Azure wrote:Hrmmm....Im actually really happy that some younger people are on here. Yep, they are young. Who cares? I was young once. I miss it. The model railroading hobby isnt anywhere near as popular among teens or young adults now because of video games, cable tv, etc. as it once was. The fact that several of the posts on here are from younger people is kind of encouraging!A couple of things to consider, before trying to run anyone away, especially younger modelers.Kids have money. Money attracts businesses. Businesses make us model trains to play with! Thomas and Friends is a way to attract young children to trains (and a great one it is, lead paint and all) But when they are past the Thomas age, and want to move on to something more realistic...where do they go? Ahh, the internet! And many will probably find their way to a forum with as many posts and users as this one. How would you have responded when you first got into modeling, if all the people you encountered were extremely rude and critical? I used to LOVE antique cars. After a few years in that hobby, and dealing with every form of scumbag and ripoff artist and jerk that came along with it, i sold my 1968 Buick and never looked back. Lying, claiming to know it all, etc...yeah, i can remember doing that. Im 30, so it wasnt so long ago for me i suppose, so maybe my memory is clearer. I dunno. I have no problem pointing out that you caught someone in a lie, but starting a post just to hack the kid down is kinda...wrong.
Hrmmm....
Im actually really happy that some younger people are on here. Yep, they are young. Who cares? I was young once. I miss it. The model railroading hobby isnt anywhere near as popular among teens or young adults now because of video games, cable tv, etc. as it once was. The fact that several of the posts on here are from younger people is kind of encouraging!
A couple of things to consider, before trying to run anyone away, especially younger modelers.
Kids have money. Money attracts businesses. Businesses make us model trains to play with! Thomas and Friends is a way to attract young children to trains (and a great one it is, lead paint and all) But when they are past the Thomas age, and want to move on to something more realistic...where do they go? Ahh, the internet! And many will probably find their way to a forum with as many posts and users as this one. How would you have responded when you first got into modeling, if all the people you encountered were extremely rude and critical? I used to LOVE antique cars. After a few years in that hobby, and dealing with every form of scumbag and ripoff artist and jerk that came along with it, i sold my 1968 Buick and never looked back.
Lying, claiming to know it all, etc...yeah, i can remember doing that. Im 30, so it wasnt so long ago for me i suppose, so maybe my memory is clearer. I dunno. I have no problem pointing out that you caught someone in a lie, but starting a post just to hack the kid down is kinda...wrong.
Thanks! I was in love with the Thomas stuff, then I switched to HO, but wen I was between my 1st layout and my 2nd I used the old Thomas stuff, and I figured out that it's hard to do realistic operation with Thomas! I am now on my 7th layout, which actually has scenery! My 2 year old brother now loves Thomas. He also loves the "twains in basement" as he calls them!
TrainManTy wrote:My 2 year old brother now loves Thomas. He also loves the "twains in basement" as he calls them!
My 2 year old brother now loves Thomas. He also loves the "twains in basement" as he calls them!
That's cute. Another model railroader in the making.
Nelson
Ex-Southern 385 Being Hoisted
I didn't get to see first hand the last postings of upchuck, I did get them sent to me via email........along with some of the replies.
I was also there when upchuck got banned at Bachmann, and if any of you think this is type of behavior is ok and we should just offer ''brotherly guidance'', MAN DID YOU MISS THE BOAT!!! this kid has some serious issues, this type of acting out is a red flag, unless something is done to stop the pattern of lies and outrageous behavior, this kid is going to land himself in real trouble.
Several posters were chastised by others for ''hasseling'' [i.e. guiding him], now you say we should ''guide'' him.....make up your mind....do nothing or do something?? which do you want???
If you allow this type of behavior to continue, then later on you will have problems that can't be solved. I agree with the post about using shame as a deterrent, it works.
I know that not all of the younger posters are like upchuck, and I don't group them in with him, he is a special case, and when you say ''kids'' or ''young members'' it sounds like you mean all of them, if you have issues with one particular member then use that members name....that way the other ''kids'' won't feel picked on because they're young.
jeffrey-wimberly wrote:Anybody can be destructive. Try being constructive for a change. I read UPChuck's posts and however I felt about them was how I replied. If I thought he was lying I didn't give it the time of day. On the other hand, if I thought he had a good question, I gave advice accordingly. The ONLY TIME I called him an outright liar was when he posted a pic of one of Yardbird's loco's and claimed it as his own. Additionally, I never took a swipe at him just to be spiteful or hateful.
From the far, far reaches of the wild, wild west I am: rtpoteet
jeffrey-wimberly wrote:Quit passing the buck to teachers. Good teaching starts at home.
I agree with what Jon168 saying about this one kid having some serious issues. But any one who replies or responds to outragous statements are giving him what he craves and is looking for; Attention. When kids are troubled or ignored, they may act out in order to get the attention they need, negative attention is better then no attention. Some of the foster children that come thru our home do this repeatedly. They try to create arguments and fights because they are uncomfortable with "normalacy". So as many have said proper response when he asks reasonable questions, and ignoring him when he "acts out" is the best thing we can do. Continuously badgering him gives him what he craves.
Kevin
davidmbedard wrote: Fact-Teachers are underpayed.
Fact-Teachers are underpayed.
JON168 wrote: ... I agree with the post about using shame as a deterrent, it works.
... I agree with the post about using shame as a deterrent, it works.
No, not for certain personalities who don't take their cues from the rest of us. If this young person is as dysfunctional as you suggest, then he is unlikely to cotton on to shame. In fact, he thrives on the challenge of infuriating others. It is a form of involvement. That is why you should either ignore him completely or continue to model appropriate behaviour. When you engage him with taunts and reproach, it fuels his desire to try novel approaches, but not approaches that are appropriate. Make no mistake, this kid is gleefully learning that he is about three steps ahead of you all the way. It's a thrill for him to keep proving to himself that he is smarter than you. That may or may not be true, but if it is a conclusion that he reaches, it serves his purpose. Your own behaviour does nothing to disabuse him of that notion.
Simply shun him until you see him maturing and becoming a dependable and responsible poster. When you see that behaviour, reward it and reinforce it. That is what behaviour modification is all about.
R. T. POTEET wrote:Now I've wetted my appetite for spaghetti tonight!!!Oh yeah! and by the way I don't know how many people spotted it but I deliberately misspelled 'publicly' twice in the second paragraph of this monograph.
Mark P.
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Brunton wrote: R. T. POTEET wrote:Now I've wetted my appetite for spaghetti tonight!!!Oh yeah! and by the way I don't know how many people spotted it but I deliberately misspelled 'publicly' twice in the second paragraph of this monograph.Did you also intentionally use the word "wetted" when you meant "whetted?"
Why is it the Forums managed to get our Knickers in a wad over one kid.
Ive seen these forums endure serious trollage and other problems in the last few months. Nary a word about trains.
What is it that our buttons are pushed to the point of loading down the groaning server with tons of posts?
R. T. POTEET wrote: davidmbedard wrote: Fact-Teachers are underpayed.This statement has more holes in it than a spaghetti colander!!!All publically employed people are underpaid; if you don't believe this ask all publically employed people! This is one of them things put out by the AFT designed to generate political support during elections. After all, no teacher can be a good teacher if they are underpaid!!! Here son! let's bury our posteriers here on the couch and watch inane movies or comedy shows for the next three hours!!!GOOD SPELLERS ARE GOOD READERS!!! Get your offspring to bury his nose in a book and see how fast his spelling improves. Note: I misspelled a word in an email to my daughter awhile back and got called to task for it; my kids read and spell very well because I turned the TV off for almost four years in the late-'60s and early-'70s! They had a fit; then I couldn't get their noses out of a book. PRAISE THE LORD!!! If you were to announce that the complete federal budget will go to education and all teachers will be paid a million dollars a year the AFT would whine that "teachers are underpaid!!!". The AFT deliberately left this off the screaming session during the 2004 election because Bush II had increased the federal education budget 37% in four years!!!Now I've wetted my appetite for spaghetti tonight!!!Oh yeah! and by the way I don't know how many people spotted it but I deliberately misspelled 'publicly' twice in the second paragraph of this monograph.
i read o beleave me i read alot!!!!! i hardly watch TV and i only come on here for the forum and maybe resaerch ya i no my spelling and grammar are bad on the forum... this is my "relaxation place" i don't want to have to be on the dot about every spelling error and wronge grammar usage beleave me my mouth can spell better than my fingers! if it bugs someone too bad deal with it. personally as long as i'm happy with my life i don't care what people think...
Why? WHat did I do? Go ahead and say it I won't report you.
-Jake
P.S. Why can't we all get along?
bighead wrote: R. T. POTEET wrote: davidmbedard wrote: Fact-Teachers are underpayed.This statement has more holes in it than a spaghetti colander!!!All publically employed people are underpaid; if you don't believe this ask all publically employed people! This is one of them things put out by the AFT designed to generate political support during elections. After all, no teacher can be a good teacher if they are underpaid!!! Here son! let's bury our posteriers here on the couch and watch inane movies or comedy shows for the next three hours!!!GOOD SPELLERS ARE GOOD READERS!!! Get your offspring to bury his nose in a book and see how fast his spelling improves. Note: I misspelled a word in an email to my daughter awhile back and got called to task for it; my kids read and spell very well because I turned the TV off for almost four years in the late-'60s and early-'70s! They had a fit; then I couldn't get their noses out of a book. PRAISE THE LORD!!! If you were to announce that the complete federal budget will go to education and all teachers will be paid a million dollars a year the AFT would whine that "teachers are underpaid!!!". The AFT deliberately left this off the screaming session during the 2004 election because Bush II had increased the federal education budget 37% in four years!!!Now I've wetted my appetite for spaghetti tonight!!!Oh yeah! and by the way I don't know how many people spotted it but I deliberately misspelled 'publicly' twice in the second paragraph of this monograph.i read o beleave me i read alot!!!!! i hardly watch TV and i only come on here for the forum and maybe resaerch ya i no my spelling and grammar are bad on the forum... this is my "relaxation place" i don't want to have to be on the dot about every spelling error and wronge grammar usage beleave me my mouth can spell better than my fingers! if it bugs someone too bad deal with it. personally as long as i'm happy with my life i don't care what people think...
Which one would you take more seriously:
#1 i *** here and spel what and how i want 2
or
#2 I come here and spell the way I want to.
Personnally, I'm not going to pay much attention to #1. My nieghbor's 14 year old spells better than that (and that's saying something, considering his grades).
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jeffrey-wimberly wrote: Which one would you take more seriously:#1 i *** here and spel what and how i want 2or#2 I come here and spell the way I want to.Personnally, I'm not going to pay much attention to #1. My nieghbor's 14 year old spells better than that (and that's saying something, considering his grades).
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Midnight Railroader wrote: bighead wrote: R. T. POTEET wrote: davidmbedard wrote: Fact-Teachers are underpayed.This statement has more holes in it than a spaghetti colander!!!All publically employed people are underpaid; if you don't believe this ask all publically employed people! This is one of them things put out by the AFT designed to generate political support during elections. After all, no teacher can be a good teacher if they are underpaid!!! Here son! let's bury our posteriers here on the couch and watch inane movies or comedy shows for the next three hours!!!GOOD SPELLERS ARE GOOD READERS!!! Get your offspring to bury his nose in a book and see how fast his spelling improves. Note: I misspelled a word in an email to my daughter awhile back and got called to task for it; my kids read and spell very well because I turned the TV off for almost four years in the late-'60s and early-'70s! They had a fit; then I couldn't get their noses out of a book. PRAISE THE LORD!!! If you were to announce that the complete federal budget will go to education and all teachers will be paid a million dollars a year the AFT would whine that "teachers are underpaid!!!". The AFT deliberately left this off the screaming session during the 2004 election because Bush II had increased the federal education budget 37% in four years!!!Now I've wetted my appetite for spaghetti tonight!!!Oh yeah! and by the way I don't know how many people spotted it but I deliberately misspelled 'publicly' twice in the second paragraph of this monograph.i read o beleave me i read alot!!!!! i hardly watch TV and i only come on here for the forum and maybe resaerch ya i no my spelling and grammar are bad on the forum... this is my "relaxation place" i don't want to have to be on the dot about every spelling error and wronge grammar usage beleave me my mouth can spell better than my fingers! if it bugs someone too bad deal with it. personally as long as i'm happy with my life i don't care what people think...The way you express yourself here is the way people see you. If you're satisfied coming across as a kid who doesn't know the basics of grammar or spelling, that's your choice, but understand that your posts here are viewed with them in mind and are judged similarly. You don't get to write as you do and then also complain that people don't listen to you or take you seriously.
Ok. Fine. I suppose your right, I will form now on check my postes before posting. Thanks for the wake up everyone. Just so you know, i'm a straight A and B student ,my lowest grade is a C in math, and I do normally check my spelling and things. Just haven't here.
Hoople wrote:I wouldn't rant too much... The walls have eyes.
Train Master wrote:ok, my speling isnt what it could be but its a lot better than number 1 in your example. at least i dont go round lyin bout things
jeffrey-wimberly wrote: Hoople wrote:I wouldn't rant too much... The walls have eyes.Not to mention ears.
lol Gusse you guys didn't catch that...I spelt "posts" wronge on prupose I spelt it "postes"
lol
Ok. Now that we have had this conversation may we move on? please?
Hoople wrote:I said that as the what... Second post in this thread? Or was it third? Anyway, the person who we're talking about pointed me to this thread and is very mad, and possibly sad.
bighead wrote: lol Gusse you guys didn't catch that...I spelt "posts" wronge on prupose I spelt it "postes"lol-Jake
Midnight Railroader wrote: bighead wrote: lol Gusse you guys didn't catch that...I spelt "posts" wronge on prupose I spelt it "postes"lol-JakeDid you also misspell "guess," "spelled," "wrong," and "purpose" on purpose in this post?
I saw how you "spelt" it.
On the under payed teacher thing. The teachers average 47K/year where I live. Everyone else in this town averages about 20K.(Seriously! It's THAT low) They still complain they are under payed even at more than twice the local average. Didn't they know this when they picked their college major? It's too bad the teachers union shot down the incentive bonus idea. I think they should get a bonus for graduating kids with higher grades rather than a higher number of kids with lousy grades. (but, that's the union for ya!) Also, teaching should be more than popping in a DVD and making the class watch it. The kids here tell me that's the norm these days.Yes! I do believe teaching starts at home.
65% of my property taxes in Ohio went to the schools. (I don't have kids) Do you mean to tell me it takes more money to run a school system than it takes to run the whole city of Columbus Ohio???(Does anyone see a problem here???)
R.T. POTEET-The monograph. Ah, yes. The lost art of indentation...
HOOPLE-Who cares? This forum should be the least of his worries.