Probably been asked before... which was the ugliest diesel (by generation)

[Gandy Dancer]

What about this one?  CP 1000

I say utilitarian, not ugly.

[CPRail modeler]

What about this one?

http://www.mountainrailway.com/Roster%20Archive/CP%201000B/CP%201000.htm

I think I found a winner!

[jesrr]

All the tonners get my vote.

[Newyorkcentralfan]

The California Zephyr always used conventional equipment.

This might be a terminology issue with the word conventional, but the CZ used streamlined stainless steel lightweights of new designs specifically for that train.  As far a I know the only car it ever carried that was not from that design set, was a the pass-through PRR sleeper.

The California Zephyr used conventional meaning non articulated individual cars.  What else would the definition of conventional mean?

I think Charlie (renegade) is right.  I think that "Zodiac Thriller" means the original articulated  Zephyr (which eventually became the "Pioneer Zephyr") or its east coast mirror copy the "Yankee Flyer".

The Flying Yankee isn't a mirror image of the Pioneer Zephyr. The Yankee has full height cab windows on the power car as well as very different configuration on all the cars.

 

[fifedog]

Winchester & Western #120 gets my vote.

[ngartshore350]

The New EMD ACE locomotives are just ugly to me! Just no aesthetics, I'm sure they are very functional?!

[Hudson]

DL 109 is not the "Centipede". The DL-109 was built by ALCO and had a1a - a1a trucks. The "Centipedes" were locomotives built by Baldwin, Pennsy had a few variations: BP-60 and BH-50.

[JonathanS]

The SD90, SD80 and the new SD70s with the flared radiators and ugly cab.  EMD used to be known for design excellence, now it seems that they just don't care how they look.

[Cederstrand]

I noticed BL2 & U50 mentioned a few times. Sold both models of those and almost-sorta-kinda miss them, at least the U50. However, they did help pay for some nice new steam power.

I could see voting that BQ23-7 into the top 5, no problem. Resembles a long box dropped by a Fed-X driver.

How about the "ugliest paint scheme" on an engine? That can make or break one in the looks department. Rob

[nscaler711]

What is wrong with the P42?

[CPRail modeler]

 

Easy for me: the AMTRAK Genesis.

By the way, does anyone in this stream know how to spell?

,

I have to agree on the Genesis. Before that is the GE U-boats. UGH...(shudders).

BTW Yes we do know how to spell on this forum. We just choose not to.

[Anonymous]

 

Easy for me: the AMTRAK Genesis.

By the way, does anyone in this stream know how to spell?

[leonardbrand]

My apology to your pug, he or she is a beautiful dog, can't say that for the BQ23-7 o yes I forgot and left out a thing made for the GM&O by Ingersoll Rand which looked like somekind of insect

[Cannoli]

Your BQ23-7...

Image Copyright Wade H. Massie

My Pug...

I'll stick with the pug. 

[myred02]

Located the one I was refering to. General Defective's  BQ23-7 of which SCL purchased all of.

You mean this thing?

Image Copyright Wade H. Massie

You're right, it does remind me of a pug nose dog! [EDIT] In a good way!

-Brandon

[coldguy]

10. GE 70-tonner 

9. Foreign diesels 

8. I just don't like any cowled diesels(F7, PA)

7. F40ph

6. GE U-boats

5. Alco RS-1,RS-2,RS-3

4. Fairbanks-Morse

3. High-nosed GPs and SDs 

2. I'd never seen a BL2 before, but damn its Ugly!

1. Railpower Green Goats

[leonardbrand]

Located the one I was refering to. General Defective's  BQ23-7 of which SCL purchased all of.

[Gandy Dancer]

 it even made the Edsel car look good.

Most of the cars on the road today do that!

[leonardbrand]

Back longer than I care to remember the CSX had some diesels (6) I thank that were so ulgy the crews wouldn't even ride in them, and always made them be second engine so they woiuld not have to. I have forgotten who made the real engines nor who made a model. some where stored away I have a model of one and the front looks like a pug nose dog,and that still is the uglist diesel ever made, it even made the Edsel car look good. Maybe someone will  remember it. 

[Gandy Dancer]

The California Zephyr always used conventional equipment.

This might be a terminology issue with the word conventional, but the CZ used streamlined stainless steel lightweights of new designs specifically for that train.  As far a I know the only car it ever carried that was not from that design set, was a the pass-through PRR sleeper.

I think Charlie (renegade) is right.  I think that "Zodiac Thriller" means the original articulated  Zephyr (which eventually became the "Pioneer Zephyr") or its east coast mirror copy the "Yankee Flyer".

[Dayliner]

There's no such thing as an ugly diesel, some just have more, er, "character" than others.  And I'll admit that the CF7 and CP's rebuilt RS3s have "character" to spare.

[Train 284]

The GE U boats I hate. But unlike a lot of people here, I really do like the BL-2.  

[Dave-the-Train]

I love diesels but the DL-109 gets my vote for it's hideous looks.

It's called the"Centeped"AND GOD is it uly!! It's the only distuging thing called after a nasty bug!! Any questions???? Next thing after that is the Kruasse -Maffet's!!

QUESTION:-

Aren't you mixing up the Alco 6 Axle streamline beast (that P1K make a model of) with the Baldwin previously mentioned in this thread? 

Does anyone make a model of the Baldwins?

[snagletooth]

I love diesels but the DL-109 gets my vote for it's hideous looks.

It's called the"Centeped"AND GOD is it uly!! It's the only distuging thing called after a nasty bug!! Any questions???? Next thing after that is the Kruasse -Maffet's!!

[Anonymous]

I love diesels but the DL-109 gets my vote for it's hideous looks.

[ddgmaker]

Ingalls Shipyard made 1 engine, Gulf Mobile&Ohio ended up with it,,by far the MOST ugly...

[nscaler711]

I have to agree with some of you but i think the P42 is just to Beautiful to be owned by Amtrak.

Um lets see how bout DD35's all Booster units most GE locomotives

All RS units and all European locos.

Lee i agree with the Cat thing. but i like EMDs locos best especially Modern ones (no SD60M with third window )

[wm3798]

I think the BL-2 is a thing of timeless beauty!!

Especially since you can still go see one working in revenue service...

BL-2 Video 

My vote goes to those modern Big Boxes that are virtually indistinguishable from each other.  For second generation, I'll vote for anything with a cat painted on it.  Horrible, absolutely horrible.

Lee 

[Grand Trunk Railway]

RS-1 were ugly. Those Rio Grande /Southern Pacific Krauss-Maffei German locomotives and for 3rd-Gen. hands down-GE AC4400CW and all versions are just horrible.(really anything by GE!).

Ian

[Newyorkcentralfan]

The California Zephyr always used conventional equipment.

 

I think he is refering to the original articulated streamliner.

 

 

Hello I am new here and I will saythat the ugliest engine in general is the California Zepher

There was never an engine called the California Zephyr. This was the name of several passenger trains (full trains) that ran from San Fransisco to Chicago, via Denver.

[green_elite_cab]

The BQ23-7? Ah yes... the Aegis Class Cruiser!

See the similarities?

This would probably get my vote for second... or it would tie with that "RS-3" you have there...

Apparently, once CSX got them they kept them in operation into the late 90's.

-Brandon

 

Nice....  I'll have to remember that one. 

 but yeah, that RS3 has my vote.   Initially, i figured all diesels have their charms, even if they are boxy, rusty, and ancient, but the way they did the windows on that RS3, and how they left the top of the round roof, its just weird.

[riverotter1948]

EMD SD-50 gets my vote for least aesthetic -- it's just a long rectangular box with a cab and a nose. B-o-r-i-n-g. Maybe that doesn't qualify as ugly, but it's an utterly mediocre and forgettable design. To me that's worse than ugly.

 P.S. To put that assessment in perspective, I really like the BL-2. I own three of them. (My wife says that from the front they look like a sad puppy dog.)

[METRO]

No comment.....

 Did anybody mention the BQ23-7?

 

The Canadian Pacific had some downright wierd looking engines, their RS3Ms were absolute buchery (notice they even cut the multimark in half!) but by no means was this their only oddball:

The FM Trainmaster "Ram Heads"

 

The SD10 (chopped nose hunched back SD7)

 

The M640 (biggest Alco CP owned, check out the weird radiator area)

 

Not all are completely ugly but wierd none the less, gotta love quirky railroads.

 

Cheers!

~METRO 

 

[Anonymous]

Hello I am new here and I will saythat the ugliest engine in general is the California Zepher

There was never an engine called the California Zephyr. This was the name of several passenger trains (full trains) that ran from San Fransisco to Chicago, via Denver.

I think he is refering to the original articulated streamliner.

[jims trains]

I have always considered the VR double ended GM locos ugly. Not when seen by themselves, but when connected to a train because it looks like the cab that should be facing forward is facing the carriages. And then if double heading it looks like they don't know which way they are going.

I always thought the VR RT 'Rail Tractor' was a strange beast. For those who have never heard of it, imagine a short 2 axle flat car, with a tractor engine, and an oversized cab. Then, to make it stand out even more paint it bright yellow! But despite being ugly, 54 of them were built, and many continue to survive where more 'beautiful' deisels have been scrapped or sold to tourist railways.

For a picture, go to http://home.waterfront.net.au/~sem/locos.htm#RT  

For US deisels, the BL has to be top of the list for me. Followed closely by the Baldwin DT6-6-2000 which the EJ&E had, which looks like a GE44 Tonner on steroids. Ulgy, but still very interesting none the less - strangely compelling!

 Go to railpictures.net and select the Baldwin DT6-6-2000 from Locomotive type list to see a photo or two.

 

 James Stanford 

 

[Renegade1c]

Hello I am new here and I will saythat the ugliest engine in general is the California Zepher

There was never an engine called the California Zephyr. This was the name of several passenger trains (full trains) that ran from San Fransisco to Chicago, via Denver.

[snagletooth]

No comment.....

 Did anybody mention the BQ23-7?

 

The BQ23-7? Ah yes... the Aegis Class Cruiser!

See the similarities?

This would probably get my vote for second... or it would tie with that "RS-3" you have there...

Apparently, once CSX got them they kept them in operation into the late 90's.

-Brandon

 

Yea, I understand it was so technically advanced it could wipe out an entire fleet of cabooses in the State of Florida in one strike!

[jackmp294]

I would agree with most with it the BL-2 being the ugliest, but then most of the CF7's are in second place, and the ALCO C-855. But what about the nose on those MK5000. That barks at the moon. But they did sound good with that CAT power. Jackmp294

[Hudson]

Definitely the Baldwin "Babyface". First gen.

 

[hogheadmt]

 I'd have to say the BL-2 is the ugliest. (I keep thinkng there's gotta be an engine under that (front) "hood".)  The GE U50 is second in line....makes me think of a Great Lakes ore boat on wheels.

[bpickering]

Definately has to be the GE U50C. Only a mother could love that and since it doesn't have one....

What? The U50C doesn't have anything on the Alco C-855.

NE Railfan picture

I want one, though. Darn hard to find, even in brass. 

[myred02]

No comment.....

 Did anybody mention the BQ23-7?

 

The BQ23-7? Ah yes... the Aegis Class Cruiser!

See the similarities?

This would probably get my vote for second... or it would tie with that "RS-3" you have there...

Apparently, once CSX got them they kept them in operation into the late 90's.

-Brandon

 

[Gandy Dancer]

No comment.....

photo of RS-3 rebuld deleted. 

The ultimate "hang dog" look?  A look the Chrystler corporation is trying to replicate on their vehicles so no one will call them cute.  Of course they don't seem to realize that "not cute" is usually closer to "ugly" than it is to "mean" or "cool".

What's also of interest is that strange box around the exhaust stack in the turbo-area.

I interpreted it as some sort of winterization feature.

[Paul3]

Remember folks, that an RS-1 has more of a square profile with riveted construction, and the cab has a little lip overhang on the cab ends.  The fuel tank is under the cab and the battery boxes are under the frame.

An RS-2 also has the below-cab fuel tank and underframe batteries, but is of welded construction.  It has a much more rounded profile at the corners and no roof overhang on the cab ends.

The RS-3 looks like an RS-2 (welded, rounded, no overhang), but has above the frame battery boxes, and has a below the frame fuel tank.

This makes CPRail #8460 a chop-nose RS-3 (note the battery boxes next to the nose), sort of like an anti-Hammerhead.  What's also of interest is that strange box around the exhaust stack in the turbo-area.

BTW, CP wasn't the only one to do this to an RS-3.  I think Alaska RR did something similar.

Paul A. Cutler III
************
Weather Or No Go New Haven
************

[Heartland Division CB&Q]

On another thread, forum members were mentioning how they disliked visitors calling their models "cute".

A model of one of several prototypes in this thread would be a potential cure for that situation.   

[Dave-the-Train]

No comment.....

 Did anybody mention the BQ23-7?

Got to comment on this one!  (Just so we get another look at it! )

That's not ugly... it's just wearing flip-up shades over specs!

Where can I get one?

...and are any of the BQ23-7s still available?

[Cannoli]

No comment.....

 Did anybody mention the BQ23-7?

 

That is the ugliest mod I've ever seen, is it a modified RS1? It's so ugly it almost looks good!

Looks like it started out life as an RS3 to me. I can't find any further info on this particular loco but the # previous in the series, 8459, is an RS3 at least it was accordign to this. 

As for the BQ23-7, I forgot about that one, had a Bachman model very early into my model railroading life. Here's a photo of one painted in CSX livery.

 

[accord1959]

No comment.....

 Did anybody mention the BQ23-7?

 

That is the ugliest mod I've ever seen, is it a modified RS1? It's so ugly it almost looks good!

[steemtrayn]

No comment.....

 Did anybody mention the BQ23-7?

 

[accord1959]

Definately has to be the GE U50C. Only a mother could love that and since it doesn't have one....

[Cannoli]

I just did a search on Google for pics of  U50, I had never seen one until today. Now that I have, it defiantely gets my vote as ugly! I had previously mentioned that I'm not a fan of the SD70's and ES44's, but they are much better looking than the U50, that thing is a brute!

[tomikawaTT]

The absolute plug-ugliest diesel-engined locomotive of all time was not a production unit.  It was an unsanctified marriage of a geared locomotive chassis and a high-capacity diesel engine (possibly from a piece of construction machinery) wrapped in corrugated sheet iron reminiscent of a dirt farmer's chicken house.  Some Pacific Coast logging operation inflicted it on the unsuspecting forest.

Don't remember where I saw this thing, and don't have a specific reference - just the memory of a black-and-white photo that still sticks (sideways) in my aesthetic intake chute.

The 4 and 5 ton 4-wheel industrial tram locos used by the Kiso Forest Railway are a distant second.

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)

[myred02]

To anyone who said the BL-2............you KNOW you'd be fascinated if you saw a real one in- person running today.

Not only have I seen one running in person, but I also took a cab ride in one! Sure it's ugly, but it's got class. Plus, it just sounds cool (thanks to a leaky ol' EMD 567B prime mover).

That's me with my arm out the conductor's side window.

As for the ugliest diesel, I'll vote for the U50. It's big, it's powerful, and it's ugly.

-Brandon

[jblackwelljr]

Dave,

Thanks for starting this thread. I had never heard of BL2 or Ingalls. I reckon the BL2 gets my vote. That is ugly!!! Of course that paint scheme enhances the ugliness. Thanks for sharing that one.
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/monon35.jpg

One word comes to mind on that Monon #35.....platypus

[Gandy Dancer]

Now, if you want a really ugly engine, think back to pre-WWII. Santa Fe's orginal road passnger diesels were units 1 and 1A. They were box cabs built by EMC and hauled the original Super Chief with heavyweight cars. Santa Fe shops abominated the units with some incredibly ugly creations. Other re-builds followed, but the 1938 rebuilt #1 resulted in a rarely attained level of ugliness. They raised the cab to a high level and installed curved sheet metal across the nose. 

I have to agree there.  I had considered that loco for the ugliest, BUT because it was a one-of-a-kind I discounted it.  If one considers the single unit abominations that the loco shops came up with they would probably win all the prizes. Note that three of METROs selections are one-offs.  The CF7 is a home built, but they made bunches of them so I think that is a valid "vote" for ugly.  Ditto for the GP9M built in Paducah.

[cwclark]

I'd have to say the Alco RS low nose series of diesels were the ugliest diesels.

[Cannoli]

I think the only locos I'd call ugly are the current crop of modern units from GE and EMD. They are just to common place and very similar in looks to me, then again, I was never a wide nose fan. The current SD70's and ES40's don't do much for me. I prefer the slightly older "modern" loco's such as the C40-8. As for the BL2, it's so different that I love it! My layout currently rosters two of them.

[METRO]

Alright here's my update:

First Generation:

Winner: Reading's experimental Baldwin #60

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/rdg60s.jpg

Runner Up: Frisco's RS2M 

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/slsf/slsf553.jpg

 

Second Generation:

Winner: SOO's SD40B

http://www.sooline.org/publications/drawings/locomotives/SD40_SD402/6450.gif

Runner Up: The SDP-45

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nw/nw6668ags.jpg

 

Third Generation:

Winner: Long Island's DE30

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/li/li418l.jpg

Runner Up: Utah Railway's (by way of SP) MK5000C

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-u/utah5005cqc.jpg

 

Special Category, So Ugly They're Cool:

Winner: Alco RSD15 High Hood

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/pc/pc6816ags.jpg

Runner Up: CP's FM Trainmaster Ram-Heads

http://members.shaw.ca/cprclc1/TMPics/CP8901_Nelson_Oct7-1957.jpg

 

Cheers!

~METRO 

 

[Heartland Division CB&Q]

Why is everyone picking on BL2's?  They are much more stylish than the more common GP7's and GP9's.  Now had GM installed Cadillac styled tail fins, you'd have a valid compalint.  However, as built, BL2's aren't bad looking in my opinion.

Now, if you want a really ugly engine, think back to pre-WWII. Santa Fe's orginal road passnger diesels were units 1 and 1A. They were box cabs built by EMC and hauled the original Super Chief with heavyweight cars. Santa Fe shops abominated the units with some incredibly ugly creations. Other re-builds followed, but the 1938 rebuilt #1 resulted in a rarely attained level of ugliness. They raised the cab to a high level and installed curved sheet metal across the nose. Its lead truck was changed from 2 axle to six axle.  For a period of time the rear 2 axle truck was retained. They applied the war bonnet paint scheme to the unit. It was quite a sight.  Even with a war bonnet, it was ugly looking.

More recently (1970's and 1980's), some of the railroad shop's made yard slug units from old road diesels.  You could enter one of those slugs in the ugly contest and have a potential winner.     

[Anonymous]

The GE 44 tonner gets my vote. Reminds me of the Pushme-Pullyou from the original Dr. Dolittle.

 

Here's a pushme-pullyou that lived a long life. Some people flock to take a ride in it. Yecchh.

Type 5, First Gen. UK, made by English Electric or the old Vulcan Works.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:40142_-_edinburgh_-_sep_1977.jpg

I can take the BL-2, ALCOs are the closest thing to a smokey steam engine I've got left and GeePs -- well. They just work.

 If that Brit diesel isn't bad enough I'm sure there's a photo of an old Soviet diesel (or Vodka-powered) that would do the trick...

:)

Ignatius 

 

[AntonioFP45]

Wow! Haven't seen this thread in a while but here's my update:

Those "Green goat" things:  ULTRA, MEGA YEECH! 

Also agree with the sentiments regarding the 3-piece windshielded SD60s. The teardrop "cowl" style windshields were a big improvement.

CF7- Yep, looks like a mutated LEGO cluster.

Now just a minute! Who said U50 AND U-Boats???? Ugly?   Come on now.....I've always felt that these locomotives looked like they were "solid muscle".  Those U-Boats had, as described, that "Dick Tracy" pug face that connoted "Tough and No nonsense" (especially at grade crossings collisions!) 

O.K, back to ripping on diesels!

[Gandy Dancer]

5. All alcos they dont look right to me

That seems a strange statement since the Alco's were so diverse from the most boxy to the most streamlined.  It also seems you would mention Alco and not Baldwin, FM or Plymouth, etc., now there were some strange looking locos.

Of course making a list is not specifying the ugliest. 

[Cheese]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Fergmiester

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

Never was much of a fan of GP30s (but those are still ok), GP50Ls and 3 window SD60Ms.

With a face only a mother could love

Fergie

The high hood GP30's look "cool" (IMHO)

 

I agree,

My local shortline, the Carolina Southern, has a High Hood GP30. It was a Southern unit, and when it was bought for the Wacamaw Coast Line (now part of Carolina Southern), it was left in the Southern scheme, but the words were painted over. Not well though, as you can still see them.

When bought by the Carolina Southern the Wacamaw Coast Line emblem on the front of the hoods were painted over, but, as with the Southern lettering, you can still see them.

Its not my favorite unit on the CS, but its close.

Cheese

[joseph2]

Amtrak #59 was a European import I saw in an Indiana scrapyard. It may have been a turbine,looks like a beetle.   Joe

[SD60M]

These are the loco's i cant stand. The list is long but there were so many ugly engines!

1. U50

2. BL2

3. CF7

4. GP50L L is for looks really wierd!

5. All alcos they dont look right to me

6.F40PH

7. 3 window SD60M's but the 2 windows look awsome

8. Dash-9's and AC4400CW's i have seen way to many and i cant stand them!

[CPRail modeler]

My opinion:

1st: CF7

2nd: all 1930's/1940's streamlined attempts

3rd: BL2

4th: Railpower Green Goats

5th: any GE built before the AC4400CW

[caldreamer]

The uglist diesel of all time (ALL) generations has to be the BL1 & BL2's by EMD. It was the transition diesel from cab to hood units.

[accord1959]

CF-7 definately, The Alco C424 is real misfit and horrible to run, that gets my vote. I like almost all others including my favorites, the GP30, I have 5 of them for my future short line. The SD60M 3 window a favorite, and the BL-2 has some of the 50's automobile styling, cool.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tebee

Her's a link with a picture of the 4-s . Was this model of it ever produced ?

http://personal.pitnet.net/jasond/ruloco01.htm

The RSD4 Hammerhead is teetering on the edge of being pushed to Silver Medal.
MAN! That is UGLY [:D] Looks like an F unit that got squeezed between a couple of U50Ds. First time I've seen a Pic.
Think I'll have to go for a pint to recover. [;)]

Have a nice day all[:p]

[ericmanke]

While the BL2s were not pretty, at least they were streamlined. The museum in Green Bay has them, and they look better in person than in pictures. My 1st generation choice is the MRS1s. What were those guys thinking?
2nd Generation U50Ds.
3rd generation: Those railpower switchers, all of them, end, centercab, and no cab.
They look terribly disproportionate.

[Anonymous]

Dave,

Thanks for starting this thread. I had never heard of BL2 or Ingalls. I reckon the BL2 gets my vote. That is ugly!!! Of course that paint scheme enhances the ugliness. Thanks for sharing that one.
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/monon35.jpg

I have always considered the VR double ended GM locos ugly. Not when seen by themselves, but when connected to a train because it looks like the cab that should be facing forward is facing the carriages. And then if double heading it looks like they don't know which way they are going.

I was looking for a photo, but could not find one. However, you can imagine. Take the GM bulldog (one of the most attractive locos ever built) but make the cab on both ends the same. A pushmepulyu monster.

[tebee]

Her's a link with a picture of the 4-s . Was this model of it ever produced ?

http://personal.pitnet.net/jasond/ruloco01.htm

[jfallon]

Ingalls 4-S was GM&O #1900, I've seen a photo in a book, couldn't find one at rr-fallenflags. Definite winner for 1st gen ugly, along with UP m-10000 streamliner. Second gen, CF7's look like the cab is too big for the locomotive. Alco made some narrow gauge shovel-noses for White Pass & Yukon that are runner ups. All third gen diesels look like they were pieced together by the model makers from the original Star Wars movies.

[AltonFan]

1st Generation: Any pre-shark Baldwin cab unit.
2nd Generation: The GP-30
3rd Generation: they all look alike to me...

[SD40-2W]

Hi group,

What about GMD1 ?

SD

[Medina1128]

The GE 44 tonner gets my vote. Reminds me of the Pushme-Pullyou from the original Dr. Dolittle.

[Anonymous]

Hello I am new here and I will saythat the ugliest engine in general is the California Zepher

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by twinzephyr

The Ingalls 4-S is usually a good candidate for the ugly list.

That's the company that switched from making ships after WW2! I don't know how many designs they built... but their first was a thing they called a "turret cab" that I tried to describe in a thread about the SP and Rio Grande German Hydraulics a week or two ago.
Does anyone one havemore information and/or pics of them or a link...the Ingalls that is... Then agains I like the KMs as well...

Thanks everyone for contributing to this thread[:D][:D][:D]... keep it going if you will[8D]

[TwinZephyr]

The Ingalls 4-S is usually a good candidate for the ugly list.

[jkroft]

To anyone who said the BL-2............you KNOW you'd be fascinated if you saw a real one in- person running today.

[jeffrey-wimberly]

DL-109 WOOF!
GE U BOAT SERIES
ALL FAIRBANKS MORSE
EMD GP30 The ratio of height between nose and cab is just wrong! It looks like a roller-skating hippo tripped and fell on it. It ain't pretty.
ALCO FA1 Cheap rip-off of the successful EMD F series.
Aero-train definetly. It looks like 59 Buick smashed down onto a bus.
F40PH alright I guess, but who designed the front of it! YUCK!

[vsmith]

All the "Toolbox on Wheels" models -or- everything built after the PA1

[Anonymous]

1st gen, BL2
2nd gen, any high hood N&W GE
3rd gen, any GEVO unit

[Anonymous]

1st generation; aerotrains, 2nd; u30cg.fp-45,turbotrain,all 3rd generation stuff just lacks any character

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jpmorrison

what do i win???!!! it's a brass by omi in ho

Cudos. [:D][:D][:D]

Is it still available? Where?

[emdgp92]

The BL2s are definately ugly. What was EMD thinking? I'm surprised nobody mentioned the goofy C&NW "Crandall Cab" E units, or Amtrak's current GE diesels.

[jpmorrison]

what do i win???!!! it's a brass by omi in ho

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jpmorrison




cnw rsd5 hammer head

[:D] I think that you win until someone finds something worse...

Why did they do that????? Which way is the front?

Did the model come like that or did you kitbash it? Is it H0 or N? Looks very good... and CNW what more could we ask?

[jpmorrison]

cnw rsd5 hammer head

[Anonymous]

jpmorrison...
cnw rsd5 hammer head??? What's that?

No one go for the Baldwin re-engines?

[bwftex]

I'm not much of a diesel fan but I like GP30s, and CF7s. They might be ugly but at least have a little caracter. Few diesels do. F units while not bad looking are so common that they are generic. The Trainmaster however is the most bland looking uninteresting thing going. Bruce

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

Never was much of a fan of GP30s (but those are still ok), GP50Ls and 3 window SD60Ms. Also anything that's not American or Canadian, sorry, can't stand foreign railroads!

[brothaslide]

It looks like the BL2 and the DL-109 seem to be the ugly winners.

I agree as well - I think both engines are ugly.

[Anonymous]

All diesels, hell all trains, are beautiful. I'll fight over this one! ;) Fred

[PennsyHoosier]

I vote BL2



But for whatever reason, I love the. [:I]

[GAPPLEG]

1. The BL-2
2. Got to agree the CF-7 is ugglllyyy. But I bought one anyway.
3. EMD's in general. GE rules.

[cwclark]

I've always thought that the Fairbanks-Morse diesels were the ugliest with Alco RS series and their DL-109's a very close second...

[Pruitt]

ALL OF THEM!!!

[jpmorrison]

cnw rsd5 hammer head wish i had a pic

jeff

[wctransfer]

These are the ugliest units in my opinion.

1st: The BL2, EMD had some magic brownies when that thing was made.
2nd:ANY Baldwin/Fairbanks-Morse (except the SHarks)
3rd: CF7's


Ugliest engines from this time, or 2nd Generation.

C32-8
Green Goats
C40-8CM (but i like them)

Alec

[Darth Santa Fe]

I used to think high nosed diesels were ugly, but they kind of grow on you.

I also didn't used to like the SD40-2, because the walkways extended so much farther than the rest of the engine, but again, it kind of grows on you.[:D]

[Anonymous]

I think that one of the ugliest locos IN MY OPINION is the:
SD60M three window version That third window makes it look so *** ugly. Its funny because the two window versions and the SD70Ms are beautiful to me. I have never bought any of the SD60M three window models because of that reason.

[bogp40]

BL2 of course. Let's not forget the Autotrain or the C&O turbine. Does gas count?
Bob K.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by 1shado1

QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35

SORRY! I guess I charecterize diesels and electrics together...

Don't feel bad. I do the same thing with electrics and broccoli.[:D]

Jeff

You eat electrics? [;)]

[Texas Zepher]

There is a difference between utilitarian and ugly. A box on wheels is utilitarian - but something that was designed NOT to be a box on wheels...... So not counting the really early one-of-a-kind gross things like UP M-10001 and SF #1.

QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45
Diesels 1st generation: BL2 takes 1st place

[#ditto] no contest.

Diesels 2nd generation: There are bunchs but the U-50-C is real high up there.

Modern - once again mostly utilitarian rather than ugly like the SD70 with its square hunch back.....But now that I think about it, the GEnesis P42 reminds me of a tomato hook worm. Gross.

[R. T. POTEET]

Form Follows Function!!!Diesels aren't supposed to be beautiful; they're supposed to get the job done and they do that very well.

There are exceptions, of course, but put FM in front of anything and the next word out of my mouth is going to be "yuck!" - but, you know what? if I were to elect to do a transition era layout I would probably have a few FMs on the line because my pike would be one that bought about anything they could get their hands on in that era. I will go along with METRO, however; wide-nosed Geeps have the same esthetics as a bowl of yogurt or a Chrysler Motors automobile.

[aloco]

Anything with sharp edges, flat cab roof, etc. Square is ugly.

[youngengineer]

gotta say the cleburne rebuild cf-7, take a f-7, (one of the best diesels) and turn it into well hmmm, something just horrible. first generation has to be bl-2 what exactly are those angled pieces behind the cab for, and third generation, sd70ace what the heck did they do to the nose, beautiful angles that now have a box stuck on the front end, no style grace nothing.

[Anonymous]

This is much too loaded a question for me to answer but my fiance says that Alco PA-1 units look like buses. LOL! That is her opinion, not mine. :)

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el857age.jpg

[Anonymous]

Any EMD "E" or "F" series
Geeps Rule !

[tomikawaTT]

I nominate the JNR DE10 class B-C diesel-hydraulic, the only asymmetric Japanese diesel. Compared to the center-cab types (DD13 and DD51) the DE10 looks clumsy.

Google "JNR DE10 locomotive" for a photo (top right of second group.) Tried to post a link, but it didn't work.

Chuck

[SOU Fan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Fergmiester

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

Never was much of a fan of GP30s (but those are still ok), GP50Ls and 3 window SD60Ms.

With a face only a mother could love[xx(]

Fergie

The high hood GP30's look "cool" (IMHO)

[Fergmiester]

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

Never was much of a fan of GP30s (but those are still ok), GP50Ls and 3 window SD60Ms.

With a face only a mother could love[xx(]

Fergie

[METRO]

First Generation: Baldwin S12 (hey guys i know, lets take a beautiful locomotive, the VO-1000, and make it loook like a it got dropped on it's head as a child!)

Seccond Generation: GP40 (anyone ever think this one looked like the GP38-2's looser brother?)

Third Generation: GP60M (Nothing says awkward like a GP with a widecab)

Cheers!
METRO

[mustanggt]

1st gen- BL2 or the Alco DL109- looks like an E unit with an even steeper slanted nose and a 3 peice windshield.
2nd gen- either those VIA LRC's or any Amtrak turboliner.
3rd gen- they're all pretty good looking, with the exception of the MPI MP36- looks like an extended, smoother F59PHI.

[james saunders]

first gen : BL2 or DL locomotives

second gen: GP9m Chop (does that count)

third gen: the newest UP centre cab switcher

[AntonioFP45]

Diesels 1st generation: BL2 takes 1st place with the Kraus Maffei's in the #2 spot.

Diesels 2nd generation: SW1500.. ......yuck!

Diesels 3rd generation: Hmmmm. Nope, sorry. They all look "cool" to me.

[1shado1]

QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35

SORRY! I guess I charecterize diesels and electrics together...

Don't feel bad. I do the same thing with electrics and broccoli.[:D]

Jeff

[coborn35]

SORRY! I guess I charecterize diesels and electrics together...

[1shado1]

QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35

Dont care for the electrics.

Just a little off topic?

[coborn35]

Dont care for the electrics.

[1shado1]

EMD BL-2 (and BL-1)
First generation (I think)

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/monon35.jpg

[jeffrey-wimberly]

GE U30

[Anonymous]

Never was much of a fan of GP30s (but those are still ok), GP50Ls and 3 window SD60Ms.