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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 18, 2003 10:01 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by emeraldisle

Originally posted by david77

MODEL RAILROADING is supposed to be fun, not critical.


Gee Mr. Emeraldisle-

What profound words. Model Railroading is supposed to be fun, not critical.

I'll have to keep that in mind.

Thanks for the heads up

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 18, 2003 10:01 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by emeraldisle

Originally posted by david77

MODEL RAILROADING is supposed to be fun, not critical.


Gee Mr. Emeraldisle-

What profound words. Model Railroading is supposed to be fun, not critical.

I'll have to keep that in mind.

Thanks for the heads up

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:43 PM
Judy, please see the other posting under women in the hobby, to see how your chain got pulled big time.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:43 PM
Judy, please see the other posting under women in the hobby, to see how your chain got pulled big time.
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Posted by dknelson on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:05 AM
I was wondering what the reaction would be to the new Furlow layout. His past efforts (always beautifully constructed and photographed of course) had some fantasy elements but were more in the nature of exaggerations of a basic truth. This new one is more like some dreams I have had. I admire the skill and can see where the fun is, but it isn't the layout I would build if I had Furlow's skills, which I do not.

I think there are things in the article for even the most fastidious modeler. Did you notice on the cover that the wood beam over the tunnel portal had each and every bit of wood grain just perfect? Most wood grain looks fake. Or that the figures on the locomotive had actual human expressions on their faces -- more so than any other figures I have ever seen. You can reject the Furlow attitude but still learn a lot from the article and the photos.

Sometimes pure fantasy can come closer to truth than prototype accuracy. Years ago there was a modeler who used S gauge balsa wood articulated steam locomotive bodies (of the most undetailed nature imaginable) on O gauge track, over mountain ranges that were purely painted (I think the guy was a museum diorama artist) and the results were absolutely startling -- some shots really looked like prototype photos although the equipment had zero detail -- none! Featured in MR around 1960 or so. Maybe Francis Lee Jaques? Look it up. The point is that prototype effect is not always the same as prototype accurate modeling, and fantasy modeling is not always the same as a fantasy effect. All layouts are an exaggeration of some sort -- after all the "average" square mile of land in this country has no railroad tracks on it whatsoever so we are already exaggerating just by having a layout at all.
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Posted by dknelson on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:05 AM
I was wondering what the reaction would be to the new Furlow layout. His past efforts (always beautifully constructed and photographed of course) had some fantasy elements but were more in the nature of exaggerations of a basic truth. This new one is more like some dreams I have had. I admire the skill and can see where the fun is, but it isn't the layout I would build if I had Furlow's skills, which I do not.

I think there are things in the article for even the most fastidious modeler. Did you notice on the cover that the wood beam over the tunnel portal had each and every bit of wood grain just perfect? Most wood grain looks fake. Or that the figures on the locomotive had actual human expressions on their faces -- more so than any other figures I have ever seen. You can reject the Furlow attitude but still learn a lot from the article and the photos.

Sometimes pure fantasy can come closer to truth than prototype accuracy. Years ago there was a modeler who used S gauge balsa wood articulated steam locomotive bodies (of the most undetailed nature imaginable) on O gauge track, over mountain ranges that were purely painted (I think the guy was a museum diorama artist) and the results were absolutely startling -- some shots really looked like prototype photos although the equipment had zero detail -- none! Featured in MR around 1960 or so. Maybe Francis Lee Jaques? Look it up. The point is that prototype effect is not always the same as prototype accurate modeling, and fantasy modeling is not always the same as a fantasy effect. All layouts are an exaggeration of some sort -- after all the "average" square mile of land in this country has no railroad tracks on it whatsoever so we are already exaggerating just by having a layout at all.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:58 AM
My complaint about the article has to do with editing.
First, you have a full page photo of a paticular area.
Then you have a full two page spread close up photo ot the same area.
Then you have another full page close up photo of the same area.
This is fine if it is a diorama, but if you want to show a layout, you should show more of the layout.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:58 AM
My complaint about the article has to do with editing.
First, you have a full page photo of a paticular area.
Then you have a full two page spread close up photo ot the same area.
Then you have another full page close up photo of the same area.
This is fine if it is a diorama, but if you want to show a layout, you should show more of the layout.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:14 PM
Ihave not seen the latest issue of MR but the cover looks great. also whats the matter with having a fictional layout? my layout also has a far-fetched fictional history.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:14 PM
Ihave not seen the latest issue of MR but the cover looks great. also whats the matter with having a fictional layout? my layout also has a far-fetched fictional history.

Alex in the sooner state[:)][:D][8D][^]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:42 AM
Thank you CNJ831 I do feel the same way!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:42 AM
Thank you CNJ831 I do feel the same way!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:01 AM
I just know that little dog standing on the steam cylinder would get his paws hot
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:01 AM
I just know that little dog standing on the steam cylinder would get his paws hot
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:29 AM
There's a little speaker with a looping sound effect inside the loco...

“pshhhhhhhhttt” “yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe!”

;)

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:29 AM
There's a little speaker with a looping sound effect inside the loco...

“pshhhhhhhhttt” “yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe!”

;)

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 21, 2003 3:43 PM
Where are the rivet counters? He sure can load up details!
Even Thumbs would enjoy this work of art. It will raise the standard for levity models.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 21, 2003 3:43 PM
Where are the rivet counters? He sure can load up details!
Even Thumbs would enjoy this work of art. It will raise the standard for levity models.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:12 PM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (Twilight Zone). I think Maicom purpose was to to shake readers out of their complacence, besides I spent the ten dollars at North Landz, and this was much more resonable.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:12 PM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (Twilight Zone). I think Maicom purpose was to to shake readers out of their complacence, besides I spent the ten dollars at North Landz, and this was much more resonable.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:47 PM
Ironhorseman took the words out of my mouth about seeing the same type of layouts all the time.

I have to admit - my first thought when I scanned the photos WAS "silly", but in a good way - whimsical. The next day when I read throught the article and really studied the MODELING, I was facinated. I'm not going to senic my layout like this, but man, I want to someday be able to scratchbuild and weather my structures like he can.

Even the style of the narrative was refreshingly different and new. I'm no artist, so I really enjoyed that point of view regarding views and slowly revealing the details and scenes. The last MR article like this was the one about 1-1/2 yrs ago about the seven (?) artist's techniques one can use to achieve visual effects.

Malcom has used the hobby to demonstrate HIS talents and have a ball doing it - I say good for him and THANKS.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:47 PM
Ironhorseman took the words out of my mouth about seeing the same type of layouts all the time.

I have to admit - my first thought when I scanned the photos WAS "silly", but in a good way - whimsical. The next day when I read throught the article and really studied the MODELING, I was facinated. I'm not going to senic my layout like this, but man, I want to someday be able to scratchbuild and weather my structures like he can.

Even the style of the narrative was refreshingly different and new. I'm no artist, so I really enjoyed that point of view regarding views and slowly revealing the details and scenes. The last MR article like this was the one about 1-1/2 yrs ago about the seven (?) artist's techniques one can use to achieve visual effects.

Malcom has used the hobby to demonstrate HIS talents and have a ball doing it - I say good for him and THANKS.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 22, 2003 8:52 PM
I have to admit, I liked it. Not something I would do but then I couldn't do the Haunted Mansion at Disney world either.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 22, 2003 8:52 PM
I have to admit, I liked it. Not something I would do but then I couldn't do the Haunted Mansion at Disney world either.
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Posted by fischey on Friday, August 22, 2003 11:26 PM
Of the Sistine Chapel, Pope Clement's comments were less than flattering as he impatiently insisted that Michelangelo fini***he job and get off the site. Picasso's wild women models with two eyes on one side of the head had the critics screaming. Nobody paid attention to a depressed painter in Flanders who had mutilated himself. His paintings sold for pennies. I at first reacted negatively to the Furlow article and then I read what Malcom had to say. I looked at it again. Revelation. I suggest you revisit the article and enjoy the visual richness and then: enjoy what Furlow is teaching you. Appreciate a master while he is with us! Stop counting the rivets and start smelling the creosote, taste the chili peppers and the beans on the stove, and snap a shot of tequila-- or if you are in Chicago, some bourbon-- and ENJOY this hobby!!!
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Posted by fischey on Friday, August 22, 2003 11:26 PM
Of the Sistine Chapel, Pope Clement's comments were less than flattering as he impatiently insisted that Michelangelo fini***he job and get off the site. Picasso's wild women models with two eyes on one side of the head had the critics screaming. Nobody paid attention to a depressed painter in Flanders who had mutilated himself. His paintings sold for pennies. I at first reacted negatively to the Furlow article and then I read what Malcom had to say. I looked at it again. Revelation. I suggest you revisit the article and enjoy the visual richness and then: enjoy what Furlow is teaching you. Appreciate a master while he is with us! Stop counting the rivets and start smelling the creosote, taste the chili peppers and the beans on the stove, and snap a shot of tequila-- or if you are in Chicago, some bourbon-- and ENJOY this hobby!!!
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Posted by dknelson on Sunday, August 24, 2003 1:03 PM
I for one will not complain that too much space was given over to a photograph. My complaint is usually just the opposite. My age 51 eyes need help!
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Posted by dknelson on Sunday, August 24, 2003 1:03 PM
I for one will not complain that too much space was given over to a photograph. My complaint is usually just the opposite. My age 51 eyes need help!
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Posted by twhite on Monday, August 23, 2004 12:58 PM
I got a bang out of Malcolm's layout, myself. I thought it was whimsical and lighthearted. And beautifully detailed, by he way. Does anyone around here happen to remember when John Allen, the Michaelangelo of model railroading in the '50's used a Stegosaurus (that's a dinosaur, folks) as a yard-switcher on his Gorre & Daphetid layout? Allow a sense of humor, folks. I remember when my nephew built a yard scene on his model railroad and I asked what the one guy was doing in back of the roundhouse, until I saw that my nephew had modeled the guy taking a leak against the brickwork. Funny! Remember, back when, MR's philosophy was MODEL RAILROADING IS FUN.
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Posted by twhite on Monday, August 23, 2004 12:58 PM
I got a bang out of Malcolm's layout, myself. I thought it was whimsical and lighthearted. And beautifully detailed, by he way. Does anyone around here happen to remember when John Allen, the Michaelangelo of model railroading in the '50's used a Stegosaurus (that's a dinosaur, folks) as a yard-switcher on his Gorre & Daphetid layout? Allow a sense of humor, folks. I remember when my nephew built a yard scene on his model railroad and I asked what the one guy was doing in back of the roundhouse, until I saw that my nephew had modeled the guy taking a leak against the brickwork. Funny! Remember, back when, MR's philosophy was MODEL RAILROADING IS FUN.

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