at least previously owned.Athearn never stopped making kits. I cannot figure out why the guy at train shop you go to tells you he needs a minimum order. I have ordered a couple of Blue Box kits from the shop I go with no problem, several times. Perhaps he needs a minimum order for all products from Horizon. But if that is the case, he cannot get RTR, Genesis, or Roundhouse either. I suggest interrogating him.In case anyone is wonder, Athearn did not reply.
Master of Big Sky Blue wrote:The thing that makes me sad is the loss of kits. While some people point out that Athearn is again making Blue Box kits again, My hobby shop is still not able to get them because they are not able to come up with the needed "minimum order" I think Horizon needs to rethink its exclusive distributorship polocy because I think such greed motivated thinking is harmful to the hobby as a whole. I am a Life long die hard model railroader. But I have finally been priced out of the "new" market. My last 10 purchases of model railroad equipment have been used or at least previously owned.
In case anyone is wonder, Athearn did not reply.
Don Z wrote: James,I feel for you....your hobby shop obviously isn't interested in servicing their customers or making money. My LHS will order one (1) blue box kit if that's what you want....he told me what the minimums are from Horizon - they're not very high. If your dealer can't muster up enough business to cover those, he won't be around much longer. My dealer has many Athearn F units available also.....let me know if you want his contact information.Don Z.
James,
I feel for you....your hobby shop obviously isn't interested in servicing their customers or making money. My LHS will order one (1) blue box kit if that's what you want....he told me what the minimums are from Horizon - they're not very high. If your dealer can't muster up enough business to cover those, he won't be around much longer. My dealer has many Athearn F units available also.....let me know if you want his contact information.
Don Z.
alco_fan wrote:Dude, you need to get out more. Star Trek was a TV show. Mr. Spock isn't really a Vulcan -- it was make-up. The idea that a "unified world economy" would be oriented to stocking plastic model kits in your local hobby shop is naive.
Dude, you need to get out more. Star Trek was a TV show. Mr. Spock isn't really a Vulcan -- it was make-up. The idea that a "unified world economy" would be oriented to stocking plastic model kits in your local hobby shop is naive.
I didn't say anything about a unified world economy being oriented to stocking plastic on our shelves. And yes I know its just a TV show and it isn't really real. But its the only thing thats out there that sends a positive message about how great humanity can be if we stop doing drugs. trying to kill each other because Joe has more widgets than john, Start being involved in our kids lives so they don't grow up to be two faced laywers, whores, and politicians. And encourage them to take up positive crafts like engineering, construction, or get involved in some kind of positive technology. I feel that more involved parenting will teach children the value of kindness and the vanity of greed. I feel Parents by first being parents, and then teaching kids their values(provided that they value more than just how fat their pay check is) that the days of spousal abuse, poverty, gangs, sex drugs. greed can come to an end. Star Trek preaches that positive message. One great tool for helping get this accomplished. Model Railraoding.
Anyway with the above said so you know where I am coming from, time to answer the question. No matter how we feel about it, a global economy is going to happen wheather we like it or not. Greed knows no bounds and will fight tooth and toe nail to gain the maximum productivity at the lowest costs. While this is obviously good economic reasoning. Its also called putting the screws to your employees. However, since we also need a global economy to promote humanity to a higher level of englighten ment, I feel we can have a global economy, but one where considerations of the workers are taken into account and happiness is spread around the world. Once we have an intigrated global economy, annoying and expensive handicaps like national borders would be pretty much redundant and there will be a push for some kind of world consolodation similar to what happened in europe to with the European Union. Except it happen all over the world.
Granted this is an Idealist dream and probably never will come around like Gene Roddenberry envisioned it would. But its a positive ideal that I would like to work towards becasue I am sickened by the thought that three out of every 4 CSI shows I see. I know or know of some one that similar things have happened to.
You can still buy all the Athearn you want, just phone up a mail-order house. (and yes, I know you don't use credit cards ... mail them a check fer Pete's sake.)
I will refer you my comments above about mail order and shipping and handling. Why pay that much when I can buy something useful with that money at the hobby shop?
Anyway, you've posted previously that you already have hundreds of cars and engines -- far more than most of us own and more than you can use. Why the "woe is me" over buying even more?
I feel I need more cars because I am trying to bring a sense of realism that isn't there when I just shuffle the same cars around over and over. If you look at the prototype situation. Say Car Box Car CB&Q 565689 gets switched into the facory for loading. once the car is loades say its routed from where its at in Ohio to where the machinery is needed in Washington state. This car would move from the factory, to the rail yard and on across the country. taking much of a week to get there. Once its unloaded it would be routed to the next place the car was needed for loading. By using this cycle it should take at least weeks, if not several months or years before the car is seen in the area again. Yet operating session after operating session, we modelers shuffle around the same ole cars again and again. I know there are numborous exceptions to this example. The whole concept of the Unit train being the biggest one. But even with a unit train. It would still be almost a week before the equipment would show up again assumig its a midwest to powder river
I think the big thing is people lose jobs over here. That's why I buy American products when ever I can. It might just save some one a job. BUT, if I'm not going to use that product a lot, then I buy the cheap stuff. For Model Railroading, dosn't matter. Most is made in China any way.
Master of Big Sky Blue wrote: I don't really care where its made. My fierce subscription to the Theology of Star Trek means that some day we need to have a complete intigrated world economy, and a unified world government. The thing that makes me sad is the loss of kits. While some people point out that Athearn is again making Blue Box kits again, My hobby shop is still not able to get them because they are not able to come up with the needed "minimum order" I think Horizon needs to rethink its exclusive distributorship polocy because I think such greed motivated thinking is harmful to the hobby as a whole. I am a Life long die hard model railroader. But I have finally been priced out of the "new" market. My last 10 purchases of model railroad equipment have been used or at least previously owned.
I don't really care where its made. My fierce subscription to the Theology of Star Trek means that some day we need to have a complete intigrated world economy, and a unified world government.
The thing that makes me sad is the loss of kits. While some people point out that Athearn is again making Blue Box kits again, My hobby shop is still not able to get them because they are not able to come up with the needed "minimum order" I think Horizon needs to rethink its exclusive distributorship polocy because I think such greed motivated thinking is harmful to the hobby as a whole. I am a Life long die hard model railroader. But I have finally been priced out of the "new" market. My last 10 purchases of model railroad equipment have been used or at least previously owned.
Guy,There is tons of BB kits to be had on line..Kiss your LHS goodbye and don't look back.
You are only "price out of the hobby" by your insistence to buy at your LHS.Step into the wonderful world of on line discounts.
Master of Big Sky Blue wrote: I don't really care where its made. My fierce subscription to the Theology of Star Trek means that some day we need to have a complete intigrated world economy, and a unified world government.
Research; it's not just for geeks.
Here is how I have been priced out of the hobby:
Up until 1995 I my dad bought all my trains for me. 1995 is when I started making my own purchases with my own money. My first locomotives I bought were Athearn BN SD45s One powered one dummy. While the Athearn website still lists this SD45 kit at the $39.95 price I bought mine for. This kit has been discontinued in favor of iether an Upgraded RPP shell on the RTR line or a Genisis offering.
Since I can't use this locomotive as a good example I will demonstrate with another athearn locomotive.
In 1995, the Athearn Super Power Drive F7 A and B cost $29.95 each. They now cost $39.95. Considering that since there has been an average of aproxamatly 5% inflation per year since 1995 39.95 is very reasonble consiering that by the math they should now cost $53.95 more or less. And at $39.95 this locomotive is still within my bugdet to buy.
However it seems like hobby shops are no longer interested in stocking this old stand by. I don't know if they just don't move, or if because they first came out in 1953 they are considered old and stale. Instead they expect me to buy something like the new Proto 2000 F7 A and B. Unfortunaly you can't buy just a Proto 2000 F7 A or B you have to buy a Proto 2000 F7 A and B. So taking my original 1995 price of 29.95 I double it so I can buy and A and B and so we are still comparing Apples to Apples here. in 1995 an Athearn F7 A and B would cost me $59.90. Today since no one wants to carry Athearn F Units. I am forced to buy the Proto 2000 F units for $269.98. And for clarity that is the standard DC only version. now you can go on on about how all that extra detail is worth all the extra money and so on and so forth. And you would be correct. But I still can't afford it. I would rather add my own detail kit rather than have some china man do it for me. And I can still put the units in service without it until I buy it.
I do not know why Hobby Shops don't want to carry Athearn locomotives any more. They must think I make lots of money. As such I am forced to look for other more affordable Motive Power alternatives. and thats how I have been priced out of the "new" model train market.
James
I dont know about the "New" market but there is still some value to the blue box kits against the really expensive "New" item these days. My only issue with these is I have to toss parts that I know are no good into the trash. However, the statement that they plan metal wheels is a welcome one. They will need to choose quality wheels that passes the gauge because when it gets to my house the gauge decides if I install my wheels that have already passed.
Im dismayed by the pilfering talk. There are bags and bags of parts availible for a buck or two. A scrapping of a car that is wore out yeilds even more parts.
I remember long ago buying a blue box for 2.25 or so, kaydee number 5's for about 1.40 or so (I dont really remember but they were consided an expensive add on back then) and the nicer trucks with brass wheels were very much the cost of both the kit and kaydee couplers for a total of close to 10 whooping dollars.
The other day I paid 6.95 for the kit, 3 something for the couplers, about the equivilant of 3 dollars for 4 wheels for a total of about 13-14 dollars roughly.
I still think they are a good price.
BRAKIE wrote: WCfan wrote: Safety Valve wrote: WCfan wrote:Sorry for inturupting you disscusion on Athearn shipping over seas or somting like that, but does ANY one know if Athearn is still going to make there RTR SD45? http://www.athearn.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=SD45-2+ATHG&CatID=THLDAthearn and Horizon hobbies DOES have a website that is updated fairly often ya know....Yes I know. I go there quite often. But I was asking SD45. Not the SD45-2. I know about the new retooled F45/FP45,the RTR SD45T-2 and the upgraded SD40-2.I found very little on any retooled SD45 RPP shell..
WCfan wrote: Safety Valve wrote: WCfan wrote:Sorry for inturupting you disscusion on Athearn shipping over seas or somting like that, but does ANY one know if Athearn is still going to make there RTR SD45? http://www.athearn.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=SD45-2+ATHG&CatID=THLDAthearn and Horizon hobbies DOES have a website that is updated fairly often ya know....Yes I know. I go there quite often. But I was asking SD45. Not the SD45-2.
Safety Valve wrote: WCfan wrote:Sorry for inturupting you disscusion on Athearn shipping over seas or somting like that, but does ANY one know if Athearn is still going to make there RTR SD45? http://www.athearn.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=SD45-2+ATHG&CatID=THLDAthearn and Horizon hobbies DOES have a website that is updated fairly often ya know....
WCfan wrote:Sorry for inturupting you disscusion on Athearn shipping over seas or somting like that, but does ANY one know if Athearn is still going to make there RTR SD45?
http://www.athearn.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=SD45-2+ATHG&CatID=THLD
Athearn and Horizon hobbies DOES have a website that is updated fairly often ya know....
Yes I know. I go there quite often. But I was asking SD45. Not the SD45-2.
I know about the new retooled F45/FP45,the RTR SD45T-2 and the upgraded SD40-2.
I found very little on any retooled SD45 RPP shell..
Well in there Future Product Review Booklet from 06-07 it said that they where going to make a RTR SD45. And it was estmated to come in Spring of 07. Well I Emailed Athearn a couple weeks ago and so far noting has turned up. I did ask another fourm member who Emailed them and Athearn said they where going to make it. But I wanted to make sure my self. Maybe I should send another Email.
R. T. POTEET wrote: ezielinski wrote: Starting with June 2007 production, Athearn Blue Box kits will have metal wheels, AND new road numbers. The kits should start arriving in stores in early July. You can recognize them by the 60th Anniversary logo printed on the front of the box.2007 marks 60 years of Athearn products. We are going to celebrate the second half of the year with several very exciting items.We'll have some rolling stock decorated with special paint (to be announced in July), and we're also planning to have a prototype car decorated in a special livery (details on this will come as soon as everything is completely finalized).Just figured someone might want to know.Metal Wheels!!! Would you believe it!!!About the last Athearn cars I bought circa 1981 when I got them home from my local they didn't have any wheels - or trucks, either, for that matter. My local proprietor would probably believe that I had pilfered the trucks from the kit if he had not encountered the same problem with some other customers. Never did find out what happened at Uncle Irv's plant but it appears that a whole bunch of product got boxed up without trucks!!!
ezielinski wrote: Starting with June 2007 production, Athearn Blue Box kits will have metal wheels, AND new road numbers. The kits should start arriving in stores in early July. You can recognize them by the 60th Anniversary logo printed on the front of the box.2007 marks 60 years of Athearn products. We are going to celebrate the second half of the year with several very exciting items.We'll have some rolling stock decorated with special paint (to be announced in July), and we're also planning to have a prototype car decorated in a special livery (details on this will come as soon as everything is completely finalized).Just figured someone might want to know.
Starting with June 2007 production, Athearn Blue Box kits will have metal wheels, AND new road numbers. The kits should start arriving in stores in early July. You can recognize them by the 60th Anniversary logo printed on the front of the box.
2007 marks 60 years of Athearn products. We are going to celebrate the second half of the year with several very exciting items.
We'll have some rolling stock decorated with special paint (to be announced in July), and we're also planning to have a prototype car decorated in a special livery (details on this will come as soon as everything is completely finalized).
Just figured someone might want to know.
Pilfering of the parts bag in the BB loco and car kit was so bad at one hobby shop where I was gainfully employed part time that we open the kit for viewing and then Saran wrap the kits..KD couplers is another highly pilfered item.
From the far, far reaches of the wild, wild west I am: rtpoteet
jeffrey-wimberly wrote:I have no problem with buying the RTR cars, especially as I have a hard time with kits with my hands being numb from nerve damage. Try assembling a kit with gloves on and you'll quickly see what I mean.
Hear! Hear! Even with one good left hand and partial use of my right hand a simple BB kit can be hard..
Try this after you try Jeffrey's gloves...Try assembling a covered hopper with your left hand while trying to holding it in your partly closed right hand..Remember 3 of your fingers closes 3/4 of the way while the index finger and thumb only closes around 30%..Have fun!