msowsun wrote: The first pair and the fourth pair are indeed sprung. the 2nd and last are soild. The middle pair are blind, but they are also slightly undersize and don't touch the rails! The transformation has begun. (new trailing truck)
The first pair and the fourth pair are indeed sprung. the 2nd and last are soild. The middle pair are blind, but they are also slightly undersize and don't touch the rails! The transformation has begun. (new trailing truck)
Thanks for all of the pics, especially the dissassembly. That looks like a Bachmann K4 trailing truck.
Does it have much in the way of weight and tractive effort?
Nelson
Ex-Southern 385 Being Hoisted
Good eyes! It is a Bachmann trailing truck that I substituted.
It does pull quite well....It has a large weight but overall it is not as good as I expected from a 2-10-2. Three things might be causing a slight reduction in pulling power.
1) The weight is a little off center. There should be a liitle more weight near the front.
2) Only 4 sets of drivers are contacticng the rails. (undersize center drivers)
3) The sprung drivers may not be perfectly set up for max adhesion.
Here are some prototype photos:
msowsun wrote: Good eyes! It is a Bachmann trailing truck that I substituted.
Thanks. The Phillips screws in the frame were the giveaway.
msowsun wrote: It does pull quite well....It has a large weight but overall it is not as good as I expected from a 2-10-2. Three things might be causing a slight reduction in pulling power. 1) The weight is a little off center. There should be a liitle more weight near the front. 2) Only 4 sets of drivers are contacticng the rails. (undersize center drivers) 3) The sprung drivers may not be perfectly set up for max adhesion.
It's probably all of the above. Steamer traction is always a problem unless they resort to traction tires. Maybe it will improve when the tires wear in a little.
The prototype was a monster.
For example, you will move the bell to the left side of the boiler. How will you patch the hole and will you simply drill a new one?
The bell should be easy. I will probably use this bell. http://www.miniaturesbyeric.com/itm00017.htm or this one and make it fit.
or this one and make it fit. http://www.miniaturesbyeric.com/itm00019.htm
I can plug the hole or there is other piping that will cover the hole.
For my eyes, it seems that the steam dome is too far back on the boiler.
Yes, I will install a new steam dome where the 2nd sand dome is now.
You feel the rear sand dome needs to move back.
Yes, the 2nd sand dome unscrews from inside the boiler so I will just move it farther back.
The popoff valves need to be relocted inside a circular "tub" where the steam dome is now.
How will you get rid of the stanchion once you move the dome?
Which stanchions do you mean?
Will you use styrene to patch?
Yes, styrene is is easy to work with.
I am just getting started but I will make updates as I go along....
Mike
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If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Thanks for your response, Mike. It looked to me like you had remove the rearmost dome in one of your latest photos and that there was a stanchion of sorts left below it...?
I dropped by the local Extra Foods in Comox and had a look. I found the model to be less than exciting. Ignoring the cheap ore cars, the engine's valve gear are problematic...no gear hanger, for example. Also, the white strip on the walkways are nearly translucent, milky instead of opaque. Spells cheap. I know that much of this is fixable, but I think I will just enjoy the Trix Mikado that Santa has stached away some place.
It looked to me like you had remove the rearmost dome in one of your latest photos and that there was a stanchion of sorts left below it...?
Here is a close up........................
msowsun,
Wow looks like you've been very busy. I recently went to my local Lawblaws and they don't have any in stock yet. "Still in transport" or something. But some more photo's of your progress would be great as I have been wanting to do the same with some of the latest PC Loco, like the Hudson and 'Bullet-Nosed-Betty.' I certainly can't wait to get my hands on one of these models. It is probably the best one that out lately!
Ghonz
- Matt
OK, OK it says "the other railroad" on it.
With most likely a lot of work, it can be made to look like a CPR 2-10-2
It's on my Christmas Wish List now.
Gordon
Brought to you by the letters C.P.R. as well as D&H!
K1a - all the way
msowsun wrote:I just picked up mine today. It comes with a dummy front coupler and NMRA rear coupler which I have changed already. It runs really well, but my first impression is that it doesn't seem to pull as well I expected for a 2-10-2. Here are some photos of a brass CNR 4100 to compare. I plan to change the tender and add an all-weather cab. The rear sand dome is removable so I will be moving it farther back as per the prototype. The tender does not have a DCC plug.
I just picked up mine today. It comes with a dummy front coupler and NMRA rear coupler which I have changed already. It runs really well, but my first impression is that it doesn't seem to pull as well I expected for a 2-10-2.
Here are some photos of a brass CNR 4100 to compare.
Got mine today. Well ... I think I did. At least that's what the wife said. Thanks for the Christmas idea. So.......... I guess I have to wait til Christmas morning to find out. Oh well .....
GUB
GUB wrote: Got mine today. Well ... I think I did. At least that's what the wife said. Thanks for the Christmas idea. So.......... I guess I have to wait til Christmas morning to find out. Oh well ..... GUB
Just don't shake your packages too hard on Christmas Eve!
Mine's in the "never to be opened 'til I die" vault - the store I went to even had last years with those ugly cars which I avoided buying for 50.00. (so I bought one)
I am currently negotiating a bulk deal for those since they can't get rid of them at any price.
1train1 wrote: Mine's in the "never to be opened 'til I die" vault - the store I went to even had last years with those ugly cars which I avoided buying for 50.00. (so I bought one) I am currently negotiating a bulk deal for those since they can't get rid of them at any price.
A friend of mine who I think knows the store manager, bought three of last years sets for $25.00 each last week. We'll probably raffle them at our mid winter show.
His adult daughter was in the same store and saw a set in a bargain bin, with a slightly damaged box, priced at $25.00. When she inquired how she could find out if the contents were still OK, they offered it to her for $15.00! There are bargains out there I guess. I paid $50.00 for my last years set a few months ago, but paid the full retail price this week for this years set with the 2-10-2.
Bob Boudreau
CANADA
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Pathfinder wrote:All these people buying it and no user reviews on the PC web site.I will do one once I can get a set, not sure when/if our local Extra Foods will be bringing any in this year.
Railphotog wrote:Check the December RMC (Can we mention it here??) for a review of the IHC 2-10-2. The reviewer likes the engine, and plans to get more of the US $129.95 version.
In fact over at Eddystone Locomotives they convert the old Rivarossi 2-10-2's into B&O Big Sixes using the IHC frame.
I was at a show a couple of weeks ago and I saw prices ranging from $70 to $175 for last years model. In fact I was talking to one guy who had just bought one for $70 and I don't think he was too impressed when I told him our local Independant was selling them for $49.95. I purchased another last years model for a freind who was giving it to her son for Christmas and I am thinking of purchasing another for myself. As of Sunday there were still 6 left on the self.
I finally finished kitbashing my IHC 2-10-2. (President's Choice, Loblaws, Superstore, etc)
I don't really have an inventory of parts, but I will describe what I used.
More of my 2-10-2 photos can be seen here at my Photobucket album. http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/msowsun/Trains/2-10-2/
The Precision Scale (Kemtron) all-weather cab won't work for this loco as it has a sloped front wall. I had planned to use the Miniatures by Eric "Early CN Steam" cab. It is probably more correct for this loco.
http://www.miniaturesbyeric.com/itm00043.htm
I got impatient waiting for it to arrive, so I ended up using a Bachmann Spectrum 2-8-0 cab with a Precision Scale all-weather cab grafted on the back and lower end.
The stock headlight isn't too bad and is probably pretty close in size to the CNR 4100. I had a Cal Scale headlight sitting in the parts box. It is a little large, but I liked the way it looked so I used it.
The bell is the stock bell re-located to the side of the boiler. I used a very small screw to attach the original IHC bell in the new location:
The rear sand dome unscrews from inside the boiler and was moved farther back.
I substituted a Bachmann trailing truck. It should also have a booster on it but I haven't found one yet.It should look something like this.
The tender is a Bachmann "Hicken" tender. Item No: 89911
This tender now has a DCC ready plug and has electrical pickup on 4 of the 6 axles. The plugs are designed to be used with Bachmann locos. It of course doesn't connect with the wiring of the IHC loco, but it is easy to rig something up to add the tender pickup. Older versions of this tender are pretty much the same, but use plastic wheels without any pick-ups.
This tender is not exactly right for this loco, but it is a huge improvement over the IHC tender. I cut off the very front, including the steps, so that it would close couple with the all-weather cab. I used .020" sheet styrene to build up a coal bunker on top of the existing oil bunker. The rear light was removed and another Cal Scale light was used at the rear. I don't know the part number as it was also just sitting in my parts box.
One other "mod" I did was too invert the triangular number board at the front. IHC has mistakenly printed the number "4100" upside down and then installed them upside down so the number is correct. I added new numbers and installed it right side up.
Mike Sowsun
When Fergie gets done with his locomotive I'm sure it will be a M.E.S.S. sorry fergie I couldn't resist.
Pathfinder wrote:Well, tried to buy one at our local Extra Foods. They are not going to carry it this year so the closest is Kamloops, at 90 km drive one way. But they also noted a high demand locally for it as well, maybe they will bring it in.
Would you like me to pick one up for you and ship it to you? Extra foods had a number of them a month ago, and Super Store in Courtenay advertizes them...although I never saw any.
selector wrote: Pathfinder wrote:Well, tried to buy one at our local Extra Foods. They are not going to carry it this year so the closest is Kamloops, at 90 km drive one way. But they also noted a high demand locally for it as well, maybe they will bring it in. Would you like me to pick one up for you and ship it to you? Extra foods had a number of them a month ago, and Super Store in Courtenay advertizes them...although I never saw any.
I do our grocery shopping on Sunday's (unless it is Monday/Tuesday coupon day ), so if they do not have one tomorrow I will pm you. I really appreciate the offer, thanks
e-mail sent!
I sent an Email to SuperStore HQ asking about a bulk deal for the non-moving Hudsons. Heard nothing from them and the next thing I see is that they seem to have disappeared completely in the Halifax stores I've visited.
I wonder if anyone has had better luck with the Hudsons?
Kurt