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Posted by ajpaschal on Saturday, September 27, 2003 11:00 AM
I have both scratch built and kit bashed many models. While there are many very good models out of the box incliding decoration, there is often some minor details that need to be added, removed, or changed.

My first scratch bulit locomotive was a the "Kitchen Table Locomotive" published in Model Railroader in te early 50's. I satill have it, but it is somewhat the worst for wear.

I kit bashed an Athearn PA-1 into a Southern Railway PA-3 using an article from the first two issues of Mainline Modeler.

I almost never buils a structure without some modifications.

I am corrantly kitabshing an Athearn Genisis pacific into a Southern Railway Ps-2. The Ps-2 has a "shot gun" or almost straight bouler and a cab design that is different than the USRA cab. The tender is alsoo unique. I'll tackle that one later.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 27, 2003 8:47 AM
I haven't built anything from scratch or kitbashed any models. I usually go with the ready to run items. However, I am collecting two locomotive types and not all paint schemes are available, so I do have to paint undecorated model locomotives to get what I'm looking for. I also add detail parts to personalize the models.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 8:57 PM
I've just gotten back into HO railroading after almost 40 years away. I'm presently kitbashing a Micro Engineering 50' through girder bridge into a skewed through girder to cross a stream on a diagonal while conforming to an old DL&W bridge design. The plate girders are all I can salvage from the kit. My barely 3 year old grandaughter and I scratch build trees together from CAT V wire, florist tape and lichen and have a great time with good results. Scratch building with a 3 year old gives it a whole new meaning. Next kibashing/scratch build project on an adult scale will be a plate girder bridge from an old Susquhanna line that looks like it had to be shored at some point during its lifetime. More Micro Engineering parts and some Plastruc.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 6:16 PM
When I started my first layout over 50 years ago, good and affordable structure structure kits were not easy to find. I started out making my own using balsa wood. They were as realistic as the Suydam cardboard kits popular at the time. Many years later I enjoy kitbashing, but I also have purchased some of the Walthers built-ups.

I still feel that the fun of creating is as much fun as operating!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 5:47 PM
I am really new to model railroading, so I am sticking with things that are ready to run or kits that I can put together. I don't feel I am ready to try something from scratch yet. Maybe some day.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 4:39 PM
I kitbash rolling stock & scratch-build structures. I bashed a sharp transfer caboose from a caboose & flat car kit and am buildiing a yard-office out of a bay window caboose with a neighboring box car for a storage shed and a tank truck.

I have also scratch-built an interlocking tower, a metal office/storage building, an d an oil storage tank, all out of plastic [mainly styrene] to match prototypes. I also scratch build most of my trees.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 4:00 PM
I much prefer scratchbuilding or even kitbashing structures to get the right "feel" for my layout. I model the around my home, but in the 1950's, and a few DPM kits are closer to what I need. But also prevelent in this area are large clapboard homes and bank barns. Its amazing how fast you can build these with a large supply of styrene parts!
I've also kitbashed a lot of engines and rolling stock, but the huge amount of correct stuff on the market already prcludes me from wanting to do any more. It simply isn't worth it to scratchbuild a boxcar.
So as long as windows, doors, sheet brick and styrene siding are available, I'll keep building!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 12:11 PM
Sometimes, I build the kit straight from the box, others, kitbash, and still others totally scratch build. It just depends on my needs at the time. I think nowadays that the quality of most kits leaves little reason to scratch build much. Kitbashing though keeps the layout looking different from anyone else's.
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Posted by ngfred on Friday, September 26, 2003 12:11 PM
My first scratch build was some 45 +/- yearsago. These were built following the articles in MR's "Dollar Car'" series many years ago.. These made nice cars, and were right for the dollars I had at the time. Build a box, gon. flat and some others. These were not superdetailed, but in a string, one can not realy tell. Maybe MR could up date these, re-release in the mag. Fred in NC. Via AZ, CA,and CO.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 12:03 PM
I have built a lot of cars from basic kits that have stripwood, hardware and plans but little else. While I was in the Navy during Korea, I got quite a few car kits and 4 or 5 brass loco kits.
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Posted by Bergie on Friday, September 26, 2003 11:49 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by flee307

A better question would be "do you ever build a kit exactly as directed"? Bet you would get a big fat 0% on that one. Here's a challange, buy a kirbi, faller, or cornerstone kit, throw away the instructions, remove all the parts from the sprues, then fit it together like a 3d jigsaw puzzle using only the pictures on the box. You'll love it! FRED


Hi Fred,

I agree and disagree with your statements. I build a lot of freight car kits as directed, and some structure kits. I bet a lot of people would say the same.

I couldn't agree more with the Kibri kit challenge. That's a great idea. Their structure kits are so well done. They have some of the best tooling out there. I've been saying for years that I wi***hey'd bring out more North American-style structures. Some of their European-style kits can be adapted for use on a North American focused layout, but it would be nice to have a better selection.

Scratch on,
Erik
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 9:53 AM
I built my first steam engine from a Tyco kit in 1968 and it still looks and runs like brand new. I then started using kits as the base to build engines that I saw and liked. Have tried some of the newer kits, but, too much plastic. Does anyone sell good basic metal engine kits or are they history?
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Posted by connrail on Friday, September 26, 2003 9:29 AM
I don't have the skills for good scratch building, but love to take a building kit or kits and create a new structure from the parts, primarily from plastic kits. If I need something in a hurry, I build the basic kit and add detailing until it has the "look" that I am trying for. I built a Walthers Hardwood Furniture plant this way, making the structure stock, then added lots of vents, blowers & machinery to the roof, windows and walls, and gave the windows facing the railroad side of the building a look of many windows being replaced due to breakage or just covered over. If creating a structure where time is not a factor, I will temporarily tape walls sections together and if necessary, keep changing or moving them until I see what I want and just start creating from there. Changes can occur as the building grows, sometimes by adding a second kit and/or parts to make a unique structure. There is a lubricant company growing in this manner. 2 DPM Drywell Inks, 3 tall model power oil tanks and a Walthers Tankcar filling platform are forming a company that specializes in industrial lubricants.
I feel that there are a good many kits out on the market and most anyone can create unique structures for their layout, just by kitbashing- all it takes is a good imagination and time to have fun in model railroading.
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Posted by jbmoran on Friday, September 26, 2003 9:27 AM
I'm trying to gain assembly skills (yep, I'm a novice) by using kits 'as-is'. Once I feel competent to assemble various materials, then, maybe, I'll consider 'bashing' something together...right now, tho', I don't think I could pull it off to my satisfaction...
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 9:19 AM
When you're trying to recreate things you remember from years gone by, the only way you can get it is by building it yourself from scratch or modifying something that's close to what you want. When I started my CB&Q layout 2-1/2 years ago... there wasn't much out there off the shelf... But that didn't matter... I've scratch built some small things and built every building, rolling stock and locomotive from a kit, modifying them to be something I remember or found in photo. GREAT HOBBY, isn't it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 8:53 AM
I seem to be constitutionally unable to build a kit straight out of the box. I nearly always make some modification to fit my layout's size, a structure's location or the era and location I model. When I can't find a kit for a structure or equipment I need, I scratchbuild. It's made me a better modeler.
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Posted by sparkingbolt on Friday, September 26, 2003 8:13 AM
Most my structures are or will be scratchbuilt. Some from imagination following realistic practice. Some will be faithful replicas of actual local buildings from Coos Bay or Bend Oregon. Some follow plans or pictures in MR. And, some will be 'bashed.
Locomotives can be almost stock, but many are heavily kitbashed, such as a 4-4-0 following the MR article in the Dec '82 issue (An MDC/Mantua 4-4-0, By Bob Ottoson) and a few "critters" using Bachman 44 tonner mechanisms.
Most freight cars are stock, exept ALL get Kadee couplers, no copycats, and metal wheelsets. Some are scratchbuilt, some 'bashed. All are or will be weathered.
Automobiles run the full range from scratchbuilt, kits, modified toys, untouched RTR's Dan S
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Posted by sparkingbolt on Friday, September 26, 2003 8:13 AM
Most my structures are or will be scratchbuilt. Some from imagination following realistic practice. Some will be faithful replicas of actual local buildings from Coos Bay or Bend Oregon. Some follow plans or pictures in MR. And, some will be 'bashed.
Locomotives can be almost stock, but many are heavily kitbashed, such as a 4-4-0 following the MR article in the Dec '82 issue (An MDC/Mantua 4-4-0, By Bob Ottoson) and a few "critters" using Bachman 44 tonner mechanisms.
Most freight cars are stock, exept ALL get Kadee couplers, no copycats, and metal wheelsets. Some are scratchbuilt, some 'bashed. All are or will be weathered.
Automobiles run the full range from scratchbuilt, kits, modified toys, untouched RTR's Dan S
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 7:35 AM
Hi,
I rarely kitbash, and i've never scracthbuilt from the ground up. I believe that in this age there are many fine kits available. With the proper painting and attetion to weathering one can personalize any "shake-the-box" model.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 7:35 AM
Hi,
I rarely kitbash, and i've never scracthbuilt from the ground up. I believe that in this age there are many fine kits available. With the proper painting and attetion to weathering one can personalize any "shake-the-box" model.
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Posted by tmackinator on Friday, September 26, 2003 7:19 AM
I have no purchased structures on my layout. For me, the fun is making your own pieces. I made a nice oak gallows turntable (O scale) fully functional to go with my stick framed round house. The skill levels I have seen from other folks work is most impressive. The beauty of this hobby is there is no wrong way to approach it. - T.M.
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Posted by tmackinator on Friday, September 26, 2003 7:19 AM
I have no purchased structures on my layout. For me, the fun is making your own pieces. I made a nice oak gallows turntable (O scale) fully functional to go with my stick framed round house. The skill levels I have seen from other folks work is most impressive. The beauty of this hobby is there is no wrong way to approach it. - T.M.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 6:55 AM
I mostly buy and use kits., but I do sometimes modify a kit to fit a particular space or to my personal liking
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 6:55 AM
I mostly buy and use kits., but I do sometimes modify a kit to fit a particular space or to my personal liking
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Posted by dmikee on Friday, September 26, 2003 6:46 AM
Need more craftsman articles regarding buildings including plans, options, materials and especially, animation options. Secondly, good kitbashing articles are a delight. It helps the imagination and keeps the layout from looking just like every other layout.
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Posted by dmikee on Friday, September 26, 2003 6:46 AM
Need more craftsman articles regarding buildings including plans, options, materials and especially, animation options. Secondly, good kitbashing articles are a delight. It helps the imagination and keeps the layout from looking just like every other layout.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 6:17 AM
Most of my structures are scratchbuilt, a few are kitbashed or extensively modified. All are based on prototype structures. My period is the cusp of WWi so a large number of constuction and materials styles available without violating the period.

I never use RTR rollingstock. I buy kits or scratchbuild.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 6:17 AM
Most of my structures are scratchbuilt, a few are kitbashed or extensively modified. All are based on prototype structures. My period is the cusp of WWi so a large number of constuction and materials styles available without violating the period.

I never use RTR rollingstock. I buy kits or scratchbuild.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 2:38 AM
I ALWAYS make my own models! The great pride of my FOUR railroads is that I've built everything (but the trains and the mechanics) on them. Though they're not always as realistic as the models available, they're cheaper and I find them much more relaxing to design and create.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 26, 2003 2:38 AM
I ALWAYS make my own models! The great pride of my FOUR railroads is that I've built everything (but the trains and the mechanics) on them. Though they're not always as realistic as the models available, they're cheaper and I find them much more relaxing to design and create.

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