Some people spend far too much time watching (Inaccurate and unbelievable) TV shows and Hollywood movies.
How the heck can you hijack a train?
Hijack, as in "Take me to Cuba!"
Bah, get a life, please.
Cheers
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Well I am a terrorist, and thanks for giving me all these nice hints on how to kill you all!
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Oh, good grief - without a railhead ramp to unload it, it's just so much dead iron, anyway. The vehicles are stripped of anything removable before they're loaded, and the heavy weapons are missing breechblocks, and given that it takes most of the skilled and experienced men and NCOs in a well-trained unit to get it all onto a train in the first place, it seems pretty unlikely that you could do anything with it other than run it into - um, wherever the CTC dispatcher directs you to.
So not such a big worry, I think.
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Hi Iceman-c27
The first indication you will get of armed guards on a military train is when as the person borrowing the equipment you have a loud noise followed by a painful red sticky wet patch on your shirt.
The railroads don't provide any extra security for a military train and it isn't listed on the working timetable either security is provided by the military and they tend to get very upset when people want to borrow their equipment.
Hijacking a military train is not an easy thing to do because know one outside the military knows where its from its destination its time table. besides where do you hide a train load of tanks till you can get the ammunition and or guns.
Have you tried to just jump on a train doing 60 miles an hour
regards John
SpaceMouse wrote:"Take that next dirt road into Mexico or the brakeman gets it!"
One must also remember that railroads have their own police and SWAT units too. I've seen a Canadian Pacific SWAT team protecting some sort of valueable cargo here in Milwaukee, these guys look better equipped than the FBI! Full body armor, submachine guns and full face masks. I have no idea what they were guarding, but then again I probably don't want to at all.
Cheers!
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JON168 wrote: and just a footnote...the ship in "Under Siege'' was an Iowa class battleship, not a destroyer........and the ''carrier battle group'' scenario is correct.....getting through the defenses of a battle group is almost [but not completely] impossible.
and just a footnote...the ship in "Under Siege'' was an Iowa class battleship, not a destroyer........and the ''carrier battle group'' scenario is correct.....getting through the defenses of a battle group is almost [but not completely] impossible.
It doesn't matter to me if it was Gilligan's "minnow" class dingy, my point is that you can't believe what you see in movies. He (iceman) was saying that in under siege 2 and broken arrow depicted two probable scenarios of a train being hijacked and controlled, won't ever happen like in those movies. Then he said that an aircraft carrier group is not likely to be a target for attack, when someone else said that they would have more fear towards a hijacked aircraft carrier than a train. I pointed out under siege one because that's what that movie depicted, an attack on a naval ship. Point was to say: "If you believe what you see in movies, then an aircraft carrier is fair game as well."
TONY
"If we never take the time, how can we ever have the time." - Merovingian (Matrix Reloaded)
Where would a hijacked train go? Not like you could drive it off to a secluded area and unload it......and unless you brought some huge cranes....you won't be unloading any vehicles.....now small arms and ammunition, explosives and other assorted ordinance might be an attractive target, but the unloading thing is still there....where? how? and making good your getaway......I don't think trying to jack a train load of anything is a very smart idea.
Plus the certain response from law enforcement and D.O.D. would make any such idea foolish at best.
and just a footnote...the ship in "Under Siege'' was an Iowa class battleship, not a destroyer........and the ''carrier battle group'' scenario that Iceman posted is correct.....getting through the defenses of a battle group is almost [but not completely] impossible.
davekelly wrote: I guess we need to watch out for a "What Kind of DCC System Is Best" thread from a new member in Afghanistan who says "I only need a system that will run one train, it will need to start the train, but does not need to stop the train."I'll keep my eyes open!
I guess we need to watch out for a "What Kind of DCC System Is Best" thread from a new member in Afghanistan who says "I only need a system that will run one train, it will need to start the train, but does not need to stop the train."
I'll keep my eyes open!
Man I'm glad I read this thread or I would have missed this gem. Funniest thing I've read in a long while.
Iceman_c27 wrote: Hehehe...now there is nothing for you to worry about that at all!A aircraft carrier travels as a 'group' with 2 nuclear hunter/killer subs, 3 destroyers, one Aegis cruiser, support vessels and most of them have over 100 aircraft with all capabilities flying 24 hour patrols in shifts and F-14's can hit targets over 100 miles out and that's plus their crusing range of over 600 miles. Most invaders get blown out of the sky before they even know what happened. Nothing can get close to it even if you try. Let's say you are so lucky that you got through all that and at the last minute, you will still be blasted to pieces by the Phanlax defence system. And at 40+ knots top speed and 30+ knots crusing speed, it can outrun most civilian or commercial vessels anyway.
Hehehe...now there is nothing for you to worry about that at all!
A aircraft carrier travels as a 'group' with 2 nuclear hunter/killer subs, 3 destroyers, one Aegis cruiser, support vessels and most of them have over 100 aircraft with all capabilities flying 24 hour patrols in shifts and F-14's can hit targets over 100 miles out and that's plus their crusing range of over 600 miles. Most invaders get blown out of the sky before they even know what happened. Nothing can get close to it even if you try. Let's say you are so lucky that you got through all that and at the last minute, you will still be blasted to pieces by the Phanlax defence system. And at 40+ knots top speed and 30+ knots crusing speed, it can outrun most civilian or commercial vessels anyway.
Seeing that you like to believe what's in the movies, didn't a destroyer get hijacked in "Under Seige One"? So what makes you think that any ship is safe? IF you believe what you see in the movies. Something a little more likely would be what is depicted in the movie "The Peacemaker."
Iceman_c27 wrote: All I am saying is, before 9/11, people are dismissing the idea of a commercial aircraft been used as a weapon and some even laughed at the idea while they know all along that it's fast, big, full of highly flammable jet fuel and people can just take a knife right out of their lunch boxes.
All I am saying is, before 9/11, people are dismissing the idea of a commercial aircraft been used as a weapon and some even laughed at the idea while they know all along that it's fast, big, full of highly flammable jet fuel and people can just take a knife right out of their lunch boxes.
I really hope you don't believe this "fact" either. I assure you that if I was facing some guy that is trying to hijack a plane I was on, and he was armed with only a knife, I'm sure that me and probably others would risk our lives to try to overpower this individual. Now if he has a gun or a bomb of some kind, which was more likely to have been the case on 9/11, then I can see how they were able to take control of the plane.
wetidlerjr wrote: Iceman_c27 wrote: Was watching this Tepanachi 8 hr DVD and saw those military trains with a whole train full of military hardware including rocket lauching HUMMVEE's, armoured vehicles and even tanks.So my question is this, what security measure do the railroad company provide to stop terrorists from just hijack a trainful of military hardware? It looks pretty dangerous to me as in some sections in the middle of a desert, the train slows down and then people can just jump on board and hijack it. Think about all those military hardware which is enough to outfit a whole army division. A recent NS train I saw that was carrying M1 Abrams tanks had a DOD caboose at the end. My guess would be armed guards on it. I am sure that NS Police also were on it and directly involved in trackside security.
Iceman_c27 wrote: Was watching this Tepanachi 8 hr DVD and saw those military trains with a whole train full of military hardware including rocket lauching HUMMVEE's, armoured vehicles and even tanks.So my question is this, what security measure do the railroad company provide to stop terrorists from just hijack a trainful of military hardware? It looks pretty dangerous to me as in some sections in the middle of a desert, the train slows down and then people can just jump on board and hijack it. Think about all those military hardware which is enough to outfit a whole army division.
Was watching this Tepanachi 8 hr DVD and saw those military trains with a whole train full of military hardware including rocket lauching HUMMVEE's, armoured vehicles and even tanks.
So my question is this, what security measure do the railroad company provide to stop terrorists from just hijack a trainful of military hardware? It looks pretty dangerous to me as in some sections in the middle of a desert, the train slows down and then people can just jump on board and hijack it. Think about all those military hardware which is enough to outfit a whole army division.
A recent NS train I saw that was carrying M1 Abrams tanks had a DOD caboose at the end. My guess would be armed guards on it. I am sure that NS Police also were on it and directly involved in trackside security.
I think you are right, just saw a Santa Fe Majave mainline DVD and they have a special military train to haul military hardware to Fort Worth in TX and they commented that that's the only occasion they use caboose in what seems to be the early 90's. It's only fair to assume that that caboose was probably full of fully armed MP's.
Now THAT's FUNNY!
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Imagine if the terrorists start buying model trains to check the feasibility of such a scheme, sales will skyrocket as they will need to make a full train of a hundred cars or so, multiple units, accurate models of the terrain, depiction of all the personel, they would develop new skills and get so wrapped up in the hobby that they would forget why they actually began.
If they did a simulation blowup, then they would have to build a replacement model, more sales, more trains, more scenery items and track, maybe we should encourage them, they would be so busy having fun the world would become a much safer place.
And I must clarify, I was talking about the "Real" Stargate, the one with T'ilk, Amanda etc, not the pretend ones that are kept secret.
Teditor
Teditor wrote: Two things have become clear in this topic, the terrorists only need to read this thread to get all the ideas, and my belief in Stargate has been shot down.Teditor
Two things have become clear in this topic, the terrorists only need to read this thread to get all the ideas, and my belief in Stargate has been shot down.
Stargate? That was a program back in the 70's where Uncle Sam thought to hire Mind Readers to imagine what the Soviets where up to.
I prefer tangible action like placing a machine onto the actual link to the Kremlin under the ocean and retrieving the recordings by sub every so often.
Terrorists are too busy cranking out propaganda for thier children to do anything over here. I believe we will get attacked at some point in the future and it aint going to be via a Highjacked military train. All they need to do is watch Under Seige Two Movie for a Hollywood view of that idea.
Ft Meade can read all the posts they want to. Some of them might actually take up Model Railroading in their off duty hours Cheers!
George In Midcoast Maine, 'bout halfway up the Rockland branch
Texas Chief wrote: Well, about 3 of you were on the right track, so to speak. Doesn't anyone remember "Goldfinger"? Maybe the terrorists don't want the military equiptment, just destroy it so we can't use it overseas against them. They would therefore just blow up the train.DickTexas Chief
Well, about 3 of you were on the right track, so to speak. Doesn't anyone remember "Goldfinger"? Maybe the terrorists don't want the military equiptment, just destroy it so we can't use it overseas against them. They would therefore just blow up the train.
Dick
Texas Chief
I doubt if they could destroy very much. First of all, the really lethal stuff is already armored and difficult to completely destroy. Second, a train a mile long would take some serious might to destroy more than a few carloads. If you want to keep the the stuff from moving overseas, or at least delay it, need to go for the ports. Trains can be rerouted, so can ships but its much more difficult.
Rick
You know they are watching you. A place in Virginia is monitoring what you are saying. If certain words are typed,it sends out a red flag.
How would you go and hijack a train and then hide it???????????? Kevin
I do suppose that if you want to, you can spend your life worrying about improbable things like this. Millions of people worldwide do just that.
You lot. You spend all your time thinking about dying, like you're going to get killed by eggs, or beef, or global warming, or asteroids. But you never take time to imagine the impossible. That maybe you survive.
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okiechoochoo wrote:I remember several years ago following a truck on I-40 carrying a tank with it turrent pointing back at me. Believe me that was a load for that truck. I wouldn't think the terrorist could move a tank unnoticed.
YOu probably saw the unit with it's turret reversed in a travel position. The trailer probably was a special one designed to carry the weight of the load. The Tractor most likely has the moxie to take that load and out run most us Company Mortals.
The Govt knows durn well what is happening to that tank. No one will move a tank unnoticed. I can imagine it now all of those people calling on a cellphone to report a tank lumbering off the interstate ramp.
Scale Inspectors must be stamped from some kind of factory. They need the assistance of Govt Load Minders to show up and make them "Buzz off" and go away while the load proceeds. No one touches anything on that trailer without the say-so of Dear Uncle Sam.
Hehehe...you know what? I don't think we will never know the truth if there had anything that ever happened along this line. Why? I assume it's the same worldwide that the military are loosing stuff on a daily basis and they just choose not to tell you about it. I have a friend used to be in the Australian Army Reserve. Everytime they went on excercise, they always lost a thing or 2. Like someone went to take a dumo with their Styre AUG and then forgot where they put it and someone was caught trying to sell 8 stolen Army grenade launchers at $15,000 a piece just few weeks ago. Also had another friend's frien who worked in Australian Defence Industry's munition factory producing machines guns, they lost about 30 of them every year and even the Police lost a whole container loads of Glock 21's but they never acknowledged or denied it. So what's the whole point to all this? Someone might just be stockpiling munitions etc just to hijack a military train! LOL
But seriously, it was on the news the other week, someone stolen a tank car-ful of ammonium nitrate and that's a lot of bomb making material so I am telling you, it's a matter of time, even if it's just a armoured vehicle for s sleeper cell, even an single armoured car can be used for a lot of things.
Well, in my adventures as a truck driver, I'll just say the military looks after it's shipments. As for the D.O.T. cop who decided to inspect a U.S. Gov't load, well, he's serving a nice long prison sentence. Uncle Sam doesn't take kindly to strangers messing with their loads. As far as the military knows, how do they know that cop is real, and not an imposter? I've seen enough trucks being "escorted", and weigh stations shut down just as that truck gets close, to realize they're hauling Gov't freight. I can assure you, rail shipments are equally well guarded, although you may not see it. Most of the tanks, Hummers, etc., do have fuel in them, if only a few gallons, though the keys (if any) may not be present. However, they are plenty secured (not just the chains and tie downs), but I mean things like batteries disconnected, fuel line shut-off's closed, anti-theft systems engaged, and the like. The military has manuals devoted to the proper loading, and securement, of each piece of equipment they ship, and they cover such things as "disconnect battery", "turn on anti theft device", "shut off fuel line", etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they fill out a checksheet for every piece that they load on a train.
Brad
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Iceman_c27 wrote: I think if they really want to do it, they can and they will. Before 9/11, would you imagine someone would use a commercial jet as a missile? ;-)I hope the FBI is reading this thread because I really think this is a real potential situation and real security ought to be considered as per my post above this one, it is possible and been shown in various movies. darday wrote:
I think if they really want to do it, they can and they will. Before 9/11, would you imagine someone would use a commercial jet as a missile? ;-)
I hope the FBI is reading this thread because I really think this is a real potential situation and real security ought to be considered as per my post above this one, it is possible and been shown in various movies.
darday wrote:
Hmm, didn't the Japanese fly planes into U.S. ships during WWII? Not commercial planes obviously but the idea wasn't new. Targeting was certainly new-buildings are stationary and they don't return fire. Radical Islam was able to sweep aside the inconvenience of passengers on board just as they were able to justify their "mission".
If FBI is reading this thread let's hope it's OK for them to talk to the military.
Jon
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jecorbett wrote:A far greater danger is sabotage of the tracks. Frankly, I'm surprised they haven't tried that. Blowing up a bridge while a train with hazardous material is passing over could cause a lot of damage and potentially loss of life.
A far greater danger is sabotage of the tracks. Frankly, I'm surprised they haven't tried that. Blowing up a bridge while a train with hazardous material is passing over could cause a lot of damage and potentially loss of life.
Agreed. A small remote controlled detonator on a tank car containing explosive and/or toxic material would be far easier to do than hijack a military train and have a far greater chance of success.
reklein wrote:What if say a disgruntled Nat.Guardsman were to get in a tank and just say drive it through a neighbor hood and then maybe down a freeway???
Been there, done that - several years ago in Southern California. Dude rolled down a residential street, squashing cars, knocking down light poles and clipping fireplugs, then got out on the freeway with half the local law enforcement strength of the local area in pursuit. Finally got stopped when he tried to go over a concrete median barrier and high-centered longitudinally.
That was featured on, "Amazing Police Chases," or some similar program name.
Chuck